I just want to point out that internet jurisdiction is different from regular terra firma jurisdiction here. You actually can't go "lol I'm in another country, can't touch me!" with that. They can still go after you.Jamboxdotcom said:
Looks like LulzSec is in trouble
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Yeah. I was mostly mentioning that in connection to the idea that the FBI should be looking for Al Qaeda...which would largely be focused on other countries, ergo not the FBI's job. Aside from any Al Qaeda who may have already infiltrated, of course. But that's another story...FalloutJack said:
I'm aware of that fact. Have been for years.Jeffrey Rodriguez said:
See, legally, you own the hardware, but these companies are getting smart and are virtually moving that line of ownership into their territory by legally chaining you and your unit together with mandatory services.
Just as another example:
The 3DS has an EULA and it states that Nintendo has the right to brick your system if they even suspect you are a pirate. Yes, you technically own the hardware, but since you aren't legally allowed to touch the firmware or the operating system, once it's bricked, all you own is a proprietary paperweight.
So knowing that, from a legal point, owning the hardware is practically useless.
So after the 14 people for quoted me and spammed my "quoted" mailbox, here is my reply: A lot of people stated that the Federal Bureau of Investigation has only Domestic juristiction. Well, for those of you who don't know, Al Queida still actively recruits members within the United States, in case you've forgotten the Fort Hood shooting and the attempted Times Square bombing. Both of those were perpetrated by American citizens recruited by Al Queida. Al Queida U.S. exists and is a LEGITIMATE DOMESTIC THREAT. One person compared the my example and the Sony hackings as a murder to a mugging. Just like with those two actual crimes, while the Police will do a lot more to stop a murderer, you're pretty much on your own when dealing with a mugger (at least in MY experiences). If you aren't willing to take the necessary steps to protect yourself, or if you invest your money or personal info with people who don't take protecting your stuff seriously, than you WILL be robbed.
Some people have said that LulzSec IS a threat to National Security, but this is already just complete bull****. LulzSec already stated that the reason they did this was to show the Sony customers that Sony did not take protecting their personal info seriously. If one needs to dirty their hands to do that, than that's what they'll do. So what? It's not like they're trying to hack Lockeed Martin, like the Anons did. It's no threat to national security if 1/300th of the population suddenly has their names and birthdays on the web. Millions of people put most of the info that the hackers sole (names, birthdays, and e-mail addresses) are on Facebook anyway. I'll give ye credit card info, though. Point is, no-one cares if hackers have that credit-card info, as fraud is easily detected these days.
I consider LulzSec a petty nuisance more than a threat. They could hack Nintendo, Microsoft, Valve, or even Mojang AB for all I care. Videogames are things we could all use a little less of every once in a while. These guys don't seem to have the interest or the ability or capacity, or even support to become a real national security threat, like the guys who hacked Lockeed.
Some people have said that LulzSec IS a threat to National Security, but this is already just complete bull****. LulzSec already stated that the reason they did this was to show the Sony customers that Sony did not take protecting their personal info seriously. If one needs to dirty their hands to do that, than that's what they'll do. So what? It's not like they're trying to hack Lockeed Martin, like the Anons did. It's no threat to national security if 1/300th of the population suddenly has their names and birthdays on the web. Millions of people put most of the info that the hackers sole (names, birthdays, and e-mail addresses) are on Facebook anyway. I'll give ye credit card info, though. Point is, no-one cares if hackers have that credit-card info, as fraud is easily detected these days.
I consider LulzSec a petty nuisance more than a threat. They could hack Nintendo, Microsoft, Valve, or even Mojang AB for all I care. Videogames are things we could all use a little less of every once in a while. These guys don't seem to have the interest or the ability or capacity, or even support to become a real national security threat, like the guys who hacked Lockeed.
This pretty much covers what they did so far http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.288904-LulzSec-hacks-Nintendo-takes-control-of-the-FBI-and-challenges-NATOJacobShaftoe said:Nope, sure haven't, but then I also don't run an even moderately successful drycleaning business, so my ability to empathise with the victims of these heinous crimes is almost nil.UnmotivatedSlacker said:
I can garner as much distain for hackers as I can for childhood immunisation. A few adverse effects for some leading to far better immunity outcomes for the vast majority = a win for humanity. Better the people who do it for the lulz and brag about it than those who keep it quiet for the money eh?
PS: Feel free to educate me on why my cavalier attitude is unreasonable though, as, being scientifically minded, I actually get a kick out of being proved wrong or convinced of anothers position, it helps me feel that, on the balance of probabilities, I'm more likely to be right about random crap than not
What lulzsec did was not "right" but I would say it was "necessary". I mean, if you have a big corporation that breaks its promises, tramples the little guys underfoot, and sues people who exercise their right to alter their own property, you are not going to stop them from being dicks by writing letters or holding protests. When big corporations play by their own rules and can do damn near anything they want, SOMEBODY has to hold them accountable. The courts aren't going to do it, the government is in the corp's pockets, so that just leaves the vigilante option.
Just like I would support the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I support Lulzsec. it is unfortunate that innocent people are hurt in the process, but you can't make the proverbial omelet without breaking some eggs. There is ALWAYS a cost to holding the big guys accountable, but its one that should be paid.
Just like I would support the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I support Lulzsec. it is unfortunate that innocent people are hurt in the process, but you can't make the proverbial omelet without breaking some eggs. There is ALWAYS a cost to holding the big guys accountable, but its one that should be paid.
They only posted the information of people who are with Sony online, so if people hadn't gone with Sony in the first place (the people who are SUPPOSED to care about protecting people's info) then they wouldn't have to worry about all their info posted online.Sikratua said:
I'm honestly having a hard time putting into words how idiotic your comment is.AMMO Kid said:
So, let me put this into a different situation. Don't worry, I'm not going to invoke the "she was asking for it" defense. You did that quite nicely.
Your friend loans you a copy of L.A. Noire. You put it into your system, and play for a bit. Then, you go to bed, because you have work the next day. While you're at work the next day, someone busts the deadbolt on your back door, and robs your house. Among what was taken was your friend's copy of L.A. Noire. By your logic, that theft is entirely your fault, because you didn't have a good enough deadbolt on the door.
But, then again, it's REALLY your friend's fault, because he loaned you that game, trusting you to not let anything happen to his property.
Yeah, that about sums up how scrotum punchingly stupid your reasoning turns out to be. Seriously, man... You fail logic forever.
White hat hacking? What's next white hat B&E? A crime is a crime. Since Sony and it's customers are the victims here, no matter what their security was like, I'm on Sony's side for this.tahrey said:
Let's try it another way. If I've got myself a car... and been acting like quite a dick for a while... charging my friends for rides even when I've ridden in theirs for free, not letting them borrow it or have details of mods I've done, amongst other non-automotive offenses... and then I leave all the financial dealings of a large social club I administer on the back seat - including the bank account details for each member, so their dues can be taken by direct debit - and go park said car in a shady part of town, without locking it... or turning off the engine... and it's stolen...Jeffrey Rodriguez said:
Well, sure, you need to go arrest the thief of course. Theft's theft. But you're not entirely going to be rooting for me in this situation, are you?
And, much like a little simulation "theft" I pulled on my mother one day (she keeps leaving car running with door open on driveway whilst going in and out for things... at one point where she's inside for a good couple of minutes I just hop in, back it out and park it outside the next-but-one neighbour's house), it shows "me", one who is in a position of trust when it comes to other people's sensitive data and financial dealings, that they really need to sort their fucking lives out. Particularly when in the past they've been so harsh about protecting their own interests to the point of effectively hacking legitimate users computers and making them unworkable (to continue analogising, taking a friend's keys away, for their own car, because "I had a dream you ran me down at a crosswalk and I don't want that to become a reality").
Arrest the thief if they don't return (or just burn) the dossier full of financially valuable info but use it for fraud, sure... but heck, it's hardly even car theft at this point. The insurers certainly wouldn't pay out, because you failed to even attempt to secure the thing. It's more like you were giving the people of Povertytown the present of a free car. I'd definitely get a chorus of forehead-slapping noises from the police officers attending the scene.
