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Eggo said:
I really hope someone else can see the irony here.
Irony? Do tell. Though granted, better might not have been the right word. More specific, perhaps.

Okay, everyone else is doing it. That's nice. Why is everyone doing it?

For someone who says they were born with Safari in their hand, you don't know a lot about Mac OS X.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2242
No, I knew about that, but here's the thing: Damn near everyone uses Windows. Why would you take the time to write a virus for a system that few of us use? Secondly, the article suggests anti-spyware not to protect against pre-existing viruses, but to help protect against anything that might be made in the future,
...making the whole virus writing process more difficult.
Moreover, though it's a good idea to run several antivirus programs, it's not next to mandatory as with the predicament for Windows. And third, you're missing the point of what I was trying to say in my first post.


Outside of personal preference, what valid points has Apple's advertising made to you?
The fact that it has pretty much anything you'd need for editing and artwork pre-installed on the mac (including a built-in camera); that it doesn't freeze nearly as often as Windows (or at all, in my case); the whole business with the viruses; that I can run either OS on a Mac, freeing up entertainment choices; that it runs Microsoft Office (though I use NeoOffice anyway). Just to name a few. Again, however, missing the point.


You're not realizing that Microsoft isn't here to try and win the OS competition.

They already have.
You seem to be barking up the wrong tree here. I'm not trying to say which side is better, or who is trying to do what to who. I'm just saying that I like Mac's to-the-point "Look what I can do" style of advertising better than to Microsoft's "We're all PCs" advert. I'm not trying to convert anyone here, and I really wasn't going into superiorities of either side in my first post anyway. Both sides have pros and cons, and it's just a matter of choice. Just because someone doesn't agree on the quality of advertising doesn't mean they're trying to burn down the other side's rose garden.

I don't give a damn about the OS competition. I just like the way Mac makes their commercials more, and part of that is from trained bias. The commercial isn't influencing my opinion on which one to buy, and it's not making me laud/loathe one side or another. I'm just stating an opinion on your original subject.

Sheesh, not even here can someone make a contrary statement without getting a cattle prod shoved up their arse.
 

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Michael_McCloud said:
Eggo said:
I really hope someone else can see the irony here.
Irony? Do tell. Though granted, better might not have been the right word. More specific, perhaps.
*Raises hand* OOH OOH!!! I KNOW!!! PICK ME!!!!

Michael_McCloud said:
I'm not saying it's not funny, It just doesn't seem to appeal to me in any way. So what if some fisherman in west Timbuktu uses Windows? I want a better reason than "Everybody else is doing it" to side with a company.
Refer to my previous post as to why this is ironic. If you're too lazy to go back and look (like you're maybe too lazy to take time to learn to use a computer) I'll spell it out.

MACS ARE A FAD!!! People (and by people, I mean college kids who have never used one in their lives who bought one as their laptop) only buy Macs because these ads make them cool. The advertisements work extremely well, considering their purpose: To make PCs seem uncool. Macs are 'whats in' right now.

Better?
 

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Gxas said:
Michael_McCloud said:
Eggo said:
I really hope someone else can see the irony here.
Irony? Do tell. Though granted, better might not have been the right word. More specific, perhaps.
*Raises hand* OOH OOH!!! I KNOW!!! PICK ME!!!!

Michael_McCloud said:
I'm not saying it's not funny, It just doesn't seem to appeal to me in any way. So what if some fisherman in west Timbuktu uses Windows? I want a better reason than "Everybody else is doing it" to side with a company.
Refer to my previous post as to why this is ironic. If you're too lazy to go back and look (like you're maybe too lazy to take time to learn to use a computer) I'll spell it out.

MACS ARE A FAD!!! People (and by people, I mean college kids who have never used one in their lives who bought one as their laptop) only buy Macs because these ads make them cool. The advertisements work extremely well to considering their purpose: To make PCs seem uncool. Macs are 'whats in' right now.

Better?
*points to the bottom part of previous post, sips tea, ruffles newspaper and walks away*

Try to, you know, read the entire post before you go blathering on about things, alright? Alright.

Oh, and I'm not lazy enough to not learn how to use a computer. Unless, you know, my scratch-built gaming computer was poofed into existence by fairies.
 

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Michael_McCloud said:
Try to, you know, read the entire post before you go blathering on about things, alright? Alright.
Do it everytime. The problem is that the end your last post has nothing to do with why Macs aren't a fad and you don't see the irony in your post. I'll quote and address each part of the post I plan on responding to, thank you very much.

Michael_McCloud said:
, and I'm not lazy enough to not learn how to use a computer. Unless, you know, my scratch-built gaming computer was poofed into existence by fairies.
Sorry, the camera I have in your house stopped working some time ago so I haven't been able to keep up with your personal life and what you've built for a while now. I'll be sure to update it next time I'm nearby.
 

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I honestly can't stand Mac ads, or anything Apple advertises in general. Apple sells mainly to consumers who are looking for style over quality. "Oh look, our monitor and computer is in ONE CASE! Isn't that neat?!" No, it's a gimmick. Ever tried upgrading a Mac? Have fun getting around that screen, buddy.

Sure, Macs aren't terrible, they're just not as good as they're made out to be, and they do have their advantages (less viruses, slightly more stable OS). But really, I'm out to get the best out of my system, and I'm simply not going to be doing anything crazy with a Mac. The Mac commercials exaggerate Windows' faults above and beyond what they actually are. Hell, the only problem I've encountered on my Vista machine is a slight issue with compatibility, that can easily be solved by changing one property of the program.

P.S. iPods aren't cool, end of story. It's a hard drive with music playing software and a fancy name slapped on. Any other MP3 player on Earth does the same damn thing, so why spend bundles of money on a name?
 

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I though they were genuinly funny until they started getting silly.
"I'm a mac, and cannot upgrade, therefore I'm superior"

..umm the main reason I bought a PC was so I could keep it up to date easily if I so choose :S

but some of the earlier ones were definately funny, and brilliant marketing.
 

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Gxas said:
Do it everytime. The problem is that the end your last post has nothing to do with why Macs aren't a fad and you don't see the irony in your post. I'll quote and address each part of the post I plan on responding to, thank you very much.
Looking back I do agree with you there. That would be my bad.


Sorry, the camera I have in your house stopped working some time ago so I haven't been able to keep up with your personal life and what you've built for a while now. I'll be sure to update it next time I'm nearby.
Yes, please do. And be sure watch out for Fluffy, you know how he is about strangers with cameras.
 

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Michael_McCloud said:
Gxas said:
Sorry, the camera I have in your house stopped working some time ago so I haven't been able to keep up with your personal life and what you've built for a while now. I'll be sure to update it next time I'm nearby.
Yes, please do. And be sure watch out for Fluffy, you know how he is about strangers with cameras.
^^^ The reason I love the Escapist. Any flame war is resolved over time by people agreeing to disagree. (I still miss you all... RIP Shivari, Juandonde, TaxiDriver...)
 

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Eggo said:
I apologize; I must have misconstrued what you were saying in respect to Microsoft and it's marketing. Although it seems you're misconstruing what Microsoft's advertisements set out to do. You can't fault it (as you initially were) for not doing something Microsoft never intended for it to do anyway.
It's alright, internet folks get so worked up over consoles that sometimes anything sounds like a challenge. I've done the same thing as you.

And yes, I do see your point with Microsoft's premise here.

Mac OS X comes with very amateur editing and content creation suite that is easily surpassed with freely available software (on both Mac OS X and Windows). Outside of hipster "artists," it really isn't an advantage for the OS X; it's just more bloatware on my studio Mac Pro.

And if Windows is freezing often for you, then you're doing something very wrong. I've built dozens of Vista machines in the last year and...they're all running beautifully. Maybe I'm just really lucky?

Modern Windows machines don't get bogged down by respectable AV software. I wish I could say the same for Mac programs like Digital Performer and even Logic Pro. Why is it that my quad core/4GB Vista computer is far more responsive than my octo-core/16GB Mac Pro?

And the rest isn't really advantages for OS X. Just more reason why Apple can't live without Microsoft.
Yeah, those were just half-assed ripped from the commerials, just to show that Mac makes a show of why you should buy theirs, whether it's actually better or not. I was more focused on the style of the advertising rather than the content anyway, as we've come to realize.
 

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Meh. Everyone in my household and almost everybody I know owns a Mac. I use my Macbook for Adobe Creative suite and my Powerbook G4 for Final Cut Pro 4. The Mac ads, while amusing the FIRST time they were shown, are now just pretentious and annoying.

Yes, buy a Mac. No, don't act like a douche. There, I have already outdone the advertisements.

That also goes for the 'spin-off' PC ads. I mean, you don't combat the douche by becoming a douche. In the end, though, it just comes down to personal preference of the OS.

Kudos to Linux for not giving a shit.
 

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Eggo said:
Yeah, let's talk about all the attacks on Apple the Microsoft spin-off advertisements have mounted.
I'm all over it. The one I've seen gets on my nerves, too. I realize it was just a counter to Apple's ads, but Microsoft seems to have taken a "HAHA, I'M POPULAR TOO, SO PROVE ME WRONG" approach. I honestly don't care if Hank the plumber likes PCs better than Macs. How about giving me some facts to go off of?
 

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Eggo said:
You're completely missing the point of these ads. And the approach isn't "I'm popular too."
Honestly, that's just what I got out of it. They made it seem like PCs are the best, because a lot of people use them, but of course, I could very possibly be dead wrong.