London Riots

[Comando96]

What is up with the Brits and their riots anyways? I understand if people are upset and want to protest, but taking it a step further and rioting is just plain stupid.

Also, I don't mean to be bashing on every British person out there, it's just that it seems like whenever I hear some kind of news from England, it's some kind of riot.

With this one... its weird. Its not over any sort of protest it was just... "we have had enough of those fucking police". When I say "we" I mean all chav scum bags in London.

The original demonstration was some people (fools) wanted to know why the police shot someone... considering the fact this person before being shot had shot a police officer...

Now this demonstration of 300 soon became a magnet for pissed off people in London who are young, poor, gave up on education (they fucking deserve to be poor, that didn't stop me getting a job being born poor there). These yobs started to get angry and throw shit at shit and then start stealing shit.

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As with handling this riot, I being quite a harsh person when it comes to "the line has been crossed, lets get them" I would happily have the police forces armed with plastic bullets simply mowing down everyone and hand cuffing them, giving them a 5 minuet prior warning that they were about to be approached by modern day line infantry.

Admittedly it would rarely get to the situation where this would be appropriate... but this clearly has... send them in. See how fucking fast the "riots" shop when people start getting winded by high speed rubber(not the American version of this word) xD

 

[Jedoro]

Riot shields, tear gas, less lethal ammunition, water hoses, batons, tasers...

Yeah, police should use anything and everything that qualifies as "less lethal." There's a chance it'll still kill, but that's what you get for being in a riot.

 

[BGH122]

Nah. It was an intimidation thing between, well, I want to say gangs but i'm pretty sure it was just a couple blokes trying to mug a guy in an alley.

Definitely couldn't have been police, no uniform and the gun looked like crap, but it made a massive bang and went pretty damn fast, so i'm assuming it hurt.

Edit:

Its worth noting that the guy who was shot with it was 1. huge and 2. seriously, huge.

Oh, cheers for the info. The only time I've seen those things deployed is when actual Authorised Firearms Officers are using them and those things are no joke. I'm guessing the gun he was using wasn't really up to scratch, or it just wasn't enough to stop the hulking brute.

 

[Dogstile]

Well, brits are bad at rioting, but contain with teargas and beanbag shotguns? Or you know, bigger cars

Aha, i've seen a beanbag shotgun used before. (also, in the UK, and no, it wasn't police issue).

It hit the bloke, who promptly looked at the guy who shot him, glared and charged. I doubt you could stop most of my countrymen that easily. It just pisses us off.

Wait, what? I'm sorry but you're pretty much immobilized when you're hit by one of those
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q30OOWu0Y2E

He didn't look immobilized. At most he looked in pain. That + adrenaline running through a giant guy? Probably felt the impact and was more pissed off than in pain.

But hey, what do I know, its just what I saw. And i'll point out again, the shotgun was not police issue, but instead looked pretty damn shoddy. Enough to hurt sure, but it didn't look like it would put you down.

 

[KeyMaster45]

We're not allowed to use any of those things. We're not even allowed baton-rounds or water cannons. We're having kettling (containment, as other police forces in other countries call it) removed from us too. We're also not allowed to directly strike with batons to anywhere but main muscle mass (arms, legs, thigh).

Have you tried poking them with a pointed stick, or maybe tossing a handful of legumes at them?

OT: Jebus if there was riot here in the states every time some two bit thug was gunned down by the cops we'd be in a constant state of unmitigated chaos. (of course that seems to be the image of an average day over here in the mind of our cousins across the pond.)

 

[BGH122]

We're not allowed to use any of those things. We're not even allowed baton-rounds or water cannons. We're having kettling (containment, as other police forces in other countries call it) removed from us too. We're also not allowed to directly strike with batons to anywhere but main muscle mass (arms, legs, thigh).

Have you tried poking them with a pointed stick, or maybe tossing a handful of legumes at them?

OT: Jebus if there was riot here in the states every time some two bit thug was gunned down by the cops we'd be in a constant state of unmitigated chaos. (of course that seems to be the image of an average day over here in the mind of our cousins across the pond.)

Pointed stick? Legumes? Can't you appreciate that these are poor, down-trodden youths who have legitimate gripes with the fascist police of the United Kingdom who're answerable to no-one but themselves? Can't you appreciate that these youths are exercising their right to peaceful protest and it's just a few bad guys who're wrecking it for the majority! It's obviously a police state! The UK is exactly like pre-revolution Cuba!

/sarcasm

In the words of Duggan's mother "He wasn't violent" ... He was under observation by Trident, the violent black crimes unit, and was carrying a handgun which he fired upon arresting officers ... "He was into some thing" ... Drug dealing and gang affiliation is now 'some things' and a perfectly acceptable 'culture'.

Yeah, if immigration weren't such a nightmare I'd move to the US in a shot. I'd love to work for a US police force, but with the five years of localisation it just isn't worth it.

Well, brits are bad at rioting, but contain with teargas and beanbag shotguns? Or you know, bigger cars

We're not allowed to use any of those things. We're not even allowed baton-rounds or water cannons. We're having kettling (containment, as other police forces in other countries call it) removed from us too. We're also not allowed to directly strike with batons to anywhere but main muscle mass (arms, legs, thigh).

Well wow. Sucks to be a riot police dude in britain then doesn't it? :/
Though theres alot of excessive use of those things here.. There was some video of three chicks going to a graduation party getting pepersprayed point blank and chased away by k9s

Oof, that's not good. From what I've heard, numerous US police forces don't seem to have an independent complaints commission. Is that true?

The problem, as ever, isn't the weapons, it's ensuring that one's officers aren't corrupt/thuggish.

 

[TwoSidesOneCoin]

As with handling this riot, I being quite a harsh person when it comes to "the line has been crossed, lets get them" I would happily have the police forces armed with plastic bullets simply mowing down everyone and hand cuffing them, giving them a 5 minuet prior warning that they were about to be approached by modern day line infantry.

Admittedly it would rarely get to the situation where this would be appropriate... but this clearly has... send them in. See how fucking fast the "riots" shop when people start getting winded by high speed rubber(not the American version of this word) xD

I agree with what you're saying, I'm a "The ends justify the means" kinda guy. Desperate times call for desperate measures and all that. You want to end it? Then do it quickly and decisively. A warning and if the rioters/looters/participants (aka anyone being there fucking shit up) do not lay down any weapons and get on the floor, after a minute, you open fire with the rubbers.

Also that last bit made me chuckle.

 

[Spartan448]

These riots need to be contained, or they're going to spread. What worries me, though, is that the city where the second riot occured wasn't locked down beforehand. The British police must have been complete IMBICILES to not notice that there was a riot being planned--- ON A SOCIAL NETWORKING SITE. Youth violence spreads like Bubonic Plague, and is about as deadly. Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, and most importantly, Lybia should all be good examples of that. I say it's time to call in the Blackhawks, and the live rounds, too. Show no mercy to those who don't deserve it.

 

[gigastar]

To me it seems like a football riot that didnt happen at football, Tottenham is a very football-ly place as far as i care.

Also if its gone to Enfield then that means the riot is little more than 2 miles form my doorstep...

Well its been raining, alot, and itll be dawn soon. And i have an axe, a big one. And my father has a chainsaw, a small one, but still a chainsaw.

 

[gigastar]

I say it's time to call in the Blackhawks, and the live rounds, too. Show no mercy to those who don't deserve it.

Going from the press that certain Arab states have been getting over that kind of riot surpression, what would the world think if Britan were to do it?

Even then all theese pillocks have done is set fire to a few viechles and one biulding and loot about 4 shops. The Arab uprisings were for control of their respective countries.

 

[AfroTree]

Riot shields, tear gas, less lethal ammunition, water hoses, batons, tasers...

Yeah, police should use anything and everything that qualifies as "less lethal." There's a chance it'll still kill, but that's what you get for being in a riot.

These riots need to be contained, or they're going to spread. What worries me, though, is that the city where the second riot occured wasn't locked down beforehand. The British police must have been complete IMBICILES to not notice that there was a riot being planned--- ON A SOCIAL NETWORKING SITE. Youth violence spreads like Bubonic Plague, and is about as deadly. Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, and most importantly, Lybia should all be good examples of that. I say it's time to call in the Blackhawks, and the live rounds, too. Show no mercy to those who don't deserve it.

What. The. Fuck.

seriously. No.

Good gravy, riots are so stupid. Another great example of weak willed people losing control of themselves.

I wanna put you in a riot. lets see how that works out.

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Ideally, they wouldn't happen at all

but right now. just keep doing what they're doing, it's not efficient, but it seems to work.

I am not going back to london though. too sunny.

 

[Alar]

So, wait. This was being organized on social networking sites? Don't the Police, or some federal organizations, try to keep out an eye for that sort of thing?

That is, unless they were really subtle about organizing it... but most people doing illegal things online these days tend to be very stupid and very open about it.

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

WOOOOOOOOOOOO YEAH RIOTS!
Just seeing the pictures makes me pumped up.

Though the looting was a little too far.

I'm the exact opposite.
The violent, faceless mobs of savage, anonymous brutes breaking everything in sight terrifies me to the core. Imagine just walking down the street and being caught in the middle of that.

On the other hand, it would be so awesome to bust into something like Gamestop or a jewelry store and have that moment where you're like "it's mine! It's all mine!", knowing you'll have a decent chance of making off with anything you want.

 

[dibblywibbles]

so a thug gets shot in the head after firing on the cops and this is reason to riot? Vancouver loses in the Stanley cup Finals and all hell breaks loose? Some cities are better equipped to deal with these situations but seriously.... get your head on straight you idjits! looks like I'm going to have to start teaching conflict resolution classes.

 

[Gitty101]

Oh no, just when I thought things couldn't possible get any worse. The last thing we need is civil unrest during these trying times. These people fail to realise that they're not actually getting back at the people responsible - all they're doing is harming the local community. Guess that's commonplace though where ignorance is bred and allowed to thrive.

I'm just glad I don't live in London.

 

[teqrevisited]

The guy fired on an officer, what did he expect? A bullet to the head was all that he deserved. At least he didn't get the chance to be buggered to death in Whitemoor.

If they were rioting for a worthy cause then by all means, but rioting because the law was upheld?

Roll out the APCs.