Hey, I'm no Imperialist here, I play Eldar. And occasionally by brother's Tau army. Doesn't it even state in the fluff that the psykers are sacrificed to provide the power anyway, and the Emperor merely guides it?Melanie McGreevey said:
Lovecraft vs. Warhammer!
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If it was a game of just as planned the Warhammer universe by a mile in my opinion but in an open fight I'd say probably Lovecraft.
Well the problem with Warhammer fluff is that it gets retconned so much. Where something might have been the greatest threat in the universe in one codex it suddenly becomes weak in another. Sizes of armies change radically, powers jump around, and nothing ever really happens. I still find the codexs interesting reads in themselves but they are by no means truly concrete. Still if you want to jump in just pick a codex or book up. Doesn't matter where just jump in where ever you feel like it.imahobbit4062 said:
Actually Nyarlathotep would probably be closer to Slaanesh than Tzeentch. In Lovecraft Mythos Nyarlathotep was described as being the most similar to mortals in terms of its mindset, it was a being devoted to the corruption and degeneration of humanity much in the same way that Slaanesh does in the Warhammer 40k universe.Kahunaburger said:
Most of the Chaos Gods have a Lovecraftian analogue:
Tzeetch bears the most resemblance to Yog-Sothoth with his 'Thousands of faces and facets' and lacking any definite form.
Slaanesh, as I said, I most similiar to Slaanesh for the reasons above.
Hastur AKA The Unnameable One would probably be similar to Nurgle in terms of personality and action.
Khorne is the only one that doesn't really have a Lovecraftian counterpart, he's visceral war and bloodshed which wasn't really Lovecraft's thing.
You have on one side the entire pantheon of Chaos Gods, vast is their power and armies. On the other, you have a being who, if he so much as becomes aware of something, that thing ceases to exist. It doesn't die, it unbecomes. Yeah...no contest. Azathoth beats anything.
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You can't judge the Lovecraft Gods by Cthulhu, he is considered the weak ***** of the Mythos, Azathoth would just become aware of the piss-ant(no offense compared to Azathoth everything is piss-ant) Chaos Gods and they would no longer exist. True story.ScreamingNinja said:
captcha: magical realism I don't think any kind realism works with the Lovecraft Mythos.
That would be Azathoth, most people here seem to ascribe Azathoth as an analogue to Tzeentch but that's not really accurate. In the Lovecraft mythos Azathoth wasn't even really sentient. He was described by Lovecraft in The Haunter in the Dark: "the ancient legends of Ultimate Chaos, at whose center sprawls the blind idiot god Azathoth, Lord of All Things, encircled by his flopping horde of mindless and amorphous dancers, and lulled by the thin monotonous piping of a demonic flute held in nameless paws."dyre said:
So in terms of the Warhammer Universe Azathoth would more likely be an analogue to the insidious corruption native to the Warp itself or as Chaos Undivided rather than a single Ruinous Power.
Lovecraft's stories may individually mostly be set on earth, but his Mythos is set on a cosmic, interdimensional or inter-reality (is that a thing) scale. The way Lovecraft wrote is that most of his 'monsters' don't generally make appearances, they're characterised by the fact that just knowledge of them existing is enough to cause harm. Certainly to humans anyway.thaluikhain said:
The gods in the cthulhu mythos (fun fact, august derleth coined that, lovecraft jokingly called it the Yog Sothothery) are generally split into the Great Old Ones and the Outer Gods. The Great Old Ones, like Cthulhu, have a definite location and form and are mostly very powerful beings that view humanity as ants, so you could argue the 40k gods might give them a run for their money, my bet is still on Bokrug to kick some Tzeentch arse though. And Outer Gods, like Yog Sothoth and Azathoth whom do not view humanity at all, because we're so insignificant and I think the 40k universe has nothing on that, so go Yog Sothoth! you are my gate.
Or Khorne would just lay waste to his face and make him sad and die. Problem soooolved!Darknacht said:thaluikhain said:You can't judge the Lovecraft Gods by Cthulhu, he is considered the weak ***** of the Mythos, Azathoth would just become aware of the piss-ant(no offense compared to Azathoth everything is piss-ant) Chaos Gods and they would no longer exist. True story.ScreamingNinja said:
captcha: magical realism I don't think any kind realism works with the Lovecraft Mythos.
The thing about Lovecraft was, mortals are not exempt: there is always, ALWAYS something bigger, stronger, and more alien than the last guy. The Chaos Gods are just manifestations of our own baser desires - potent and maddening, to be sure, but still based on what we understand at our most primal levels.
The "Elder Things" of Lovecraft are the complete opposite. They aren't evil per se, they simply don't comprehend such things as morality and mortality. Its presence destroys us the same way our own presence destroys bacteria in our intestines: we aren't aware of it on any level, it's just the way we are.
And anything that can just sweep the galaxy clean with a stray thought like that, removing the source of the Chaos God's essence, has automatically won any battle. The galaxy is emptied and the Chaos Gods dissolve back into nothing.
...Then the Elder Things are themselves consumed by their own "Chaos God" equivalents from the Warp, beings so immeasurably frightening and unnatural that they corrupt the Elder Things. And they themselves are destroyed when something even worse shows up. The cycle goes on. Even death may die.
The "Elder Things" of Lovecraft are the complete opposite. They aren't evil per se, they simply don't comprehend such things as morality and mortality. Its presence destroys us the same way our own presence destroys bacteria in our intestines: we aren't aware of it on any level, it's just the way we are.
And anything that can just sweep the galaxy clean with a stray thought like that, removing the source of the Chaos God's essence, has automatically won any battle. The galaxy is emptied and the Chaos Gods dissolve back into nothing.
...Then the Elder Things are themselves consumed by their own "Chaos God" equivalents from the Warp, beings so immeasurably frightening and unnatural that they corrupt the Elder Things. And they themselves are destroyed when something even worse shows up. The cycle goes on. Even death may die.
I don't think you understand Azathoth cannot be harmed in any way as soon as something comes in contact with Azathoth, or Azathoth even notices it exists, it no longer exists. Azathoth is an infinite being, an amorphous blight of nethermost confusion which blasphemes and bubbles at the center of all infinity beyond space and time on a curiously environed black throne at the centre of Chaos. He created everything and if he ever becomes aware of it he will destroy it.ScreamingNinja said:
