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[crimsonspear4D]

As for female heroes, either you watched shitty anime or you don't regard any none mary sue female character as a good character. Shit, One Punch Man has couple of great female characters.

And yeah, OPM has some great female characters in it;

Wait, are you talking about the web series or did I miss some characters in the anime?

Because I counted all of two female characters (outside of NPCs), and one of them was that mosquito lady that introduced Genos.

Well, the Manga; Tornado and Blizzard right of the bat, some of the female monsters were equal parts gorgeous and yet still horrifying. Even though the character roster is thankfully small (only focusing on a few heroes/characters at a time) the manga does allow you to get invested in them before either making them ineffectual or just having them disappear entirely.

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Good points. Looking at it that way, I think One does bits of both: deconstructing in order to reconstruct. Whereas many other titles see deconstruction more as a method of destruction. And while destruction can be interesting in its own right, there have been to many titles lately that deconstruct for the sake of being grim and gritty.

Korrasami and ParaNorman also had a problem that they waited with their reveals to the very end which always felt to me like it decreased the message: "we can have gay people but we'll still wait to the very end before we'll tell about it".

As for Japan, homosexual relations have existed (and romanticized) throughout time (like with hideyoshi), so the idea might be taken better than judeo christian cultural countries. While transexuals are usually exaggerated, I do feel they are usuall portrayed well and are likable.

I don't understand why it's so incomprehensible that they wouldn't show or tell that characters are gay or they are pursuing gay relationships. I mean, do you honestly think that Nickelodeon would've shown Korra and Asami flirting and being intimate with each other? We were lucky to get see season 3 and 4 of the show actually imply it or suggest it. Maybe if it aired after Steven Universe or whatever recent show subtly implies gay characters then maybe they'd have gone all in and blatantly showed interest. Either way, I infinitely prefer Korrasami over that bullshit Mako love triangle drama they kept hashing the first two seasons. Of all the story problems that show had, THAT one was the most aggrivating.

I think a lot of creators misunderstand appeal of deconstructing anime as simply being dark, it doesn't necessarily result in bad anime but a lot of shows have a good idea and just ramp up the grim dark. There is a magical girl show this season that I stopped watching (though I might resume later) after it went with the "deadly game" approach.

I think it's the people who keep labeling a show as "deconstructing" and "subverting" a genre or trope just because the characters either realize what their doing is stupid, nonsensical, or just cartoonish or... yeah, they just go dark with it, making it more realistic.

Only a few shows ever did that right and they didn't throw it in your face how "edgy" or how "clever" they were being.

Like "The Magical Girl Project", there's no commentary or satire, no clever introspection, it's just watching dumb lolis kill each other, AND EVEN THEN it manages to be boring as shit. And yet I see people in chattering in comments about how subversive it is, like Madoka Magica never even happened.

 

[NPC009]

As for Japan, homosexual relations have existed (and romanticized) throughout time (like with hideyoshi), so the idea might be taken better than judeo christian cultural countries.

Yeah, when Japan tried to rapidly modernise in the second half of the 19th century, it wasn't just western technology that was imported, ideas and culture were as well. Western ideas of love and romance found a way into Japanese society, which wasn't necessarily a bad thing, because Confucianism tends to be a ***** if you aren't he male head of the household, but homosexuality was written off as this old-timey samurai thing that had no business existing in modern Japan.

While transexuals are usually exaggerated, I do feel they are usuall portrayed well and are likable.

True, some of those tv personalities are really popular as well. What sucks is that it's the first thing many (older) Japanese people will think of when you mention LGBT, despite there being a big difference between the life of your avarage LGBT person and that what's shown on TV and in fiction.

I think a lot of creators misunderstand appeal of deconstructing anime as simply being dark, it doesn't necessarily result in bad anime but a lot of shows have a good idea and just ramp up the grim dark. There is a magical girl show this season that I stopped watching (though I might resume later) after it went with the "deadly game" approach.

Oh, yeah, Magical Girl Raising Project... That show is wasting so much potential. I mean, twisted magical girls and a deadly game? If they had done this five years ago, it could have counted as a decontruction, but right now it's more like two proven formulas glued together. The show does have something going for it thanks to its characters (the idea of a male magical girl was pretty interesting), but even there it messes up. Interesting characters are killed early and on top of that, it's just too simple to tell who is going to kick the bucket next, as future corpses get a dose of character development and/or backstory right before they die.

 

[lionsprey]

As for female heroes, either you watched shitty anime or you don't regard any none mary sue female character as a good character. Shit, One Punch Man has couple of great female characters.

And yeah, OPM has some great female characters in it;

Wait, are you talking about the web series or did I miss some characters in the anime?

Because I counted all of two female characters (outside of NPCs), and one of them was that mosquito lady that introduced Genos.

Well, the Manga; Tornado and Blizzard right of the bat, some of the female monsters were equal parts gorgeous and yet still horrifying. Even though the character roster is thankfully small (only focusing on a few heroes/characters at a time) the manga does allow you to get invested in them before either making them ineffectual or just having them disappear entirely.

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Good points. Looking at it that way, I think One does bits of both: deconstructing in order to reconstruct. Whereas many other titles see deconstruction more as a method of destruction. And while destruction can be interesting in its own right, there have been to many titles lately that deconstruct for the sake of being grim and gritty.

Korrasami and ParaNorman also had a problem that they waited with their reveals to the very end which always felt to me like it decreased the message: "we can have gay people but we'll still wait to the very end before we'll tell about it".

As for Japan, homosexual relations have existed (and romanticized) throughout time (like with hideyoshi), so the idea might be taken better than judeo christian cultural countries. While transexuals are usually exaggerated, I do feel they are usuall portrayed well and are likable.

I don't understand why it's so incomprehensible that they wouldn't show or tell that characters are gay or they are pursuing gay relationships. I mean, do you honestly think that Nickelodeon would've shown Korra and Asami flirting and being intimate with each other? We were lucky to get see season 3 and 4 of the show actually imply it or suggest it. Maybe if it aired after Steven Universe or whatever recent show subtly implies gay characters then maybe they'd have gone all in and blatantly showed interest. Either way, I infinitely prefer Korrasami over that bullshit Mako love triangle drama they kept hashing the first two seasons. Of all the story problems that show had, THAT one was the most aggrivating.

I think a lot of creators misunderstand appeal of deconstructing anime as simply being dark, it doesn't necessarily result in bad anime but a lot of shows have a good idea and just ramp up the grim dark. There is a magical girl show this season that I stopped watching (though I might resume later) after it went with the "deadly game" approach.

I think it's the people who keep labeling a show as "deconstructing" and "subverting" a genre or trope just because the characters either realize what their doing is stupid, nonsensical, or just cartoonish or... yeah, they just go dark with it, making it more realistic.

Only a few shows ever did that right and they didn't throw it in your face how "edgy" or how "clever" they were being.

Like "The Magical Girl Project", there's no commentary or satire, no clever introspection, it's just watching dumb lolis kill each other, AND EVEN THEN it manages to be boring as shit. And yet I see people in chattering in comments about how subversive it is, like Madoka Magica never even happened.

wait are you saying steven universe is subtle about their lesbian characters? because they are the least subtle lesbian couple i have ever seen in any TV show.

 

[crimsonspear4D]

wait are you saying steven universe is subtle about their lesbian characters? because they are the least subtle lesbian couple i have ever seen in any TV show.

In what way? If you mean Garnet, and by extension Ruby and Sapphire, then yeah - the show isn't shy about showing their relationship. At worst it's sometimes distracting, but not terribly so you don't know who the characters are themselves. With Pearl it took an entire season to build up before you finally realize that she was in love with Rose Quartz, or at the very - possible - least emotionally attached to her. You got it from how she talks about her, her interactions with steven and greg, her reminiscing about their shared past. You DIDN'T get it from her constantly popping up behind Rose and groping her tits, or dry humping the picture of her or steven or flirting with him, or constantly screaming at the top of her voice for all (and no one) to hear that SHE. LOVES. ROSE QUARTZ. She has her faults of course, but they're relatable and human, to say the least.

By subtle, I mean being gay or trans isn't their primary or sole defining characteristic.