Brutal Legend sucked, it would have been better if was just hack and slash but RTS? laaaameGhostwise said:
Mainstream Games A Meh?
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I will admit I did enjoy the story AND I wanted to know what happened after the last battle with whats her name (emo girl) but I could never get past those fucking crow treesGhostwise said:
I'll make it short.
New games are definitely improved for the most part at least in gameplay and graphics.
Some games are better because they improved over time with each iteration; see Tales of Vesperia.
Older games are great because they were the first to give great experiences, that's how we remember them, and some remain better than some of today's games.
Most new games, try to recreate the magic from the old games. Chiches are hard to avoid, and there are many new ideas and unique perspectives to use, which can make unique experiences.
They just don't do this because it's easier to make a generic cash grab that relies on making money first, being shiny second, and new ideas last.
Half the damn time they don't even bother with story, which is one of the biggest mistakes they make.
I should add that in my opinion big companies like Bioware at least try to make new experiences; places like Bungie are beating their dead horse, and companies like, but in particular, Nintendo are doing the same as Bungie but also squeezing rocks for blood.
New games are definitely improved for the most part at least in gameplay and graphics.
Some games are better because they improved over time with each iteration; see Tales of Vesperia.
Older games are great because they were the first to give great experiences, that's how we remember them, and some remain better than some of today's games.
Most new games, try to recreate the magic from the old games. Chiches are hard to avoid, and there are many new ideas and unique perspectives to use, which can make unique experiences.
They just don't do this because it's easier to make a generic cash grab that relies on making money first, being shiny second, and new ideas last.
Half the damn time they don't even bother with story, which is one of the biggest mistakes they make.
I should add that in my opinion big companies like Bioware at least try to make new experiences; places like Bungie are beating their dead horse, and companies like, but in particular, Nintendo are doing the same as Bungie but also squeezing rocks for blood.
Yes I have. It was fucken rad. Tho I got half way thru and ZSNES (or whatever its called, its been ages) crashed and then I accidently saved state instead of loading. And I have it on PSP aswell and the 2nd one on PSP is very high on my if-I-see-it-I-must-buy-it list. I have the other 2 aswell. My uncle sold me the 2nd on for like $10 (which he regrets after looking at the eBay prices) and I got the 3rd one practically the day it came out. I sank 110 hours into the third one and I think the 2nd one is probably the best. So if you think I am not a real Star Ocean fan, your dead wrong. Yes, it might not be as good, but its still a very good Star Ocean game.Quiet Stranger said:
You a big Star Ocean fan? You seem to have played the first one and I'm not sure from what you said if you like it or not..
Oh, and for the book, my order of greatness is: 2, 1, 3, 4. I think
Ah touche, I take that back. I've heard from people (well, mainly Dom, and I think hes one to trust) that it is a letdown too, tho, it is Final Fantasy, and I'm gonna play it. And Tales of Vesperia? Haven't had much to do with the Tales games. I have the first(?) one on PSP and its quite good. Also, I live in Australia and in a country city (i think thats the best way to describe it) so games like Tales arnt really in often.Ghostwise said:Not even close my friend. I'm taking a vacation to get my FFXIII fix.stok3r said:Another amazing JRPG is Tales of Vesperia. One of the best if you ask me. Resonance of Fate is gonna kick ass too. The thing is, is that I like good games and SO4 was a MAJOR letdown.
If your judging Star Ocean from previous ones, yeah it might be a letdown, but its still very good.
Haha yeahh maybe I deserved that. If you can use the remote thing, there are good games on it. Zelda, for example. But there are just sooooo many crap games on wii. The only ones I would get from the top of my head:TheNamlessGuy said:stok3r said:
OT: Other than that, I agree with you.
There aren't very many good releases now-a-days.
Zelda
Metroid
Silent Hill (idk, depends on what the PS2 one is like, I havent looked into it)
I think theres a few more but i cant think of them atm. But anyway, the remote renders them unplayable to me. IMO (and lots of other peoples for that matter) is that Nintendo is just releasing casual games to increasing their money pile and when they do release an actual nintendo game, they are beating a dead horse for more money. EG, the New Mario Bros. is ABSOLUTELY SHIT. I agree with Yahtzee and it has NO reason to exist whatsoever! It is one of the worst games I have ever played. And yes, I have played it, and I felt like Murdering someone because its just so GODDAMN FRUSTRATING!!
Yeahh ill give you that. Personally my nostalgia goes back to the N64, and the best games on that was CBFD (also in my best games ever list), the Zeldas, Perfect Dark, and a few more, I havent touched the thing in ages. It might just be me and it might be a factor in why I think the games are cat shite, but JRPGs are my pet genre. The one I feed big chunks of meat to which take the form of my wasted life. But thats the exact reason why I love the PS1 and SNES so much, because of all those Final Fantasy "clones" (not all of them are, they can stand on their own you know). And you cant call that nostalgia because I didnt own a PS1. The time I started playing PS1 games was when after the PS2 came out.hermes200 said:
(BTW, I think Mario 64 is shit aswell. I've never been able to finish it because it makes me want to break a neck)
*prepares for a bashing*
Also, sorry for the book-length double-post. I had alot to say.
It depends, since I like Halo 3 online (even though I'm currently fondling Sony and their black monster the PS3), as well as Gears and CoD:MW2 online.
However, Assassin's Creed 2 is a game that I had to give multiple chances to finally have any fun, since it has an obnoxious opening, and while running on rooftops is sometimes fun, I always end up in the SAME place every time, so unless I have my map opened ever other second, I get lost so easily. It's only sub-par to me. Bioshock is a game I feel has too many enemies, since it's going for a horror theme, the scaries parts to me is hearing Big Daddy footsteps pounding around you, you unsure of where they're coming from.
It's a love hate thing. Single player mainstream games seem to be not as well written (unless God of War is mainstream, dunno if it counts, but I love it to death so there are exceptions). I enjoy mainstream multiplayer, hate mainstream single player. Except CoD4 and a few others
Heavy Rain however, is a game that shows that not too mainstream games are well written, since I was almost in tears of sorrow and joy in a matter of minutes due to it's epic storytelling and such.
However, Assassin's Creed 2 is a game that I had to give multiple chances to finally have any fun, since it has an obnoxious opening, and while running on rooftops is sometimes fun, I always end up in the SAME place every time, so unless I have my map opened ever other second, I get lost so easily. It's only sub-par to me. Bioshock is a game I feel has too many enemies, since it's going for a horror theme, the scaries parts to me is hearing Big Daddy footsteps pounding around you, you unsure of where they're coming from.
It's a love hate thing. Single player mainstream games seem to be not as well written (unless God of War is mainstream, dunno if it counts, but I love it to death so there are exceptions). I enjoy mainstream multiplayer, hate mainstream single player. Except CoD4 and a few others
Heavy Rain however, is a game that shows that not too mainstream games are well written, since I was almost in tears of sorrow and joy in a matter of minutes due to it's epic storytelling and such.
That's the problem with sequels a lot of the time. They try to bring us the same experience, only new settings and story. Good sequels (like God of War II and I'm sure God of War III) give players the things they like, but change things to make it new. Such as God of War II giving us a new story compared to the first, but still connected. As Yahtzee said in his Bioshock review, the best use the originals as jumping points to new things. God of War III, for example, takes new weapons and magic from God of War II and changes it, replacing magic bar with a different bar that refuels, making it more combat heavy (but giving us fluid combat controls to a point of near perfection, at least in the demo) and turning most things taken from the Gods (since it's a game about killing the gods) and using them more for his puzzle solving than as combat tools. Plus, it turns them into things you can actually use rather than things that sit unused while you end up using someone's rage (Posiden and Cronos's rages were the best I've seen in gaming, see what I did there) and ect. But now I'm off topic just jerking myself off to God of War IIIMr_Jack said:
Pretty much though, good sequels are usually big sellers because they ride their original's coat tails, but the 3rd installment is the hardest to get because the 2nd installments are usually just expansion packs that try to follow their parent exactly, making it nothing but a dull experience
Older gens have some good titles with more original concepts. I just recently got rid of my PS2, very good system for RPGs and JRPGs. I think I finished every major RPG on the system. I own a Xbox 360 as well though I'm still waiting on the titles I want. Final Fantasy XIII and Splinter Cell: Conviction.
Anywho to the point, there is a reason mainstream is mainstream... The New Gen is hit and miss, just like any other generation. The only real difference is the Graphics Standard and how cliche stories are getting
Anywho to the point, there is a reason mainstream is mainstream... The New Gen is hit and miss, just like any other generation. The only real difference is the Graphics Standard and how cliche stories are getting
Off-Topic for a bit:CheckD3 said:
Totally agree with you there. And that the enemies are way to easy to kill, and you get more ammo with every second step, AND there are those respawning things which renders any challange moot.
Thats why games like Silent Hill and Project Zero makes you shit your pants (besides the mind-fuckery in Silent Hill, which is on a completly different level). You are dreading every encounter. The enemies are harder to kill, and you have a very limited amount of ammo.
Especially in Project Zero's case, I find myself dreading opening every door. Because of the absence of ghosts, you are more scared of whats not there than what is. And if you do find a ghost, its pretty hard to run away from because they can move through doors. And even if you clear an area of ghosts, there is every chance of another one appearing there later on. There is one room in particular in the first one: its like an aquarium and you walk over planks to get to the other side. In a combination of camera angles obstructing your view, a scary encounter there the first time your there and the atmosphere in the room, it scares the shit out of me every time I have to go through it.
That, everyone, is a good horror game
i think mainstream games are better. better graphics, better technologies, great stories with realistic environments. games in the past had great stories, but only recently can you actually imagine yourself in the environments cause they are not all blocky. they look fairly realistic.
now, the last mainstream game i actually purchased was Company of heroes 2 months ago during a great steam sale. however, i find i am not as enthralled with mainstream games as i used to be. indie games appeal to me greatly though. short, inexpensive, and fun. thats my thing.
now, the last mainstream game i actually purchased was Company of heroes 2 months ago during a great steam sale. however, i find i am not as enthralled with mainstream games as i used to be. indie games appeal to me greatly though. short, inexpensive, and fun. thats my thing.
I haven't played Project Zero, though now I'm thinking of picking up a copy sometime soonstok3r said:
The first condemned was like this too. You'd be walking along with a bat and all of a sudden you hear screaming a guy pops out of nowhere screaming and waving around a piece of wood, and you're freaking out trying to keep your eye on him and beat him till his a bloody pulp, then you pause to clean yourself up.
Games CAN be good with bashfests, such as God of War and RE4, RE4 is more action than horror, but it was okay because it still freaked you out (was I the ONLY one who felt his mind being fucked with when they saw the big guy from the village transform? That's what I call mind fuckary) and could catch you off guard. It knew what it wanted to be.
Bioshock seems to play like an action game that's trying to be horror. It sets up a true horror atmosphere I will admit though. The levels are dark and creepy, the calm sea outside knowingly contradicting the dark, tense levels inside Rapture, where shadows flicker and you see remains scattered, relics found among dead bodies. There's a part in the beginning where the lights turn off around you and all you have a light on is you, and you hear screaming coming from around you. I was panicked when I played, firing around and freaking out. The enemies came fast and I didn't truely know HOW many there were at any point until I finally got the lights to show me a pile of bodies. That was scary, and good use of horror. I'm not saying they should repeat that a bunch of times and call it a game. But it came up unannounced and as you were exploring the remains of someone else. It showed the light (haha, get it? Puns are fun) of the game that make it good. However, enemies were walking around without warning and behind EVERY corner, not just some. It lost it's feel after that to me, because I knew that every time I turned a corner I needed to kill someone/something. The game started off fun and scary, but becomes old too fast.
Back on topic, a lot of games do this. They try to stuff too much in something and end of messing up a winning formula by adding crap to it. It's mainly mainstream, who feed us generic stories that we've all seen before and don't care about. And while I'm only okay with Bioshock, the story wants me to find out what happens, the gameplay doesn't. But in some games, they don't take enough risks so they can keep it safe and make lots of money. I like the fact that
Dom's wife if found dying and is killed by Dom himself
That's one thing that makes non-mainstream games great, they can have unhappy endings that make you sad, scared, upset, angry. Fallout 3 has a great ending, the entire game I think is fantastic, because it's what YOU make it to be, and that's where it excells. It gives you the chance to characterize the character. Halo gives you a character and tells you to be proud of your race or something, it doesn't have anything that makes you feel closer to being a spartan besides multi-player allowing you to customize your body to what you want, along with your colors. In fact, the only risk it takes is letting you be an elite in multi-player/co-op.
If you like horror games, you really should play it. If your from America, its called Fatal Frame and there are 3 of them on PS2. The second one managed to scare me to the point of turning the console off in sheer terror. This was DURING THE DAY. With like 3 other people in the room. YEAH. ITS THAT GOOD.CheckD3 said:
I actually like a sad, or unhappy ending. It makes you think more and sticks in your mind, also, life is a *****.CheckD3 said:
What really pisses me off is when they are setting up a bad ending, and then they use some kind of Dues Ex Machina to make everything better.
A movie example from The Lakehouse which pissed me off to no end: (serious ending spoiler, tho anyone intelligent would have seen it coming)
The chick (forget her name) sees the matrix guy (reeves?) die at the begining of the movie, but doesnt know it him, so, in 2008, she relises it was him who died in 2006, and sends him a letter warning him. He gets the letter, lives, meets up with her in 2008. Happy Ending.
The problem is is that the movie doesnt know if there is only a single timeline or multiple timelines. Earlier in the movie, he plants a tree for her and she sees it. Thats a sign of a single timeline. But, that means that she had already sent him the letter in 2008 and he didnt get it, therefore, dying. He has already died in her timeline, so even if he does live, her sending a letter would create an alternate timeline and reeves would meet up with an alternate version of her. The original be left alone.
Idk, its hard to even explain the stupidity of it. It seems to use the Back to the Future timeline theory where you can do whatever the fuck you want and the universe doesnt care.
If anyone can explain this to me, please do. I might be missing something here, I havent seen it in ages
The problem is is that the movie doesnt know if there is only a single timeline or multiple timelines. Earlier in the movie, he plants a tree for her and she sees it. Thats a sign of a single timeline. But, that means that she had already sent him the letter in 2008 and he didnt get it, therefore, dying. He has already died in her timeline, so even if he does live, her sending a letter would create an alternate timeline and reeves would meet up with an alternate version of her. The original be left alone.
Idk, its hard to even explain the stupidity of it. It seems to use the Back to the Future timeline theory where you can do whatever the fuck you want and the universe doesnt care.
If anyone can explain this to me, please do. I might be missing something here, I havent seen it in ages
Anyway, if your going to sacrifice the story just to make it more mainstream, idk.. i dont like you for it lol. Ive kinda forgot what I was proving there... oh. If your gonna pull some Deus Ex Machina out of your ass just so you can have a happy ending: idk..
(Kind-of Cloverfied spoiler
(REALLY off topic hateAlso, a more popular movie (maybe?): Cloverfield. If anyone is pissed of at the ending, or complaining that there is no point to the movie, they are missing the point of the movie entirely.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompletelyMissingThePoint
^-- that is you.
Oh, and enjoy your day at tvtropes ^^
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompletelyMissingThePoint
^-- that is you.
Oh, and enjoy your day at tvtropes ^^
Fatal Frame, I've seen them around, defiantly will pick them upstok3r said:
Using something at the END of the game to make things better is lame, we don't all want happy endings, plus ending sad enough may make players demand a sequel to see what happens, like if they ended God of War 1 the way it began, with Kratos jumping off the cliff and you thinking him dead. God of War II, however, can use something to make things better, because the game uses it at the beginning and as the story, to try and change his fate. That's using it creatively. Chains of Olympus ended kinda sadly...gotta admit
Mainstream games are just evil when story gets sacrificed for game play. Actually, story gets copy pasted to make money. I would rather shell out full price for a game with a story rather than a game where all I do in single play is shoot and press start to skip cut scenes the first time I play. Multi-player games I play a lot I'd shell out 30 bucks to play, because that's half of games sometimes. But I work at a video store so I've rented CoD:MW2 for the last month without paying a cent, also played Batman:AA, Bayonetta and playing Bioshock among others without paying a cent. Mainstream games are renters when they come out, the story sucks and multi-player isn't worth 60 bucks (this is me being American, but not fat, honestly, not big boned either)
Man thats lucky lolCheckD3 said:
Yeahh thats what I ment, at the end of a game.
Again: Off-Topic:
There is a funny example of that in the second (i think)
Stephan King's Dark Tower books (or so I've herd, I'm only up the the first one)
I dont really think its a spoiler, but ill tag it just in case (maybe itll get people reading it? it did for me):
Theres a bit where the main characters are in a situation where they're all gonna die (something like that) and one of them finds a note by STEPHAN KING saying not to worry, it'll all be okay! lol
I thought it was pretty clever.
And agreed with the shelling out full price for a good story. I don't know if you've herd of Drakengard, but I would pay tripple original retail for that just for the story. The gameplay is pretty poor (tho I enjoyed it at the time) but the gameplay is magnificent
Oh, if you do get Fatal Frame, PM me on what you think about it lol I don't know alot of people who have played it
The exact same reason I seek out PS2 and PS1 rpgs. They're the best! The storys sometimes may be a bit cliche, but at least there IS a story, and the gameplay deffinetly makes up for it in ways mainstream games can only dream ofFappy said:I am horribly jaded for some reason
It seems the only games that can sell me these days are RPGs and games that hit my nostalgia bone
stok3r said:Yes I have. It was fucken rad. Tho I got half way thru and ZSNES (or whatever its called, its been ages) crashed and then I accidently saved state instead of loading. And I have it on PSP aswell and the 2nd one on PSP is very high on my if-I-see-it-I-must-buy-it list. I have the other 2 aswell. My uncle sold me the 2nd on for like $10 (which he regrets after looking at the eBay prices) and I got the 3rd one practically the day it came out. I sank 110 hours into the third one and I think the 2nd one is probably the best. So if you think I am not a real Star Ocean fan, your dead wrong. Yes, it might not be as good, but its still a very good Star Ocean game.Quiet Stranger said:
You a big Star Ocean fan? You seem to have played the first one and I'm not sure from what you said if you like it or not..
Oh, and for the book, my order of greatness is: 2, 1, 3, 4. I think
Ah touche, I take that back. I've heard from people (well, mainly Dom, and I think hes one to trust) that it is a letdown too, tho, it is Final Fantasy, and I'm gonna play it. And Tales of Vesperia? Haven't had much to do with the Tales games. I have the first(?) one on PSP and its quite good. Also, I live in Australia and in a country city (i think thats the best way to describe it) so games like Tales arnt really in often.Ghostwise said:Not even close my friend. I'm taking a vacation to get my FFXIII fix.stok3r said:
If your judging Star Ocean from previous ones, yeah it might be a letdown, but its still very good.
Sorry bout that Stoker, dont know why I said first one, I mean to say third not first (but I have played the first one and loved it)
