Looks like LulzSec is in trouble

[Greatjusticeman]

For once, the FBI does something... WHEN IT IS NOT AT ALL A THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY. STOP focusing on petty hackers who spend their time hacking SONY of all companies, and START actually LOOKING for AL QUEIDA, who want to KILL US.

Really? You're worried about national security right now?

Did you not see that a top ranking Al Qaeda member who potentially could've been Osama's replacement was killed by an America missile drone the other day? There's your hunt for you.

Also, this is the FBI's job - hunt down domestic threats in the United States. This includes these hackers. I think the guys you are talking about CIA - which they have been doing their job.

 

[FalloutJack]

And now the glorious game begins, in which everybody the FBI catches them, one by one, and they're are placed all in separate rooms wearing those ugly orange jumpsuits and forced to spill the beans. Then, they'll line up all their computers in front of a firing squad and tell the men to open fire. And afterwards, a flamethrower will be employed. Why is it that no one ever sees the consequences of their actions? "No no, I won't be caught, 'CAUSE I'M SPECIAL!". Right. Tell me another one.

Sadly most won't be caught. From what someone else posted on the first page this guy isn't a member of their group. This could be a way for them to save face but I doubt that. We get a few hackers every once in awhile but they are never the realllyyy dangerous dickish ones, the ones who sit behind a computer and feel manlier... or womanlier. Or they could be overseas, these guys can just hide too well.

OP: I wish it was as big a deal as everyone thinks it is but I doubt it is. I hope when they do find the guys they all get the usual criminal cases and if those don't stick or aren't sufficient sony, nintendo, and other companies file civil suits against them all.

Basically, I'm of the opinion that they will because they haven't exactly been clever, you know? I dunno a thing about who will or won't or yatta yatta yatta. The issue here is pretty cut and dry. They're not in the right, so they get the dogs on 'em. That's how it is. Consequences happen. I have NO idea what will TRULY happen. The point of the matter is that this has to stop.

 

[Lunar Templar]

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/technology/lulzsec-member-arrested-group-leaks-sony-database-57296.html

UPDATE 5:05pm PDT: LulzSec says arrested hacker was not part of group.

Also:

Dear Internets,

Herro! Recently some of you may have seen "LulzSec exposed" logs floating around. We'd like the time to say this: LOL. Those logs are primarily from a channel called #pure-elite, which is /not/ the LulzSec core chatting channel. #pure-elite is where we gather potential backup/subcrew research and development battle fleet members, i.e. we were using that channel only to recruit talent for side-operations.

Note that people such as joepie91/Neuron/Storm/trollpoll/voodoo are not involved with LulzSec, they just hang out with us in that channel. Also, "ev0", who was allegedly arrested (?) was never a part of LulzSec or in fact the subcrew. We don't even know who he is.

Despite the fact that we're laughing heartily right now, we do take care of our subcrew, and as such the person who leaked those logs (m_nerva) has been completely hacked inside and out. We have all his online accounts, all his personal information, all the illegal things he's done on record. We destroyed him so hard that he sat there apologizing to us all night on IRC for what he did. His mother probably spanked him after we wrecked his home connection. Uh-oh, m_nerva!

Our core chatting channel remains unaffected. Our core LulzSec team is at full strength. The Lulz Boat sails stronger than ever, nice try though.

TL;DR we are too sexy to be sunk, hacking continues as usual, u mad bros?

http://lulzsecurity.com/
twitter.com/LulzSec

Better luck next time, FBI.

not to point out the 'barn sized' obvious, but, every 'secret group' would say 'nope, not one a ours' if one of their guys is caught, personally, i hope it is one of their guys.

i am sick and FUCKING TIRED of hear about all this trash on the internet, they are not noble freedom fighters, fighting for our rights, their fucking over who ever they please because they can, weather they deserve it or not, they are criminals, nothing more.

 

[AMMO Kid]

Sorry PS3 fans, I'm cheering for the lulz on this one. Personally I don't know why ANYONE would want to give their support and money to a company that doesn't give a crap about your personal information safety.

 

[Wulfen73]

Honestly you can cheer for these groups all you like or say 'It's just a faceless corporation' but these are not revolutionaries, these are not political activists, these people are at best vigilantes, and not the batman kind. They aren't out to make the world better and they aren't trying to help anyone, they are hurting people and not the big CEOs or other high payed guys, the common folks, you an me.

In the aftermath of these attacks on Sony what is going to happen? Sony will cut costs to balance the losses from these attacks, that means the bottom level people who work long hours for a paycheck a fraction of the CEOs get their pink slips and unemployment gets another few thousand people added to the tally. Yeah those hackers really helped those people, and did nothing to the executives, and the millions of customers who lost access to their games for a few days, have had their personal information stolen and have to worry about losing everything to identity theft. Yeah great job hackers you put more weight on these people, and Sony will raise PSN costs to cover the loses and to pay for increased security, you guys did a great job.

These guys aren't heroes, these guys hurt millions of people just so they could arrogantly claim they accomplished something, so they could feel good about themselves. This is just bullying on another level guys, and you aren't hurting the decision makers you are hurting the guys who just do their jobs. No matter how good you are they are going to catch up with you eventually, the web isn't as anon as it used to be and the FBI has guys every bit as good as you are

 

[DudeistBelieve]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait

Uh yeah because we couildn't play Socom for about a month because some fuckers had to prove a point, which do they have a point? I mean their own name even implies, they're just doing it for the Lulz.

Lulzsec is the equivalent of the Batmen at the start of The Dark Knight movie, a bunch of guys in hockey pads trying to impersonate Anon.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait

More people are pissed off about the "millions of people put at risk for identity theft" thing rather than not being able to play games.
Regardless of what Sony did, when it affects that many people in that way, I think we're justified in thinking these guys deserve a harsh punishment.

Except LulzSex didn't place millions at risk of identity theft. They exposed a massive security hole and even made clear they had no intentions other than exposing said hole.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait

Uh yeah because we couildn't play Socom for about a month because some fuckers had to prove a point, which do they have a point? I mean their own name even implies, they're just doing it for the Lulz.

Lulzsec is the equivalent of the Batmen at the start of The Dark Knight movie, a bunch of guys in hockey pads trying to impersonate Anon.

Trying to impersonate...ugh. Anonymous isn't a single group. That's the whole point of it. It's...

Nevermind. I've gone over this a good many times, and it never seems to stick.

 

[Danceofmasks]

I may think Sony are a bunch of tools ... to the point of ... their court cases never actually address anything, but are just constantly repeating "PIRATES!" against every argument.
Jailbreaking your devices is legal. Selling jailbreaking technology or devices is not, because they're almost entirely used for illegal purposes.

OT: LulzSec are just a bunch of criminals, and they don't really have a point other than doing what they do for the lulz.

Get 'em, FBI ... Get 'em. The whole thing is entertaining.

 

[GrimHeaper]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait

Uh yeah because we couildn't play Socom for about a month because some fuckers had to prove a point, which do they have a point? I mean their own name even implies, they're just doing it for the Lulz.

Lulzsec is the equivalent of the Batmen at the start of The Dark Knight movie, a bunch of guys in hockey pads trying to impersonate Anon.

Who knows Anon may get angry and fight them or they may be a sister group.

Except LulzSex didn't place millions at risk of identity theft. They exposed a massive security hole and even made clear they had no intentions other than exposing said hole.

It could have been worse, they clearly don't have the WORST intentions.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait

Uh yeah because we couildn't play Socom for about a month because some fuckers had to prove a point, which do they have a point? I mean their own name even implies, they're just doing it for the Lulz.

Lulzsec is the equivalent of the Batmen at the start of The Dark Knight movie, a bunch of guys in hockey pads trying to impersonate Anon.

Trying to impersonate...ugh. Anonymous isn't a single group. That's the whole point of it. It's...

Nevermind. I've gone over this a good many times, and it never seems to stick.

Yes yes Anon is a legionious group of members with a trusted set of ideals, not anyone person blah blah blah.

You do realize how fucking hard it is to talk about Anon in conversation right? *sigh*

 

[smudgey]

Honestly I'm rooting for lulzsec. They are willing to show these people how poorly these companies defend themselves, which is needed.

That's like Germany invading Poland, or Russia invading Georgia for the sake of showing them how poorly they defend themselves.
I'd have no problem with these people if they were just defacing websites, but stealing innocent people's private information? How can anyone defend that? Attacking the company is one thing, innocent customers should not have to suffer for it.

 

[AlexWinter]

For once, the FBI does something... WHEN IT IS NOT AT ALL A THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY. STOP focusing on petty hackers who spend their time hacking SONY of all companies, and START actually LOOKING for AL QUEIDA, who want to KILL US.

Broseph, are you tripping or trolling?


OT: I'm not entirely convinced that this guy actually is involved deeply with Lulzsec. It seems like the FBI might have jumped on the first barely connected hacker they found to put some pressure on them and win over some positive PR.

 

[Char-Nobyl]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait

Uh yeah because we couildn't play Socom for about a month because some fuckers had to prove a point, which do they have a point? I mean their own name even implies, they're just doing it for the Lulz.

Lulzsec is the equivalent of the Batmen at the start of The Dark Knight movie, a bunch of guys in hockey pads trying to impersonate Anon.

Trying to impersonate...ugh. Anonymous isn't a single group. That's the whole point of it. It's...

Nevermind. I've gone over this a good many times, and it never seems to stick.

Yes yes Anon is a legionious group of members with a trusted set of ideals, not anyone person blah blah blah.

You do realize how fucking hard it is to talk about Anon in conversation right? *sigh*

Wait, what? No, not at all. Anonymous isn't a group "with a trusted set of ideals" or stuff like that. Anonymous is the internet equivalent of a ski mask: it's a cover to be worn when you want to do something that you might not want your name attached to. And while the FBI and such don't look at an armed robbery and say, "My God! That's the thousandth crime by the Ski Mask Bandit this month! How can he cross the country so quickly?" they still somehow think that if they look hard enough, eventually they'll find the Anonymous Command Center or something.

 

[Forum_Name]

I need to follow this, because if the FBI got the wrong guy.................

Are you implying pretext or incompetence? Either way I'm sure he's going to be found guilty of something.

 

[redisforever]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait

That argument is old, half-truthed, and no longer relevant.

Geohotz's case is over. If it were up to me he'd be in jail too but that's not the point anymore.

The point is now there is a criminal group at large who feel they are above the law and are perfectly willing to abuse that sense of power for nefarious means like breaking into Sony's private databases to gain access to info they aren't allowed to and compromise that sensitive information. No company deserves that. To think that is immature and stupid.

Agreed. Sony is allowed to change anything they like about they system they made. I think that Linux on PS3 is great, but if Sony doesn't, that's their choice. It's still possible, but questionably legal. However, will you actually get in trouble for it? Hell no. All that doesn't mean that Sony's customers should be punished. To Sony, this means a few less people will play PSN. No problem, they already made a ton of money from people buying PS3's. It's a huge problem, however, for the customers.

 

[Therumancer]

Well, as far as I am concerned Sony robbed me, and everyone else who lost the "Other OS" option so I have no sympathy for them on those grounds. I do not support the actions against them as any kind of "class war", and feel they deserve it for being a massive mega-corperation. Also I wouldn't be surprised if they are actually valued in the trillions of dollars, nobody even knows the full extent of Sony's holdings, only what they reveal publically. There has been a lot said about this, especially back in the 1980s, as I said Sony is the real life entity a lot of the evil Japanacorps of cyberpunk fiction has been based on.... but still, they are entitled to their money and holdings, I only object to them on the grounds of their stealing and their behaviors. I'd actually prefer it if there was a plausible legal mehacnism through which your typical person could hold corperate giants responsible for their behavior.

HOWEVER, understand that Lulzsec has also apparently attacked Nintendo, whether they chose to spare Nintendo, or were chased off my more severe security being in place is unknown. I don't know enough about this organization or it's integrity to say. Given that on the surface this appears to be a situation where they are attacking places indiscriminantly I can't really say I feel sorry for them here. At least not with the information I currently have.

I would however not count on this as being a victory yet. All we know is that the FBI has someone in custody who might be a member. Given the way hackers hide their trails and try and create false positives this guy could just be some poor slob that has nothing to do with anything. Even if he IS involved, it remains to be seen what can actually be proven. I notice the article says they have him in custody for the moment, but whether they can hold, prosecute, and/or convict him remains to be seen. Unless the guy admits involvement and cuts some kind of a deal, this is ultimatly meaningless until it goes to court and we have a ruling which could take years.

Unless I'm missing something, looking at previous efforts to bust hackers, the way this sounds is that there are decent odds that he's going to turn out to be some poor slob who doesn't know anything about this.

In another thread I posted a link about "Operation Sun Devil" which was an effort by The US Secret Service to crack down on hackers. The operation took place over 15 differant cities and they wound up with 3 arrests... and well, it's complicated, but let's just say each of those arrests is a story unto itself.

That's old news as I don't follow this stuff too closely (I'm hardly a hacker fanboy) but when the FBI or other authorities scream "we caught a hacker!!!!" I have my doubts, especially seeing even if they did catch one actually proving anything in a real court can be difficult, especially in the US with that pesky "fruit of the poisoned vine" bit, which when it comes to purely electronic crimes can mean all the defense attorney has to do is poke a hole in one bit and *poof* everything goes away.

 

[Zaik]

If I was these guys, I would throw a generator and a throwaway laptop in the back of an old van and just roll around town until I found an unsecured wireless network and do everything from it.

The FBI, and police in general, are still operating off this silly idea that an IP = a person. When you hear about the FBI grabbing someone, you toss the old laptop, buy a new one, and hunt for a different unsecured network.

Easy.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait

Uh yeah because we couildn't play Socom for about a month because some fuckers had to prove a point, which do they have a point? I mean their own name even implies, they're just doing it for the Lulz.

Lulzsec is the equivalent of the Batmen at the start of The Dark Knight movie, a bunch of guys in hockey pads trying to impersonate Anon.

Trying to impersonate...ugh. Anonymous isn't a single group. That's the whole point of it. It's...

Nevermind. I've gone over this a good many times, and it never seems to stick.

Yes yes Anon is a legionious group of members with a trusted set of ideals, not anyone person blah blah blah.

You do realize how fucking hard it is to talk about Anon in conversation right? *sigh*

Wait, what? No, not at all. Anonymous isn't a group "with a trusted set of ideals" or stuff like that. Anonymous is the internet equivalent of a ski mask: it's a cover to be worn when you want to do something that you might not want your name attached to. And while the FBI and such don't look at an armed robbery and say, "My God! That's the thousandth crime by the Ski Mask Bandit this month! How can he cross the country so quickly?" they still somehow think that if they look hard enough, eventually they'll find the Anonymous Command Center or something.

It's more then a generic ski-mask. Anon has become a symbol.

Think of it like a Batman mask, but it's constantly passed from person to person. In this scenario, anyone can be Batman because Batman is the description rather then a name.

 

[CrazyCapnMorgan]

Finally, i was getting tired hearing about this guy.

but seriously, what this guy was doing was pretty selfish.

~.^

You do understand LulzSec isn't just one guy, right?

Also, the Escapist's obsession with prison rape is... disturbing.

What if they got the wrong guy? Has anyone read <url=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.289675-Looks-like-LulzSec-is-in-trouble#11485339>Dexter111's post on the first page?

I have and, indeed, have thought about the possibility that Lulzsec might have used his IP or computer as a proxy. The probability of that is somewhat high, given LS's technical prowess.

As for the rape thing...well, when perceived "injustice" done by one faction is met with a response from the other, what do you expect most people to do? Manicures? Yoga?

No - they'll do what is been proven time and again to be the norm: give in to their hatred and rage at the expense of all other mental faculties. Just for teh lulz. See also: Daniel Ellsberg and Bradley Manning.