Lucas Cared More About Toys, Says Star Wars Producer

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Extraintrovert

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I don't understand this at all. How could a change to the ending affect toy sales? The Dark Knight still inexplicably mananges to sell things despite being ridiculously bleak. Perhaps Lucas simply wanted Star Wars to end happily, like nearly every other story like it in existence. And as for toys, I see more Darth Vader merchandise than anything else related to Star Wars, yet no-one accuses the first film of the things this article implies.

And finally, the reason Ewoks were included instead of Wookies was because from almost the very beginning the script included a primitive group triumphing over a technologically superior adversary, and Wookies had already been established as mechanically proficient; it wouldn't have worked (I don't agree with it, but that's what happened).
 

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Ironic Pirate said:
Well, this proves that George shares more than dialogue writing ability with five year olds.
Heh, that was pretty good.

OT: If Return of the Jedi had the same "oh shit oh shit oh shit" tone as The Empire Strikes Back, I probably would've liked it more. More "giant walkers are stomping over here to kill us dead", less "functionally retarded adults in plastic outfits getting their skulls caved by teddy bears dropping pebbles from hang-gliders", as it were. At the very least, if the Empire acted like a military force instead of the unfortunate victims of a Benny Hill skit... oh, what could have been...

Also, none of this surprises me, since every Star Wars documentary ever goes out of its way to say (paraphrased) "Lucas made the uncommon decision to demand heavy merchandising rights"... plus, the only reason the original trilogy didn't turn out the same way as the prequel trilogy is because there was a huge, competent team of professionals constantly overriding Lucas' enormously stupid mistakes. When he was given truly free reign, we got Ep I-III. The guy's a tosser.
 

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Johnnyallstar said:
Didn't Lucas already admit that Ewoks were simply to sell toys?

But Return of the Jedi wasn't so bad. The prequel trilogy, on the other hand, was ONLY to sell more stuff. If it wasn't, they would have actually invested in a coherent story.
That was Lucas's story. The reason the first three films were good is because Lucas was generally kept far, far away from the script.
I thought George Lucas wrote the script Episode IV: A New Hope? I know he directed it.

On Topic: I like the idea of the sad ending but I much prefer the happier ending that was used in Return Of The Jedi.
 

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Come on guys lay of George Lucas for god sakes the man's given the world so much by giving us Star Wars can anybody honestly say their lives haven't been changed somehow by this series of films.
As for the change of ending Star Wars is for children! Would any child ever want to see Han Solo sacrifice his life or Leia becoming a worn down Queen, in my opinion the 'ending' fitted the material perfectly. And those who really want some darker stuff afterwards go and look at the Extended Universe it carries on for ages.
 

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You know, when I was a kid I liked better Return of the Jedi than Empire Strikes Back because Empire was too dark for me at the time. Plus Return had some great battles.

But today I think that I would like to see the bitter ending for some reason.

I really think that this producer is saying the truth.
 

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Hubilub said:
[HEADING=1]WHAT IS THIS!?[/HEADING]

I could have gotten a bittersweet and poignant ending, one of my favorite kind of endings, but Lucas changed it!?

[HEADING=2]RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE[/HEADING]

I need to calm down with some Oldboy. Possibly do a run on Mass Effect 2 where everyone dies.
Yup, agreed with all.
 

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Lucas selling out for merchindise? ....Noooooo!!!

See what I did thar? But seriously we knew that much already..however not the different ending I didn't. That's a bit upsetting, especially since there might not have been those damned Ewoks.
 

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"Special effects are a tool. A means to tell the story. People have a tendancy to confuse them as the ends themselves. A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing."
- George Lucas, early 80's (wait, HE said that?)

"I think one of the problems... is the fact that he (Lucas) doesn't have more people around him who really challenge him"
- Gary Kurtz

This had been evident to most of us after TPM released, though I confirmed it when I found a website cataloging deleted scenes from the original trilogy. Irving Kirschner was responsible for rejecting a ? get this ? Wampa subplot in The Empire Strikes Back. Kirschner probably argued limited time and money couldn?t justify an elective and questionable sequence, and he won the argument. Incredible resources and total control fifteen years later, on the other hand, brought us something like the Gungan sea-monkey kingdom.

the people vs george lucas documentary
 

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It probably wouldn't have had any damn Ewalks in it ether, this ending sounds a lot better then the one it had.
 

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Moichendizing! Moichendizing! Where the REAL money from the movie is made!

Lucas himself pointed out that Star Wars is a fairy tale for children and that adult nerds who assign way too much emotional value to it need to grow up and get a life (or learn to love the massive amount of Extended Universe, novelization, and other stuff that turns the stuff laid out by the movies for kids into something for adults. *coughKotORcough*)
 

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Logic 0 said:
In the words of a great man "merchandiseing is where the money is!" as in for mr.lucas star wars is a business nothing more.
Didn't Mel Brooks say that in SpaceBalls when he unvieled all the Spaceballs merch?
Yes he did, but it still reigns true today because money is usually the driveing force for most things.
 

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Personally I liked the way Return of the Jedi turned out. If we had the darker ending then who knows how the Expanded Universe would have been. Then again I'm one of the few people who actually cares about the books.
Well, I think this is one of the problems with the Star Wars Universe and why it's such a mess to be honest.

On a lot of levels Star Wars is a pretty dark story. That universe as Lucas has more or less explains is one that is supposed to work on cycles. Basically you have a period where good reigns, then a period where evil reigns. In between each of these periods is a transition point of chaos where both are evenly matched, a period of balance, which lasts very briefly as the new moral polarity sets in. This entire thing is controlled by "The Force".

Star Wars is the tale of an era of light coming to an end, the good "Republic" falling to be replaced by a regime of evil. Prophicies are in place, and The Force is reducing the powers of the good guys while enhancing those of the bad guys. The big mistakes being made are on the good side, where as the prequels point out the good guys think that brining "Balance" to the force means that the chosen one (Anakin) is destined to destroy the rising Sith. Sadly when good reigns, the only place to go is down... and well, we see how it all turns out. Another big mistake being made is by Papaltine who believes that with the fall of the good guys (he understand things better than most characters at least as far as this goes) he and his "Galactic Empire" are going to be the foundation of the new era of darkness. This is not true as he forgets about the period of balance. It's noteworthy that Anakin is responsible for both exterminating the Jedi, but also then killing the Emperor and preventing the Empire from becoming the force it otherwise would have been.... the results a period of balanced chaos. Prophecy complete.

As popular as some of it might be, a lot of the "Expanded Universe" stuff is written by people who never really understood how the universe was supposed to work. In the end though Lucas doesn't much care about the purity of vision because (as this points out) he cares about money above and beyond anything. He pretty much figures that if he's still alive and ever has the intention he can do the same thing he did to the old "Hardy Boys" type Star Wars sequels (before Zahn... "The Glove Of Darth Vader", "Prophets Of the Dark Side", etc...) and "Dark Horse Comics"... he can pretty much swoop in as the creator, do whatever he wants to do, and because he's George Lucas liscencing rights will be meaningless as in the end he's the one who will be accepted to dictate canon. Whether we will see this again remains to be seen, but it HAS happened twice before to varying degrees.

At any rate, once in a while you see Lucas do something that shows off the original spirit of the universe. His subtle "ghost writing" for "Knights Of the Old Republic II" kind of shows this, as the entire premise of that game was basically someone who figured out how the universe worked, raging and trying to stop these cycles so people could have free will. Sadly things fell apart with that so a lot of the details on HOW Kreia intended to destroy The Force other than killing it's main orders of force users were not revealed.

I'll also be honest in saying that while Bioware does some awesome writing, I do have some fears about the upcoming "Old Republic Online" game as far as the plot and how well it will fit in with the universe, largely because they are dealing with a time frame with a predetermined outcome. They are producing a game that seems to be "Sith Mania" incarnate, with cinematics showing Sith handingly Jedi with relative ease. Above and beyond my concerns for game balance both mechanically (from them favoring a side) and population wise (people going with the faction designed to be cooler), it seems to be being forgotten that The Sith are supposed to be getting ***** slapped so hard that come the end of the cycle in the "Star Wars Movies" nobody even knows what a Sith is for sure, because they were so completly eradicated by the Jedi and their allies.

See, the reason why Papaltine could handle Mace Windu and a squad of Jedi Grandmasters was not because "sith are that powerful" but because The Force pretty much dictated that this is how things were. The good guys had the force being "cloudy" and not reacting as they were used to (this is mentioned a couple of times... a massive disturbance clouding everything) where The Sith were basically being given a virtual ocean of power to draw from. The Jedi who did well and survived were those who were playing pivotal roles, Obi-Wan and Yoda for example were crucial to the training of Luke Skywalker who was the catalyst for bringing about Vader's change of heart and the death of The emperor.

The point I'm getting at is that I think giving "Return Of The Jedi" that ending seriously confused the intention of a lot of things that happened. Rather than "Star Wars" we sort of got a modern fairy tale in space... nothing wrong with that on a lot of levels, but it didn't do justice to the universe or the concepts behind it.
 

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metalhead467 said:
Hell, if they had just replaced the Ewoks with Wookiees, and left everything else the way it was, I might have liked it as much as ESB.
Yeah, Wookiees would have actually made much more sense in the context of the story, sense they've already shown that they could easily overpower a stormtrooper.
You know, I've never actually thought about that, but that would have been pretty awesome!

Thanks to those stupid care bears, both Star Wars battlefronts had a pretty stupid Endor level (Hint: Who wants to get knocked over all the time by an ewok you can't see?)

I think I blocked that whole jar jar thing out of my memory. That was a definite "for the kids" inclusion, primed and ready for the toy market.

As for the more somber ending, it may have been alright, but I honestly liked Harrison Ford in the films.
 

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ANImaniac89 said:
that sounds about right

Lucas you fail and South Park was right about what you did to Indiana Jones
ANImaniac89 said:
that sounds about right

Lucas you fail and South Park was right about what you did to Indiana Jones
"SQUEAL PIGGY" Still haunts my mind....
 

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Logic 0 said:
In the words of a great man "merchandiseing is where the money is!" as in for mr.lucas star wars is a business nothing more.
Space Balls ... the FLAME thrower! The kids love these.
 

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I like the idea. Star Wars did end on a pretty silly, almost childish note (the ewoks playing music with storm trooper helmets, for example). Lucas has also made it very clear time and again that he's a shameless capitalist, so I can accept what was said in this piece pretty readily, but the thing that bothers me was that in a way this ruins what was an otherwise fine part of my childhood memories. The fact that we could have gotten something better had Lucas wanted more to tell a story than to cash in on kids only disappoints me. Call it blissful ignorance, but I liked it better than I do now.

As a fellow author all I can say is shame on you, Lucas, for compromising your world class material and turning what might have been a beautiful and memorable tragedy into a 90 minute toy commercial. I won't go so far to say that he failed his audience, by no means did he do that, but if this article is fact then he did sell us short.

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No shit. What do you think Episode 1 was?
From what I understand it was an allegory of World War II