Love pirated music? So do I!

[E_nchanted]

Well sorry (slight sarcasm on my end) whe are not all as rich as you are, i think the main reason people pirate, is because whe just don't have the money to buy Cd/Dvd's

wow, are you serious? you think not having enough money is a good enough reason to steal things. Look here, dont have the money, you dont get it, get a job and save up.

Haha I laughed here, ok listen lad, short summery of my life, I go to school (30hours) I work (20 hours) a week, so don't go saying stuff if you're just a spoiled little brat, I have to use the money to keep myself alive, unlike you I don't have a mom that pays my sports/school/clothes or anything! I save money so i can go to college, get my drivers license and such sort. So yea if you don't have any money left, its ok to "steal".

"Its better to be a pirate, then to join the Navy" ~Steve Jobs

 

[S.H.A.R.P.]

I'm a pirate, harrrrr.

I do try to buy CD's of artists I like though (mostly more or less independent artists). I visit concerts too, and I guess that is the most important way to help them out.
But being a student, and having other priorities besides buying CD's, it is just too expensive to buy a lot of music (and I listen to lots of (different kinds of) music). I like having the CD case, and the original CD, but it is rather useless since I only use music on my PC or ipod. Yet the artists I listen to are often little known, and therefore can use the extra sales. I also pay for quality, e.g. I attended the Mattheus Passion for the price of EUR 50, and it was amazingly beautiful. I wouldn't dream of supporting some millionaire singer though. They've got plenty of money already.

I usually reason that I might as well record the sound from my TV when watching a movie clip, or rip the song from the radio or whatever, is that illegal? I don't exactly distribute it further anyway.

Sorry for the incoherent story, I am not fully awake yet.

Edit:

an artists revenue should be entirely funded by donations from their fans, as well as concerts. thats just my opinion, not only does it give the artist proper feedback on the quality of his/her work, but it also removes any middleman and provides a direct line between the artist and the.... fans(i hate that term) only in this manner will we cease to be music consumers and turn into music appreciators.

I like your reasoning. Sometimes when I pirate something, I had the idea of contributing directly because I liked it. It sounds rather silly, but if it's common practise, I'd definitely do it.

 

[bad rider]

Piracy both helps and hinders the industry. Without piracy the industry would grow into a dictoral overseers which would turn into a pay per listen type thing with whatever DRM software they can put on there. On the flip side piracy is the voice of a community trying to counteract this, also piracy means songs get spread futher and wider meaning people will actual buy future albums from the artist. Then again the industry does try and promote CD's in a fair fashion and more often than not pirates aren't going to buy the CD they can download for free. So I feel that having both extremes allows both industry's survive. I mean I'm pretty sure if they could get away with it to even listen to an album you may consider purchasing a corporation would happily do it at your expense.
(sorry that sounded very hippy with corporations are bad man, fight the power)

However you can't ignore piracy is fundamentaly wrong, stealing is stealing and you can't get round it by pointing fingers and shouting they are bad. That is a defence technique to make you feel better about what you are doing, much like someone who kills another person would justify it saying they deserved it for x reason. So it's a Robin Hood, except instead of the childhood version, he steals from anyone and gives to everyone. Often this will hurt big buinesses as well as small artists, but in doing so stops the big buisness from becoming corrupt, because as we all know the coruption has to lie somewhere. So piracy in my opinion is a necessary evil. I don't agree with it, without it we would be worse off.

 

[Cxizent]

excuse me but i dont think you should be talking about engaging in piracy around the forums, its one way to get disliked or banned.

i personally like buying cds,movies and games because
1. i like having the boxes and
2. i know some musicians and i enjoy making game mods so i understand the effort they go through to make these.

dont pirate people, it is stealing, and you should not think it of anything less

The boxes? I can see this being the most crucial and pivotal point of all in this debate.

 

[toxic_waster]

Haha I laughed here, ok listen lad, short summery of my life, I go to school (30hours) I work (20 hours) a week, so don't go saying stuff if you're just a spoiled little brat, I have to use the money to keep myself alive, unlike you I don't have a mom that pays my sports/school/clothes or anything! I save money so i can go to college, get my drivers license and such sort. So yea if you don't have any money left, its ok to "steal".

hey, welcome to live mate, next time come prepared. if your having troubles with money thats your problem, just dont think its ok to steal while us law-abiding citizens pay for our shit.

 

[Voicuboyy]

Why pay money for music when you can download it for free? To help the artists?
Please. Most people just download it off limewire, along with movies. I love being able to listen to music thats free to me. Any one else with me?

hah! HELP artists .. hah! i say... my computer is full of pirated music

 

[y8c616]

excuse me but i dont think you should be talking about engaging in piracy around the forums, its one way to get disliked or banned.

i personally like buying cds,movies and games because
1. i like having the boxes and
2. i know some musicians and i enjoy making game mods so i understand the effort they go through to make these.

dont pirate people, it is stealing, and you should not think it of anything less

This^
It's people with an attitude like the OP who are responsible for the state of the music industry today

 

[fix-the-spade]

Well sorry (slight sarcasm on my end) whe are not all as rich as you are, i think the main reason people pirate, is because whe just don't have the money to buy Cd/Dvd's

If you were talking about food, bedding or even toilet roll that argument would hold some water.

As it is you are talking about music, games and films. They are not an essential, you do not need them to live, if you don't have the money then you don't get them. Besides, between Youtube, the Radio and TV you should have all the access to all three you would ever need.
Maybe you should look at legal free downloads or hit the nearest pawn shop, plenty of super cheap films there. Or look at your spending and see where you're wasting money.
No dea about you personally but I know plenty of 'poor' people who smoke and drink their way through £100+ a week, then question where I have the money for dvd's, cd's, books, bike parts etc.

Anyway, the point is "I don't have the money," is not a valid excuse to steal luxury goods!

 

[Citrus]

The problem is that there is no (realistic) incentive to trudge to the store and pay $20 for an album when the opportunity is available to stay at home and download the music straight on to your computer for no charge and with no consequences. For most people, this is hardly a choice.

It's a bit too late at this point to try to enforce any consequences. The will to download music is inherent in people, as it is clearly most beneficial to them, even if it isn't benefiting anybody else. This is at the root of human nature. So long as there is music and the internet, people will find ways to download it.

The real problem is with CDs, and purchasable music in general. If there were a significant benefit added to purchasing music (a CD case doesn't cut it) then more people would do so, and less people would download their music illegally. What this benefit could be is up for speculation, but it's my opinion that it would require collaboration not only from the artists and producers, but outside companies as well, such as Apple. And no, I'm not talking about anything along the lines of DRM.

In other news, artists are beginning to realize that the big money comes from live performances.

 

[Yoshi Bassist]

Why pay money for music when you can download it for free? To help the artists?
Please. Most people just download it off limewire, along with movies. I love being able to listen to music thats free to me. Any one else with me?

To help the freaking artists? Do you even realise the idiocy of your statement?

Go sit in a corner. Just go.

Also die in that corner.
Just because you want it for free doesn't mean you should have it, you did nothing to earn that music, twits like you are killing the music industry.

Well it sounds like some one doesnt like me. You dont know wether or not i have earned it. So dont say i havent, unless you're spying on me, in which case stop. If you dont "pirate" music, fine, just dont get mad at me and tell me to die. For all you know i saved 50 orphans from a burning building i do deserve the music.

 

[AlphaOmega]

Honestly i download music off the net, but if im a fan of the artist (and i would only download from bands i like) i just hear a few songs and then buy the album.

Aye, if its a artist i see potential in I d/l it then buy it later

also due to the netherlands not having enough DnB for sale I only buy albums and stuff every few months off amazon and the likes.

 

[E_nchanted]

Well sorry (slight sarcasm on my end) whe are not all as rich as you are, i think the main reason people pirate, is because whe just don't have the money to buy Cd/Dvd's

If you were talking about food, bedding or even toilet roll that argument would hold some water.

As it is you are talking about music, *games and *films. They are not an essential, *you do not need them to live, if you don't have the money then you don't get them. *Besides, between Youtube, the Radio and TV you should have all the access to all three you would ever need.
Maybe you should look at legal free downloads or hit the nearest pawn shop, plenty of super cheap films there. Or look at your spending and see where you're wasting money.
*No dea about you personally but I know plenty of 'poor' people who smoke and drink their way through £100+ a week, then question where I have the money for dvd's, cd's, books, bike parts etc.

Anyway, the point is "I don't have the money," is not a valid excuse to steal luxury goods!

* Never typed the word "Games even one's"
* Never typed the word "Video's' even one's"
* So you're saying I don't need music to live? you think its acceptable to only do things for the system a.k.a. working etc. listen pall, what you say, might sound true at first but if you have nowhere to escape reality ( like music ) you would end up trying to kill you're self, did you know about 60% of the children (age range 12-18) is stressed out and depressed, what would happen to those people if they didn't had music/videogames. You think those people should just die because they can't effort to pay for these things?
* Posting Music Video's on Youtube is just as illegal as downloading it.
* No, you don't know me.

Point I'm trying to make is, I don't think music is a luxury good, you need it to keep up the mood.

 

[Yoshi Bassist]

Well sorry (slight sarcasm on my end) whe are not all as rich as you are, i think the main reason people pirate, is because whe just don't have the money to buy Cd/Dvd's

If you were talking about food, bedding or even toilet roll that argument would hold some water.

As it is you are talking about music, *games and *films. They are not an essential, *you do not need them to live, if you don't have the money then you don't get them. *Besides, between Youtube, the Radio and TV you should have all the access to all three you would ever need.
Maybe you should look at legal free downloads or hit the nearest pawn shop, plenty of super cheap films there. Or look at your spending and see where you're wasting money.
*No dea about you personally but I know plenty of 'poor' people who smoke and drink their way through £100+ a week, then question where I have the money for dvd's, cd's, books, bike parts etc.

Anyway, the point is "I don't have the money," is not a valid excuse to steal luxury goods!

* Never typed the word "Games even one's"
* Never typed the word "Video's' even one's"
* So you're saying I don't need music to live? you think its acceptable to only do things for the system a.k.a. working etc. listen pall, what you say, might sound true at first but if you have nowhere to escape reality ( like music ) you would end up trying to kill you're self, did you know about 60% of the children (age range 12-18) is stressed out and depressed, what would happen to those people if they didn't had music/videogames. You think those people should just die because they can't effort to pay for these things?
* Posting Music Video's on Youtube is just as illegal as downloading it.
* No, you don't know me.

Point I'm trying to make is, I don't think music is a luxury good, you need it to keep up the mood.

Thank you very VERY much.

 

[Zer_]

When you buy a music CD the artist doesn't get a penny. All of it goes to the producer. The same thing goes for iTunes. SOME producer still work on a royalty based system but all big producers will not pay royalties and instead pay the artist a fixed rate and that's it.

Despite this the artist who MADE the music doesn't even have the rights to it. The movie industry is just as BS too. It's one of the main reasons why most video game films suck monkey balls, because corporate suits get their grubby hands on the unedited movies and makes terrible cuts to the storylines.

 

[Tattaglia]

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*dies*

Guess which side of the argument I'm on. Go on, guess!

 

[Inverse Skies]

So...
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Overusing...
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Can't...
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*dies*

Guess which side of the argument I'm on. Go on, guess!

Both, you're obviously fencesitting.

 

[Tattaglia]

So...
Much...
Stupidity...
Overusing...
Ellipses...
Can't...
Breathe...

*dies*

Guess which side of the argument I'm on. Go on, guess!

Both, you're obviously fencesitting.

Oh how I love being vague. Unfortunately, you are incorrect. You lose all of your Wacky Points, and I'm not revealing my true agenda until someone guesses it.

 

[junkmanuk]

Well it sounds like some one doesnt like me. You dont know wether or not i have earned it. So dont say i havent, unless you're spying on me, in which case stop. If you dont "pirate" music, fine, just dont get mad at me and tell me to die. For all you know i saved 50 orphans from a burning building i do deserve the music.

An interesting and paradoxical blend of meritocracy and communism there... Are you planning on entering politics?

You could always earn _money_ with your orphan saving exploits and spend the money on music.

Actually, the domain name www.orphansaving.com is available if you need a start point for your new business? The orphans could get say 5% of the total donations - that should give you a tidy profit to purchase music with. Of course, people might protest that you're not passing on your huge profits and start saving orphans without your help, but you can always take legal action against them for stealing your profits.

...I need to drink less coffee...

 

[Inverse Skies]

Oh how I love being vague. Unfortunately, you are incorrect. You lose all of your Wacky Points, and I'm not revealing my true agenda until someone guesses it.

I had a 50/50 chance and went for option C. You can't get much stupider than that lol.