Losing Faith in the Public Schooling System
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No, you petty much got it. A bit off, but no big dealMozared said:
I do know who John Steinbeck is, but I don't exactly see him as some type of revolutionary author. The work of his that I remember is Of Mice And Men, but evn that was pretty stale and boring IMO.stinkychops said:
The secret to primary school: Memorise words you are told and copy it into a book, stick those words on a piece of cardboard and get an A.
The secret to high school: Memorise everything you are told and parrot it back to a test sheet or class oral and get an award.
The secret to universty: Memorise everything you are told and parrot it back through synonyms and leading questions and get a career.
The secret to work: Memorise everthing you are told and live for the weekend.
The secret to high school: Memorise everything you are told and parrot it back to a test sheet or class oral and get an award.
The secret to universty: Memorise everything you are told and parrot it back through synonyms and leading questions and get a career.
The secret to work: Memorise everthing you are told and live for the weekend.
I went to a private school and my education there was wonderful. The teachers were kind and supportive as well as very intelligent. However once I got to college my faith in education faltered greatly. I had a few very good teachers, and then more who were, umm, not so much. Ignorance to the subject material and the reality of the world we live were among my pet peeves. Seriously I could have taught my chemistry class better.
I had the luck to go to a primary and high school that both had a very good reputation. In retrospect, I absolutely don't have the feeling I learned nothing there (except during classes like Greek or Latin) and I made a lot of friends. Both were also public schools, so in my opinion you can't say the public schooling system in general fails, it simply depends on the school.
Silver said:I've never had any faith in the public schooling system. Sure, it's taught me a lot, especially about social interaction, but it never taught me to learn, to study, which should be the most important thing to learn.
Now that I'm looking at trying to get more advanced education I find myself uncapable, not because I lack the knowledge I require to understand the courses, but because I was never taught to study. I am highly intelligent, and a very quick study. I read very quickly, and I can understand new concepts very easily. I'm not saying this to brag, I'm just stating a fact. The way public schooling looks today, this seemed to serve me well in the beginning, I had a very easy time in all subjects, my teachers joked I could skip ahead several classes and not miss anything, I could ace tests without opening the class literature, and this was all great for a while.
Unfortunately, since all my teachers did was praise me, I never learned. I never learned to do homework, to study, to finish up a lot of projects. My teachers knew I could do it, and much better than most anyone else in my class, or school for that matter. I was never asked to, and I never needed to.
Now, with university and similar, I have to study, I have to finish reports, quickly, I have to prove my knowledge. Even if I can understand most of the material of the course in days, I still have to sit there for all lectures, I still have to take notes and present them, I still have to write reports, write essays, about things I've already discounted, and moved on from. I still have to do all the assignements meant to teach, to get a grade. I'm not interested in grades, I'm interested in learning, but I'm not allowed that, because I new grades for more advanced classes.
Being a quick study has become a learning disorder, in the current system. I'm stuck. I can't get a job, I can't get grades. This isn't just whining, I'm as incapable of it as someone with any other learning disorder. I'm not lazy, I'm just not wired that way. What we learn when we're very young stays with us. I was literally taught in school that I didn't have to do anything, that all I had to do was learn. Now, when learning isn't enough, when understanding isn't enough, I don't know what to do. I was never prepared for this situation. I'm currently a drop-out, with several failed classes, and slim chances of finding a job, much less a job I could do. I'm currently out of options. So much for the great public education.
One of the annoying things is that, there's no one to blame. If it was my fault, it would be good, but hell, when this would have mattered I was between 6 and 14. I was too young to understand what the consequences would be. I could blame my teachers, but they tried, and they only followed the rules they had, and they tried, at least some of them. I could try to blame the school, but it has very limited funding, and not enough resources to do anything. I could, and probably should blame my parents, but they are very unintelligent. They are unable to understand cause-and-effect, and it's not their fault they are unable to understand the consequences of their actions, or that they weren't intelligent enough to see, or fix the problem. It's not their fault, it's a genetic fluke. They've tried their best (and failed miserably, without accomplishing much) in raising me and my sister. That their best meant I had to take care of them, explain things to them, is not their fault. They're not to blame. And since I don't believe in a higher power, I can't blame God either.
Thanks for providing a place for my rant.I know this sounds like arrogance, and pride, but honestly, it isn't. I'm past that. I don't take pride in my intelligence, I'm not responsible for it, it would be like taking pride in anything else I can't control, like that I was born with brown hair, or that the sun rises. I see a problem, one that I know will affect other people as well, and that's the more serious part. I know first-hand what will happen to them, and that their potential will be as squashed as mine. I've given up for myself, I often dream about going back, about finding a way to get the education I deserve, the kind of education that would help rather than hinder, like when you see those "super-smart" "gifted" kids on tv, and they get sent to special schools, but I know I can't. The only thing I can, at least try to, do is make sure no one else has to go through the same thing. I know people will just think I'm being a jerk trying to make myself seem smart, and that I'm just whining when I should just do something about it, believe me, I know how this sounds, and believe me when I say I really don't care if that's the case.
Holy shit, I have a clone?
That gym matters for passing, that not every teacher is like my 11th grade US history teacher (if he was everyones teacher for everything, the world would be a wonderful place) ((and obviously knew what he was teaching))
I did horrible in school, because its too structured for me.
I did horrible in school, because its too structured for me.
i was homeschooled.
give me the envy you know you want to!
my mom gave me all my assignments at the begining of the week, i read textbooks all day, wrote at least two papers, at least one of them literature based, every week. math i did every day, and hated it. i was not a straight A student, mostly Bs with a few Cs(mostly math) and my social confidence is still lacking; but i'm doing fine in college now.
all i have to say is, why would anyone have any faith in the public school system? i've heard stories of good teachers, but far more of bad teachers. most people who graduate and go on to college lead succsesful lives, but do you actually learn anything in school?
give me the envy you know you want to!
my mom gave me all my assignments at the begining of the week, i read textbooks all day, wrote at least two papers, at least one of them literature based, every week. math i did every day, and hated it. i was not a straight A student, mostly Bs with a few Cs(mostly math) and my social confidence is still lacking; but i'm doing fine in college now.
all i have to say is, why would anyone have any faith in the public school system? i've heard stories of good teachers, but far more of bad teachers. most people who graduate and go on to college lead succsesful lives, but do you actually learn anything in school?
Yea, just losing it now? I lost faith waaaay back in Fifth Grade when a fellow classmate with mental problems (apparently there was no 'special kids' class in my school) went on a rampage and destroyed half the classroom and broke a majority of the windows. You know who got blamed? A group of three girls were blamed. Yea. It's just gotten worse since then.
We just had to carry them, and we couldn't leave things in our lockers after school.bernthalbob616 said:
I guess they think someone is gonna sneak in a gun or try to poison someone since its the only bag we were allowed to take in.
Lemme see, my Sophmore year history teacher thought the Soviet Union was started after world war 2. My Civics teacher in that year, on DAY ONE described totalitarianism but instead called it communism (I'm not a communist I've just read the manifesto). We also wasted valuable time in math class watching "An Inconvenient Truth", and as a result I was pretty fucked the next year since we were reviewing things I never learned.
Silver said:I've never had any faith in the public schooling system. Sure, it's taught me a lot, especially about social interaction, but it never taught me to learn, to study, which should be the most important thing to learn.
Now that I'm looking at trying to get more advanced education I find myself uncapable, not because I lack the knowledge I require to understand the courses, but because I was never taught to study. I am highly intelligent, and a very quick study. I read very quickly, and I can understand new concepts very easily. I'm not saying this to brag, I'm just stating a fact. The way public schooling looks today, this seemed to serve me well in the beginning, I had a very easy time in all subjects, my teachers joked I could skip ahead several classes and not miss anything, I could ace tests without opening the class literature, and this was all great for a while.
Unfortunately, since all my teachers did was praise me, I never learned. I never learned to do homework, to study, to finish up a lot of projects. My teachers knew I could do it, and much better than most anyone else in my class, or school for that matter. I was never asked to, and I never needed to.
Now, with university and similar, I have to study, I have to finish reports, quickly, I have to prove my knowledge. Even if I can understand most of the material of the course in days, I still have to sit there for all lectures, I still have to take notes and present them, I still have to write reports, write essays, about things I've already discounted, and moved on from. I still have to do all the assignements meant to teach, to get a grade. I'm not interested in grades, I'm interested in learning, but I'm not allowed that, because I new grades for more advanced classes.
Being a quick study has become a learning disorder, in the current system. I'm stuck. I can't get a job, I can't get grades. This isn't just whining, I'm as incapable of it as someone with any other learning disorder. I'm not lazy, I'm just not wired that way. What we learn when we're very young stays with us. I was literally taught in school that I didn't have to do anything, that all I had to do was learn. Now, when learning isn't enough, when understanding isn't enough, I don't know what to do. I was never prepared for this situation. I'm currently a drop-out, with several failed classes, and slim chances of finding a job, much less a job I could do. I'm currently out of options. So much for the great public education.
One of the annoying things is that, there's no one to blame. If it was my fault, it would be good, but hell, when this would have mattered I was between 6 and 14. I was too young to understand what the consequences would be. I could blame my teachers, but they tried, and they only followed the rules they had, and they tried, at least some of them. I could try to blame the school, but it has very limited funding, and not enough resources to do anything. I could, and probably should blame my parents, but they are very unintelligent. They are unable to understand cause-and-effect, and it's not their fault they are unable to understand the consequences of their actions, or that they weren't intelligent enough to see, or fix the problem. It's not their fault, it's a genetic fluke. They've tried their best (and failed miserably, without accomplishing much) in raising me and my sister. That their best meant I had to take care of them, explain things to them, is not their fault. They're not to blame. And since I don't believe in a higher power, I can't blame God either.
Thanks for providing a place for my rant.
HOLY SHIT. I HAVE TWO CLONES?!?!londelen said:
For me, it was in second grade. While listening to a teacher read a story. She asked the circle of kids whether they thought the protagonist was going to live or not. I responded, (cheekily, perhaps), that of course he lives because the story would be over if he didn't. I was sent into a different part of the room by myself...Now in my senior year, I've lost all faith in public schooling. When I read the title of the thread I wondered whether or not the poster had made it through preschool yet, because it's really that bad.
I feel not so much that I don't deserve the grades I get (4.0) as the classes are much too easy. Every year I've sat, and this last one slept, through countless repititions of discovering how much last year's teacher managed to teach in between teaching the standardized test, being "taught" material for that year's test, and then easily raping the test. The stuff I am doing in calculas now I feel I should have been learning in ninth grade.
It's not like I try hard-I do my work, sure, but study? what is that? why for? ;p
I have been really worried that I'll end up screwed after high school because I was never taught to learn or study or any of that. I do believe school is what you make of it, but that only gets you so far. Sorry for the overly-long post...
Enjoy cooking and talking about cooking and thinking about cooking for the rest of your life.Alpha Centauri said:
Also, how did you find out you want to cook? Perhaps others are fascinated by history just like you are with cooking. It's worth being schooled about everything in general while you grow up so you have the general gist of the world and so that you may find out what you ultimately want to be.
I'm beginning to suspect that there's something really wrong somewhere. I just don't know if it's really our environment that is the main cause of the problem, or that we were too lazy, because I'm basically reading my own lives here.Infallible Fail said:
I was always praised how I could get through school easily, but then when I got older I found myself confused by how I failed to be in the top. I never really cared about any grades, be it good or bad, so I just stopped caring about school whatsoever. I'm repeating the last year of highschool with people all around me screaming how I could've done it better and how I have potential.