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Chiggins

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Alright, let me preface this all by saying that I am not well versed in the ways of comic books. I was forced into reading the "Kingdom Come" graphic novel for a college class and found it to be stunningly amazing. I have also read the entire "Battle Angel Alita" series, which was good fun but oddly unfocused.

So, to any experts out there - what do you recommend for me? I'm not necessarily looking for the best of the recently published, anything that I can still find a copy of I am willing to go track it down.

Thanks for taking the time to try and educate me. =)
-C
 

DominicDavies

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Ah well good sir you have come to the right place.

There are many many comics so you might need to be more specific as to what you are looking for but I can recommend some classics for you till you get on your feet.

The Dark Knight Returns is Frank Miller's epic and a brilliant Batman story.

If you really liked Kingdom Come recently that version of Superman has made an appearance in the newish JSA book written by Geoff Johns. Its great.

Watchmen is pretty much a must read from Alan Moore.

Ultimates from Mark Millar is a brilliant retelling of the Avengers.

Ultimate Spidey is also a fan favorite from Brian Michael Bendis.

All these books can be found in any good comic store.


Im going to throw a plug in there as well and let you know that my bi-weekly column currently on the front page talks about whats currently good and whats soon to come comics wise. You might get some ideas from that. If you want to hear about a specific book you can suggest them for review next time as well.
 

GenHellspawn

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Watchmen
Sandman series
V for Vendetta (if you've seen the movie i say don't bother)
Anything by Frank Miller
 

GloatingSwine

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Pride of Baghdad is so far the best comic of this millennium and should be read by everyone and their mother.
 

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ok well i worked in a comic book shop that my buddy owns so i may be able to help. some of the best things i have read while sitting around work were:

marvel:
to start off with you will want to read house of M and this is if you have basic knowledge of the marvel universe.

after that go on to 187 this deals with the after math of house of M

once done this you will have some idea of the characters that you like and should start to pick up there books

next comes the civil war story arch this was vary well done and leads to some things that were in the news you probably have heard about it but if you haven't i am not going to tell you.

around the same time this is happening you may want to pick up planet hulk now i recommend this even if you don't like hulk due to the fact that it brings you in to World war hulk (at this point hulk is really pissed) this was one of my favorite story arcs.

stand alone books
my favorite has to be the punisher max collection it has all the things punisher should have do to the fact that there is no sensor on it. any of the max book are good if you prefer a more mature read.
wolverine origins yes i hoped on the band wagon on this one and i enjoyed it a fair amount.
x 23 = female wolverine

DC
now i am not a fan of DC and i like to make fun of batman being gay in front of my wife (he isn't but there are times that the stereo type comes through real good eg. super man flies in on bat man digging a hole and batman looks up and says some thing about calling before coming here and superman says faster to fly there and batman says "faster then calling") but ill see if i can figure out some good stuff for ya.

identity crisis was not bad from what i hear

some of the stuff that i have read is:

if you want to get an idea about who to read i rec omened justice league its got every one in it and that will give you an idea what every one is like. the flash is kinda cool.

supper man all star this is basically superman has flown to near the sun and essentially become saturated with solar energy (this is what makes him strong) but it was too much and now he is going to die in one year as the doctors guess it (but what do they know) well now super man is around 1000x stronger then he has ever been and getting stronger all the time. this book would be good if you like to try out a game and then see what it would be like if you broke every thing about it and became super uber.

batman hush is good mature art and story telling the way batman should be. almost any batman would be good if you stay away from any thing that looks like its made for kids.

superman batman comic book was good the part that they add super girl in to it was cool.

ok so i did not read DC vary much i like my heroes to have flaws and the stories to be more based on real world.

out side of DC i would say just look at the covers and talk to the guys at the comic book shop that you go to get them they will have tones of suggestions.
 

DominicDavies

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House of M is not a good jumping on point at all. It is a story inspired by events that occurred in another book earlier. A better idea would be to get into New Avengers and Mighty Avengers, say the last 6 or 7 issues. Because they both more or less just got settled into new teams AND will all tie into the next big event that is coming thanks to Bendis.

Civil War was great but it has always been relegated to either be forgotten (All the Spiderman stuff gone) or just used as another reason for the up coming Skrull War (again Bendis).

Planet Hulk and World War Hulk are gold. And should be read by everybody including your dog.

DC wise theres really way too much but if you read the crises books starting with Identity, then Infinite then you will have an ok idea of the DC universe. Although I would highly recommend you read all of 52 as well. NOT COUNTDOWN. It's toff. Currently Green Lantern and JSA is awesome and JLA is not bad. Flash is OK too. Both Superman books are solid as are the Batman ones. Grant Morrisons All Star Superman is amazing.

This is a lot of reading and A LOT of money.
 

SpiderLotus

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Sandman series is a classic.

Hellblazer is my personal favorite. John Constantine is the man (and Keanu Reeves makes me cry)
 

Larenxis

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Sandman, definitely.
And if graphic novels are included, Maus (I and II).
 

Chiggins

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Out-standing. Thanks a bunch for the advice everybody. I'll probably grab from the recommended titles at random and just see how it goes.

This might be considered off-topic by comic-book purists - but what would anyone recommend in the way of manga? I've always thought the artistic style was outstanding, but after reading a few Appleseed I could not - no matter how much I streched it - figure out what the heck was going on. I'm just curious to see what people would suggest, but I suspect the cultural differences are just too much for me to handle. ;)
 

SpiderLotus

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Death Note... Death Note melts my nutsack. They syndicate the anime on adult swim now (in english in a suprisingly passable quality). Personally never read the manga, saw the entire anime like twice, but my gf argues that the manga is better. Whichever floats your boat.
 

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i hate to sound like a bastard and disregard many comics that are certainly well done and entertaining, but if you are looking for a hands down amazing comic then look no further than Transmetropolitan by Warren Ellis. this is seriously the one of the greatest graphic novel series i have had the pleasure to read and if you are looking for advice then this is it.
 

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Chiggins said:
This might be considered off-topic by comic-book purists - but what would anyone recommend in the way of manga?
Oh, I am so very glad you asked!

First of all, the ending of the original "Battle Angel Alita" series was reportedly forced the author by the publisher. "Alita" has been restarted as "Battle Angel Alita: Last Order", picking up pretty much at the destruction of the sky city and carrying on from there into some truly epic territory.

So, looking at my shelf, here's what I would loan you if you asked me that question in person.

--"Vagabond" by Takehiko Inoue. Dude, I totally lack words for the gorgeousness of Inoue's art. It's set in feudal Japan and tells the life story of Musashi Miyamoto, an actual historical figure who became a "sword-saint," enlightened through the pursuit of perfect swordsmanship. If Akira Kurosawa made manga instead of movies, this is the manga he would have made.

Cultural note: you'll see the motif of "enlightenment through battle" A LOT in anime and manga. That's one of the reasons why you get these extended (multi-episode/multi-issue) fight sequences - because in the heat of battle is where all the real personal growth and character development takes place. If you ever watch the anime "Bleach" or "Naruto", you will see prime examples of this. I recommend "Bleach", by the way, anime or manga. Good Stuff.

--In a complete 180 from sword-saints and enlightenment, "Genshiken" is the story of an anime/manga/video game/cosplay fanclub at a Japanese college - basically a room full of geeks of all sorts. It's hilarious as well as human. You might feel a little lost at all the genre references (hentai? yaoi? magical girl?) but if you get into manga and anime, come back to this manga which will seem very Japanese and totally familiar at the same time.

--If you liked "Battle Angel Alita" and you end up liking Frank Miller (or not - I hate Frank Miller's work with a passion but I understand why those who like him do) then you should definitely hunt down "Ashen Victor", which is a one-shot story set in the "Alita" universe. The timeline and perspective flip back and forth a bit, so you have to pay attention, but it is a masterpiece, one of my favorites ever. It went out of print for a while. Not sure if it's still available.

--"Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service" is a great, low-key, slice-of-life style manga, if your life happened to involve communicating with the deceased to try and help them rest in peace.

--"Deathnote" is kind of hard to explain, because the plot is so intricate. Starting point: A high school kid finds the notebook of a Death God. Anyone whose name is written in the book will die of the cause specified in writing. So, if you had a notebook like that, would you use it to totally reshape the world to your ideals? He would. And others try to stop him in what becomes the most elaborate psychological chessgame I've seen in ANY media, not just manga.

--"Great Teacher Onizuka" is an example of the Japanese sense of humor, which is a very slapstick, banana peels and fart jokes sense of humor. The 23-year-old former head of a biker gang graduates from a diploma mill college, needs a job, and decides to become a high school teacher so he can hit on 16-year-old girls. Hilarity ensues. Are you familiar with the Japanese school girl fetish? If you aren't, you will be if you spend any time at all consuming manga and anime.

Japanese anime and manga tend to be divided into boys' and girls' manga (shonen and shojo). The ones I've listed so far are all boys' manga, because I've made the assumption that you are a guy. Being a fangirl myself, I also read girls' manga, which can match the boys for story and art, but the subjects and handling tend to be different. If you are interested in shojo recs, either for yourself or for someone you know, I'd be happy to give you some great titles to start.

Also, regarding regular old comics, Alan Moore=BUY IT! Seriously.

Fantastic comics I'm reading right now:

--"Ex Machina". What if a not-so-superhero became mayor of New York? Brian Vaughn is made entirely of awesome.
--"Desolation Jones." How much drugs has Warren Ellis taken, anyway? Los Angeles is an open prison for ex-super spies. Desolation Jones is one of them who ends up being a sort of private investigator for the rest of them.
--"Powers" by Brian Michael Bendis. Cops + Superheros is like Chocolate + Peanut Butter, and like snack size Reese's, I will take as many of these as anyone is willing to give me. Bendis writes the best dialogue in comics today. Fact.

Stuff I'm not reading now because it's all wrapped up:
--"The Invisibles". However much drugs Warren Ellis has done, it is nothing compared to Grant Morrison, who could just be famous as the weirdest bastard to ever write mainstream comics, except that he's super talented, so he's the weirdest bastard to ever write really good comics, and with Alan Moore and Warren Ellis as competition, that's saying something.
--"Kabuki" by David Mack. This isn't technically wrapped up, but Mack is such a lazy S.O.B that there's maybe an issue every 6-8 months, when his publisher send a couple thugs over to threaten to kneecap him if he doesn't get his ass back to the drawing table. Get the trade paperback collections, because even though Mack is a total wanker, his art and writing are astonishing, completely beyond anything else you've ever seen in comics.
--"Batman: Arkham Asylum" - written by Grant Morrison (Batman always attracts the freaky writers) and painted (not drawn) by Dave McKean, who is the cover artist for the Sandman series, and probably the only artist who jaw-drops me even harder than David Mack.
 

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hamletpunk said:
i hate to sound like a bastard and disregard many comics that are certainly well done and entertaining, but if you are looking for a hands down amazing comic then look no further than Transmetropolitan by Warren Ellis. this is seriously the one of the greatest graphic novel series i have had the pleasure to read and if you are looking for advice then this is it.
Being a bastard works and this man speaks nothing but the truth. It is, be warned, quite an adult read.
 

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mshcherbatskaya said:
Chiggins said:
This might be considered off-topic by comic-book purists - but what would anyone recommend in the way of manga?
Oh, I am so very glad you asked!

First of all, the ending of the original "Battle Angel Alita" series was reportedly forced the author by the publisher. "Alita" has been restarted as "Battle Angel Alita: Last Order", picking up pretty much at the destruction of the sky city and carrying on from there into some truly epic territory.
Actually, it was forced on the author by illness. Thinking he wouldn't be able to continue working on the comic, Kishiro decided to provide an ending, rather than leave it hanging. He picked back up with Last Order intending it only to flesh out the events in the last level of the Playstation game, but it spiralled into a full on proper series. (If you pick it up, erase everything from Page 153 of Volume 9 from your mind and pick up with Last Order volume 1).

Also, offer silent prayers for the movie, because if they get it right, it will be fifteen kinds of awesome.
 

Mage26

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No one's mentioned any Vertigo comics.

Comics that I always recommend for new readers are
Y:The Last Man by Brian K Vaughan
Fables by Bill Willingham
The Walking Dead by Robert Kirkman
Bone by Jeff Smith

Those are all really easy to find in trade paperback and will get you addicted at the first issue.
 

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I'm an armchair comic enthusiast but I've been an armchair comic enthusiast for a couple decades so I'll give you the benefit of my low to medium amount of comic knowledge.

If you like Batman and Superman I suggest the "No Man's Land" Batman series, however, you must read Cataclysm first because it explains how No Man's Land comes about.

Superman was never one of my favorites but I've had the "Return of Superman" collection for many many years and I still love to pick it up and read it through every once in a while.

Historically I've been more of an X-Men guy and there are quite a few decent collections you can get your hands on and definitely more than what I know because I only go on a comic buying spree once a year or once every two years. Two of my favorites are "Fatal Attractions" and "Inferno". I think it has a good mix of classic X-Men story and something a bit more edgy (though edgy for X-Men is still pretty safe).

You can never go wrong with Deadpool, if you like more humorous and violent comics, I don't really own a lot of it so I can't suggest anything specific but what I do have I love.

In the last five or so years I've bought more graphic novel style comics. Preacher is a favorite of mine even though it's not the best it has a great storyline, decent artwork and it's a bit more gripping than your classic Spiderman and X-Men comics.

The Transmetropolitan series is fantastic in the beginning but tapers off in the end. Like Preacher it isn't really...child friendly so don't be surprised to see plenty of tits and blood.

Sandman is a great series but I can't seem to find the rest of it unfortunately. If you or anyone else knows where I can go to buy the rest of the series let me know. I have yet to do a thorough snooping of the local comic stores but I hear it's out of print and I have my doubts about being able to find it anywhere but online.

I suppose that's enough nerding out for the moment except to second Y: The Last Man, Maus if you didn't read it in school, and definitely Hellblazer.
 

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GenHellspawn said:
Larenxis said:
Sandman, definitely.
And if graphic novels are included, Maus (I and II).
Oh yes I forgot about those.

Maus books are a must read for anybody
Absolutely. With all the Men in Spandex comics flying around, I totally forgot the genre of documentary comics. "Maus" is the classic that everyone recommends, and if you find yourself itching for more of the same, you can't go wrong with Joe Sacco's "Palestine" and "Safe Area Gorazde." Sacco is basically a war journalist who reports back via comics rather than print of photography. And "Palestine" is a great companion to "Maus."
 

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GloatingSwine said:
mshcherbatskaya said:
Chiggins said:
This might be considered off-topic by comic-book purists - but what would anyone recommend in the way of manga?
Oh, I am so very glad you asked!

First of all, the ending of the original "Battle Angel Alita" series was reportedly forced the author by the publisher. "Alita" has been restarted as "Battle Angel Alita: Last Order", picking up pretty much at the destruction of the sky city and carrying on from there into some truly epic territory.
Actually, it was forced on the author by illness. Thinking he wouldn't be able to continue working on the comic, Kishiro decided to provide an ending, rather than leave it hanging. ...[snip]... (If you pick it up, erase everything from Page 153 of Volume 9 from your mind and pick up with Last Order volume 1).

Also, offer silent prayers for the movie, because if they get it right, it will be fifteen kinds of awesome.
After the eye-clawingly bad cinematic abuse of Alan Moore's comics, I have little hope of any comic I truly love making it to the screen as anything better than a tortured mockery of the original. LXG - the horror! the horror!

I that's good to know that Kishiro wasn't forced to end Alita by the publisher, but bad to know that he got so sick. There are a few artists I love, Yukito Kishiro, Takehiko Inoue, and David Mack among them, because it has been such a pleasure to watch them develop and refine their skills, to watch their work get better over the years. That's one of the sad things about the American comic book industry - all the switching around means that fans of a specific artist or writer have to follow them from title to title, rather than seeing a single artist take a single title to its full potential. There are some exceptions, like Kabuki and Powers, that appear to be fully controlled by their creators. And there is an advantage to having a title passed on from someone who has become a little bored or stale to someone who has a fresh point of view. It's just one of those bone-deep differences between the American and Japanese approach to comics.