Love....do you believe in it???

[Specter_]

Is love real? yes. Is it what everybody thinks it is? No

Love isn't a magical moment where suddenly you and the person said love is associated with live happily ever after. Love is the willingness to put up with their shit. To stick by them when they need it and support them when they can't stand. Love, I guess, is where you have two people who do all this for each other, and smile when doing it. Yes, you will get angry at each other, and yes, there will be rough patches, but at the end of the day, if you're still smiling, that's love.

/thread

This guy said it all.

 

[Crowghast]

No. [/funny]

 

[SmartIdiot]

No. Love is purely an illusion to disguise peoples fears of dying alone and that's the truth. Most people know it, but won't admit it. No one really 'loves' anyone else. It's just a replacement blanket to cling onto when times are hard. I thought people were meant to grow up after a certain age. Either that or become cripplingly bitter and jaded. Or be 21 and still angry.

But seriously it is an illusion to mask fear of being alone.

 

[JMeganSnow]

But seriously it is an illusion to mask fear of being alone.

Not at all, but it is true that you can't love someone if you're afraid of being alone. Only independent, self-made people can truly love, and you love the people who embody what you believe is good. If you don't really believe in virtue, you can't love. If you don't strive to be virtuous and deserve to *be* loved, you can't love. If you believe that real virtue is *impossible* to flawed humans, you can't love. At best, you can cobble together some shallow mishmash of relief from strain, comforting familiarity, and fear of loneliness.

Love is an attainment, an achievement as difficult as it is rare, to paraphrase Spinoza. Those who don't believe in it have simply abandoned attainment for one reason or another. But it can be recaptured if you're willing to embrace the necessary prerequisites and work to fulfill them.

 

[Malkavian]

It exists. And I don't care if it's just a biological reaction, a spiritual feeling, or what...
It exists. I have felt it, with one person. It is the most wonderful, destroying, uplifting, devastating, soultearing, euphoric emotion in the world.

 

[SmartIdiot]

But seriously it is an illusion to mask fear of being alone.

...At best, you can cobble together some shallow mishmash of relief from strain, comforting familiarity, and fear of loneliness...

But it's not love is it?

EDIT: And yeah I took the bait.

 

[Dark343]

If love DOES exist, I cetainly haven't expirenced it. But I've seen what it does to people... what it's turnes them into. My answer is somewhat influenced by the fact that I am very jaded emotionally and socially inept.

 

[JMeganSnow]

But seriously it is an illusion to mask fear of being alone.

...At best, you can cobble together some shallow mishmash of relief from strain, comforting familiarity, and fear of loneliness...

But it's not love is it?

EDIT: And yeah I took the bait.

It, um, helps if you read AND QUOTE the ENTIRE POST, you know, the one where I said that it requires certain character traits to achieve love, and that if you LACK them, my statement above applies.

No, it's not love, but that doesn't mean that love doesn't exist, only that it's not something that randomly falls out of the sky.

 

[McClaud]

But seriously it is an illusion to mask fear of being alone.

...At best, you can cobble together some shallow mishmash of relief from strain, comforting familiarity, and fear of loneliness...

But it's not love is it?

EDIT: And yeah I took the bait.

It, um, helps if you read AND QUOTE the ENTIRE POST, you know, the one where I said that it requires certain character traits to achieve love, and that if you LACK them, my statement above applies.

No, it's not love, but that doesn't mean that love doesn't exist, only that it's not something that randomly falls out of the sky.

You tell 'em, JMeganSnow.

Honestly, I'm not afraid to die alone. I am afraid of dying and leaving my wife and child alone without enough support to help them live comfortably for a long time because I love them and don't want anything to happen to them.

 

[JMeganSnow]

Honestly, I'm not afraid to die alone. I am afraid of dying and leaving my wife and child alone without enough support to help them live comfortably for a long time because I love them and don't want anything to happen to them.

Fortunately for you, there's Life Insurance. Buy some. Write a will. Then you can be happy knowing that you did everything in your power to provide for them should something happen.

 

[SmartIdiot]

But seriously it is an illusion to mask fear of being alone.

...At best, you can cobble together some shallow mishmash of relief from strain, comforting familiarity, and fear of loneliness...

But it's not love is it?

EDIT: And yeah I took the bait.

It, um, helps if you read AND QUOTE the ENTIRE POST, you know, the one where I said that it requires certain character traits to achieve love, and that if you LACK them, my statement above applies.

No, it's not love, but that doesn't mean that love doesn't exist, only that it's not something that randomly falls out of the sky.

Hence why I put ellipses at the start and end of your quote(or paraphrase as it became). I'd hate to take anything out of context. I just wanted to focus on the particular point you'd made and I took that bait because I know you were looking for a genuine reaction from someone and you got it. Sometimes interesting dicussions arise from initially clashing points of view, or grinding arguements. I'm just looking for someone intelligent to talk to over to you. Come on, swing that baseball bat, I know you have something to make me think "fuck... I gotta come up with something GOOD to counter that!"

 

[Walrus42]

No. I believe "love" is an animalistic instinct to insure the continuation of a species, and yes, I got slapped for saying that.

Edit: It is also overly commercialized. If you don't believe me about that, watch a romantic comedy movie or a diamond store commercial.

 

[DJShire]

I'm a hopeless romantic, of course I do

 

[McClaud]

Honestly, I'm not afraid to die alone. I am afraid of dying and leaving my wife and child alone without enough support to help them live comfortably for a long time because I love them and don't want anything to happen to them.

Fortunately for you, there's Life Insurance. Buy some. Write a will. Then you can be happy knowing that you did everything in your power to provide for them should something happen.

Already done. My worry has more to do with security. I just want them to be safe, and live safely without me there. My wife has a hard time feeling safe without me, which I entirely understand as little as she is and as confused as she can get.

 

[Nintendostar]

I want to see it when we get through our heads that spending too much time with somebody makes you HATE them, even if you love them. That's why we should be like animals, where we just mate, have babies, then have the males kill the babies and eat their flesh. WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD WE LIVE IN!

 

[JMeganSnow]

Hence why I put ellipses at the start and end of your quote(or paraphrase as it became). I'd hate to take anything out of context. I just wanted to focus on the particular point you'd made and I took that bait because I know you were looking for a genuine reaction from someone and you got it. Sometimes interesting dicussions arise from initially clashing points of view, or grinding arguements. I'm just looking for someone intelligent to talk to over to you. Come on, swing that baseball bat, I know you have something to make me think "fuck... I gotta come up with something GOOD to counter that!"

But you haven't really made a point that I can refute. If you don't think that love exists, what facts point you to that conclusion? How do you define love, anyway? If your definition is significantly different than mine, any discussion will be at cross-purposes.

A discussion requires two active participants, you know.

 

[sky14kemea]

I can't come up with any other emotion that covers my relationship with chocolate.

the emotion called "yummy"?

sorry im not very funny...

i kinda believe in love, but not the "yay im so happy" feeling they show you in the movies