"Logan" trailer released

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undeadsuitor said:
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undeadsuitor said:
The Philistine said:
So the X-men movie franchise has boiled down to Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart.
If they find Ian McKellen along the way it would be the perfect movie
Than again all 3 were in X-Men 3 Last Stand.....

Why is that movie bad again?
A rushed plot. It's what happens when you try to fit the "phoenix saga" into a 2 hour movie with 7 other subplots. They bit off more than they could chew, with a new weaker director and several real life interventions that hindered the story and production.

Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen's renditions of Xavier and magneto were and still are genre defining and Hugh Jackman is RDJ levels of "this actor is that character". They weren't what killed x-men United they're what kept it afloat until the end
I can totally Agree with Patrick And Ian and how perfectly casted their roles were.

I don't fully agree with Hugh Jackman being Wolverine, not that he is bad, I just think there is other actors that could have done Wolverine much better justice. Perhaps a younger Clint Eastwood?

 

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undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
The Philistine said:
So the X-men movie franchise has boiled down to Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart.
If they find Ian McKellen along the way it would be the perfect movie
Than again all 3 were in X-Men 3 Last Stand.....

Why is that movie bad again?
A rushed plot. It's what happens when you try to fit the "phoenix saga" into a 2 hour movie with 7 other subplots. They bit off more than they could chew, with a new weaker director and several real life interventions that hindered the story and production.

Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen's renditions of Xavier and magneto were and still are genre defining and Hugh Jackman is RDJ levels of "this actor is that character". They weren't what killed x-men United they're what kept it afloat until the end
I can totally Agree with Patrick And Ian and how perfectly casted their roles were.

I don't fully agree with Hugh Jackman being Wolverine, not that he is bad, I just think there is other actors that could have done Wolverine much better justice. Perhaps a younger Clint Eastwood?

How exactly would a younger Clint Eastwood play wolverine? We have yet to invent time travel
Just saying, if Eastwood was still in his youth he would have been even more perfect as Wolverine.
 

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Aside from leaning a bit too much towards reveal the story it was a good trailer.

maninahat said:
Is the Claw going to be the bad guy? I think the Claw is going to be the bad guy. I guess they can't use him for a Black Panther origin story now.[/img]
Ulysses Klaw? Nah he's already been in Age of Ultron. I assume you're referencing the dude with the robot hand. From what I've read he's probably one of the Reavers who the baddies in this.

Samtemdo8 said:
I don't fully agree with Hugh Jackman being Wolverine, not that he is bad, I just think there is other actors that could have done Wolverine much better justice. Perhaps a younger Clint Eastwood?
I remember a hypothetical thread on an x-men forum about a dream cast for an X-men film made in the late 70s early 80s. Clint Eastwood was universally agreed upon for Wolverine. There were some neat suggestions. Like Harrison Ford as Cyclops and Adam West as Arcade.
 

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maninahat said:
Is the Claw going to be the bad guy? I think the Claw is going to be the bad guy. I guess they can't use him for a Black Panther origin story now.

People are getting The Last of Us vibes. I'm getting these vibes:

Logan:Get offa my lawn
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
The Philistine said:
So the X-men movie franchise has boiled down to Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart.
If they find Ian McKellen along the way it would be the perfect movie
Than again all 3 were in X-Men 3 Last Stand.....

Why is that movie bad again?
Two words...Brett Ratner.
 

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I'm actually a bit dissappointed this is going to be a superhero movie if I'm honest.

I would have really liked a character driven movie featuring Wolverine and Xavier driving across the country with Laura completly devoid of action scenes except for maybe one at the end.
 

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Kenbo Slice said:
Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
The Philistine said:
So the X-men movie franchise has boiled down to Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart.
If they find Ian McKellen along the way it would be the perfect movie
Than again all 3 were in X-Men 3 Last Stand.....

Why is that movie bad again?
Two words...Brett Ratner.
He directed the Hercules movie with Dwayne the Rock Johnson.....and I like that movie:


And also Bryan Singer these days is not all that good either. I HATED the First Class trilogy of X-men movies (First Class, Days of Future Pass, and Apocalypse)

First Class I hated the most but why I hate all of them is that none of them feels like X-Men, none of them, the casting felt cheap like all the actors are cheaper replacements to the likes of Patrick Stewert, yes even the guy that played Magneto whatever his name is, oh yeah Michael Fassbender.

The look and feel of the films also does not feel like X-Men and that is quite the accomplishment because its even less X-Men-y than the original Trilogy of Moives, yes including Brett Ratner's Last Stand.

Given the choice I rather watch Last Stand than any of the movies in the First Class Trilogy.

Honestly the First Class Trilogy is to X-Men what Amazing Spiderman was to Raimi Spiderman, and Fant4stic was to the 2000s Fantastic Four.

Bryan Singer needs to go back making more movies like the Usual Suspects.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
And also Bryan Singer these days is not all that good either. I HATED the First Class trilogy of X-men movies (First Class, Days of Future Pass, and Apocalypse)
First Class has Kevin Bacon as Sebastian Shaw though. He had some really cool scenes, I love his power. Also Quicksilver was amusing in the other two.


And let's be serious, Fassbender and McAvoy did a tremendous job as Magneto and Xavier.

They had some pretty good casting for Cyclops, Jean Grey, and Nightcrawler in Apocalypse. Shame the movie is pretty meh.
 

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WolfThomas said:
Aside from leaning a bit too much towards reveal the story it was a good trailer.

maninahat said:
Is the Claw going to be the bad guy? I think the Claw is going to be the bad guy. I guess they can't use him for a Black Panther origin story now.[/img]
Ulysses Klaw? Nah he's already been in Age of Ultron. I assume you're referencing the dude with the robot hand. From what I've read he's probably one of the Reavers who the baddies in this.
Ah, my mistake. I never bothered watching Age of Ultron after the last Avengers film.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Kenbo Slice said:
Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
The Philistine said:
So the X-men movie franchise has boiled down to Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart.
If they find Ian McKellen along the way it would be the perfect movie
Than again all 3 were in X-Men 3 Last Stand.....

Why is that movie bad again?
Two words...Brett Ratner.
He directed the Hercules movie with Dwayne the Rock Johnson.....and I like that movie:


And also Bryan Singer these days is not all that good either. I HATED the First Class trilogy of X-men movies (First Class, Days of Future Pass, and Apocalypse)

First Class I hated the most but why I hate all of them is that none of them feels like X-Men, none of them, the casting felt cheap like all the actors are cheaper replacements to the likes of Patrick Stewert, yes even the guy that played Magneto whatever his name is, oh yeah Michael Fassbender.

The look and feel of the films also does not feel like X-Men and that is quite the accomplishment because its even less X-Men-y than the original Trilogy of Moives, yes including Brett Ratner's Last Stand.

Given the choice I rather watch Last Stand than any of the movies in the First Class Trilogy.

Honestly the First Class Trilogy is to X-Men what Amazing Spiderman was to Raimi Spiderman, and Fant4stic was to the 2000s Fantastic Four.

Bryan Singer needs to go back making more movies like the Usual Suspects.
One decent movie made 10 years after the fact doesn't forgive what he did.
 

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Wow, that's actually a good-looking trailer. Looks nothing like your average (MCU) superhero bonanza, though the movie itself will have some boxes checked no matter what.

Samtemdo8 said:
The look and feel of the films also does not feel like X-Men and that is quite the accomplishment because it's even less X-Men-y than the original Trilogy of Movies, yes including Brett Ratner's Last Stand.

Given the choice I rather watch Last Stand than any of the movies in the First Class Trilogy.
Could you elaborate on that? Especially the part I bolded. I frankly don't really understand that statement.
 

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This is the first trailer since the Legend of Korra season 3 trailer that got me legitimately excited to see something. I really, really hope this movie can be as good as that trailer makes it seem. We've yet to see a superhero movie with this kind of tone: morose, melancholic, downbeat and smaller in scale. Yeah, DC's dabbled with uberserious grimdark its fair share, but not in a Johnny Cash singing "Hurt" kind of way. It's been more "grr, grr look how serious and angry and heavy and dark and totally mature we are all the time!" And if the movie can be that good, what a way for Hugh Jackman to bow out as Wolverine. Barring Christopher Reeves over 20 years prior, he was basically the first "he's the guy!" superhero casting choice: he was before Tobey Maguire, before Robert Downey Jr., before Chris Evans. It's only fitting he should also be the first one to bow out by making a genuinely emotional "farewell" superhero film.

This is the kind of stuff I would want superhero movies to feel like for a change. I know this is just a trailer, but goddamn it's that good! It feels like there's genuine stakes, that things have really changed, that the heroes haven't been able to save the world. That the characters can *gasp* actually die! Again, if this movie is like the trailer makes it seem both in terms of tone and quality, it'll reduce the MCU in my eyes to action figures merely bumping against each other for good. That's how Civil War definitely felt like.
 

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McElroy said:
Wow, that's actually a good-looking trailer. Looks nothing like your average (MCU) superhero bonanza, though the movie itself will have some boxes checked no matter what.

Samtemdo8 said:
The look and feel of the films also does not feel like X-Men and that is quite the accomplishment because it's even less X-Men-y than the original Trilogy of Movies, yes including Brett Ratner's Last Stand.

Given the choice I rather watch Last Stand than any of the movies in the First Class Trilogy.
Could you elaborate on that? Especially the part I bolded. I frankly don't really understand that statement.
Alright here is the point. The original 3 X-men movies were criticized for not having its aesthetics faithful to the Comic Books, like none of the heroes look like this:


But in the original 3 films they all look like this:


But what made the movies still retain the feel of X-Men was the increadibly steller casting for the time, Despite the young Clint Eastword preference Hugh Jackmen sold that he was Wolverine, Patrick Stewert and Ian Mckellen sold that they were Prof. X and Magneto, Cyclops and Storm was also nicely casted. Even the Beast was a better actor and had better make up job.

But the First Class Trilogy of Movies further deviated from the aesthetics and roots of X-Men even more that its almost unrecognizable as X-Men for me I mean look at this image and tell me if this is even the same X-men we know from the comics:



And especially looking at that first class poster, it just looks so cheap compared to the prior films.
 

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Kenbo Slice said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Kenbo Slice said:
Samtemdo8 said:
undeadsuitor said:
The Philistine said:
So the X-men movie franchise has boiled down to Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart.
If they find Ian McKellen along the way it would be the perfect movie
Than again all 3 were in X-Men 3 Last Stand.....

Why is that movie bad again?
Two words...Brett Ratner.
He directed the Hercules movie with Dwayne the Rock Johnson.....and I like that movie:


And also Bryan Singer these days is not all that good either. I HATED the First Class trilogy of X-men movies (First Class, Days of Future Pass, and Apocalypse)

First Class I hated the most but why I hate all of them is that none of them feels like X-Men, none of them, the casting felt cheap like all the actors are cheaper replacements to the likes of Patrick Stewert, yes even the guy that played Magneto whatever his name is, oh yeah Michael Fassbender.

The look and feel of the films also does not feel like X-Men and that is quite the accomplishment because its even less X-Men-y than the original Trilogy of Moives, yes including Brett Ratner's Last Stand.

Given the choice I rather watch Last Stand than any of the movies in the First Class Trilogy.

Honestly the First Class Trilogy is to X-Men what Amazing Spiderman was to Raimi Spiderman, and Fant4stic was to the 2000s Fantastic Four.

Bryan Singer needs to go back making more movies like the Usual Suspects.
One decent movie made 10 years after the fact doesn't forgive what he did.
I get why people dislike him though, he does have a punchable douche-bag face:

 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Alright, from a comic book reader's perspective I can understand. "Doesn't look right." and so on. I usually don't put too much weight on some stylistic choices in movie adaptations. After all, if you just put all three next to each other without any context apart from "it's a superhero team", it wouldn't be too hard to criticize all of their styles.
 

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My critical opinion of the X-Men franchise:

X-Men: Good
X-Men 2: Good!
X-Men 3/Last Stand: Bad!
X-Men Origins: BWAUGH
X-Men First Class: Meh!
The Wolverine: Good!
X-Men Days of Future Past: Good!
X-Men Apocalypse: Haven't seen it!
Logan: Hrnnngh [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4]

As far as I'm concerned, Bryan Singer's involvement with the franchise has always improved it. But I haven't seen Apocalypse, and people are saying that's the meh-est of them all.

But this one looks good, yeah. It feels like a very depressing coda to the X-Men universe, like "Whelp, this is it, guys." Then again, I feel like it has to do that. Patrick Stewart's in his 70s, for crying out loud. This is clearly going to end with Wolverine and X-23 burying Xavier.
 

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bastardofmelbourne said:
My critical opinion of the X-Men franchise:
But this one looks good, yeah. It feels like a very depressing coda to the X-Men universe, like "Whelp, this is it, guys." Then again, I feel like it has to do that. Patrick Stewart's in his 70s, for crying out loud. This is clearly going to end with Wolverine and X-23 burying Xavier.
While I am 100% sure Charles is biting the bullet, what do you think about Logan dying? Lots of similarities between this and Death of Wolverine.