Majora's Mask 3D and The Clock......

[Torrasque]

Oh yeah, that would be really cool! I have enjoyed OoT in 3D alot, and Majora's Mask would be gr-
http://www.airbornegamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/majoras-mask-moon.jpg

-...on second thought ._.
no thank you...

 

[Thunderhorse31]

what if you never owned it in the first place i never owned ocarina of time or majoras mask originally

Well, then... what in the hell took you so long?!?

Honestly though, if you want to own 6 different versions of the same game, then go nuts. It's your money. I'm just more annoyed that N's focus is on rehash and re-releases instead of fresh new stuff.

 

[PlasmaFrog]

Are you jesting me? I'd fall head over heals for such a remastering.

Although, this would lead to an ultimately concerning issue. While playing Ocarina of time, I found it to be incredibly distubring withhow most of the game's atmosphere was stripped. Everything was given a brighter color pallet and a slightly different touch. For instance, the final fight with Ganon was spoiled by the high contrast and brightness. The feel for the fight was easily ruined by his unmasking. That's part of what drove the urgency and atmosphere of terror for that fight. You had a giant, menacing figure standing before you, and yes, it is intimidating. But if you strip that away, it loses much of its true value.

So, with this in mind, this issue raises concern since most of Majora's Mask was based around an atmosphere of hopelessness and darkness. Stripping the game of that atmosphere wouldn't do much for it in terms of engagement and plot.

 

[Arehexes]

How about instead of begging Nintendo to remake it's old games (I mean why they do it already ). Lets ask them to make new stuff, because this whole lets re-release old popular games instead of making new ones is just stupid.

 

[Swifteye]

I hate having the time over my head when playing games. It means the whole time ya gotta be rushing and me being a completest it would just make the game stressful for me. But that function was integral to majora's mask if my friends constant rambling on how awesome the game is to be believed. Personally asking nintendo to remake games seems like a bad idea as that's more or less there only mode of operation. The only game they will never release or re release is anything regarding earthbound and that's probably because reggie hates earthbound (seriously is there any other reason?)

 

[Tim_Buoy]

what if you never owned it in the first place i never owned ocarina of time or majoras mask originally

Well, then... what in the hell took you so long?!?

Honestly though, if you want to own 6 different versions of the same game, then go nuts. It's your money. I'm just more annoyed that N's focus is on rehash and re-releases instead of fresh new stuff.

i had other games i just borrowed the zelda ones though
also i thought of some more conkers bad fur day with the old multi player and banjo kazooie

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Personally I'm hoping for a Majora's Mask remake but without that bloody clock,

You do know that you can slow time down by playing the Song of Time backwards... Right?

Besides, if you can't fit all the things you need to do in the 3 day window, then you're doing it Wrong.
In the first three day cycle out of Clocktown, I can 100% the first two dungeons.

The problem is that it wasn't actually three days. It was totally idiotic that they say, "hey, you have three days till the moon crashes", then when I start playing, I do a few little things for people than when I get some cool items and I start messing around a little before I continue on I get the thing that says one day has passed, and I'm like, "What I've only been playing an hour....oh, the game pulled a dick move and told me I had three days when in fact a day equals one hour of play time and if I don't find out how to store my items I lose them all when I have to reset time."

Instead of saying that Link had 3 days till the moon crashed they could have just said three hours, which would make more sense.

The clock is an archaic game mechanic that should have left gaming even before Majora's Mask first came out. Timers on some small in game puzzles are just fine but, they shouldn't be the type where if you make one mistake you will run out of time, or as the case of the thread subject make the whole game timed.

Whole game timers were used back in the day when game makers didn't know how to make games harder so they added timed play because it artificially boosted game difficulty without them having to added in some kind of normal game mechanic or level that would make it hard by way of something actually proper for the game world. Why do you think most new Mario games don't have a timer? Because it is silly, what did Mario die of, did he get hit by a koopa troopa or a goomba, did he fall off a ledge? No, a clock hit zero and he apparently had a heart attack or something.

Not that the original Mario or other timed Mario games were hard, there was plenty of time to play and mess around before getting to the end.

Though there were games of the past that did make games harder without having to resort to a clock, Mega Man. Those games were really hard, fun, and didn't have a clock.

Oh, and as an additional thing that shouldn't be in games, time that even runs in areas the player is in or even has never been too. It is incredibly stupid when I'm in a game figuring things out and then messing around when I find something is fun and then I find out because I was messing around people in an area I haven't even seen or knew of died.

Such things are not fun, they are stupid.

 

[Nieroshai]

Without the clock, it wouldn't BE Majora's Mask. Some good changes though would be remastered sound and less lag.

 

[madwarper]

In the first three day cycle out of Clocktown, I can 100% the first two dungeons.

EDIT: I am attempting to 100% the game in 3 cycles past the forced Deku cycle. It is entirely possible. My first cycle is Woodfall Temple and Snowhead Temple, second cycle is Great Bay Temple and Stone Tower Temple, third is cleanup duty for heart pieces and masks.

While I wish you the best of luck, I just don't see that as possible.

I'm pretty sure that the Anju/Kafei, Romani/Cremia and Madame Aroma story lines each takes up a cycle to complete, since they each have some simultaneous timeline. And, I'm pretty sure neither of them can be completed on the first post-Deku cycle.

Spoiler: snip

Personally I'm hoping for a Majora's Mask remake but without that bloody clock,

You do know that you can slow time down by playing the Song of Time backwards... Right?

Besides, if you can't fit all the things you need to do in the 3 day window, then you're doing it Wrong.
In the first three day cycle out of Clocktown, I can 100% the first two dungeons.

The problem is that it wasn't actually three days. It was totally idiotic that they say, "hey, you have three days till the moon crashes", then when I start playing, I do a few little things for people than when I get some cool items and I start messing around a little before I continue on I get the thing that says one day has passed, and I'm like, "What I've only been playing an hour....oh, the game pulled a dick move and told me I had three days when in fact a day equals one hour of play time and if I don't find out how to store my items I lose them all when I have to reset time."

Instead of saying that Link had 3 days till the moon crashed they could have just said three hours, which would make more sense.

The clock is an archaic game mechanic that should have left gaming even before Majora's Mask first came out. Timers on some small in game puzzles are just fine but, they shouldn't be the type where if you make one mistake you will run out of time, or as the case of the thread subject make the whole game timed.

Whole game timers were used back in the day when game makers didn't know how to make games harder so they added timed play because it artificially boosted game difficulty without them having to added in some kind of normal game mechanic or level that would make it hard by way of something actually proper for the game world. Why do you think most new Mario games don't have a timer? Because it is silly, what did Mario die of, did he get hit by a koopa troopa or a goomba, did he fall off a ledge? No, a clock hit zero and he apparently had a heart attack or something.

Not that the original Mario or other timed Mario games were hard, there was plenty of time to play and mess around before getting to the end.

Though there were games of the past that did make games harder without having to resort to a clock, Mega Man. Those games were really hard, fun, and didn't have a clock.

Oh, and as an additional thing that shouldn't be in games, time that even runs in areas the player is in or even has never been too. It is incredibly stupid when I'm in a game figuring things out and then messing around when I find something is fun and then I find out because I was messing around people in an area I haven't even seen or knew of died.

Such things are not fun, they are stupid.

I'm just going to go ahead and disagree with you on Majora's Mask.

a) The time cycle in Majora's Mask is about Time Management. There's a variety of ways you can spend your time in Majora's Mask, explore dungeons, meddle in the lives of the townsfolk, do sidequests in the wilderness, etc. The point is you have to make a plan and follow through, because that's what Brian Boitano would do.

b) It offers a way for your actions to affect the world, and do so in a non-permanent way. If it weren't for my direct intervention, Anju and Kafei wouldn't have gotten married, Cremia wouldn't have been able to deliver her milk, Madame Aroma wouldn't know what happened to her son, etc.

Also, your last paragraph makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Lord Devius]

EDIT: I am attempting to 100% the game in 3 cycles past the forced Deku cycle. It is entirely possible. My first cycle is Woodfall Temple and Snowhead Temple, second cycle is Great Bay Temple and Stone Tower Temple, third is cleanup duty for heart pieces and masks.

While I wish you the best of luck, I just don't see that as possible.

I'm pretty sure that the Anju/Kafei, Romani/Cremia and Madame Aroma story lines each takes up a cycle to complete, since they each have some simultaneous timeline. And, I'm pretty sure neither of them can be completed on the first post-Deku cycle.

Anju/Kafei I plan to do on the second post-Deku cycle. You can do everything but assist Kafei at Sakon's Hideout to get Kafei's letter to Madame Aroma, which you can deliver yourself the first cycle, thanks to the Milk Bar letting you in without a mask on the night of the Final Day, or give to the Postman; I'm going to deliver it myself for the extra bottle for the Zora egg bit. I'll have the Potion bottle, the Gold Dust bottle, and the Aroma bottle.

The most hectic cycle will most definitely be the second post-Deku cycle. I'm debating whether I'm going to leave the Giant's Wallet until the third p-D cycle, as it'd help immensely, but compress what time I'll have on that final cycle.

It's going to be interesting. I know pro speedrunners can do it, but I'm far from that skill level. I'm also not going for fastest time, only lowest amount of cycles possible.

Also, I believe Sonic Doctor's point in his last paragraph was persistent worlds shouldn't exist. Which I wholly disagree with.

Also, I find it entirely hilarious that someone who's obviously a fan of Doctor Who is getting angry over a bit of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey temporal fun.

 

[Fenreil]

Not really, actually. I fucking love Majora's Mask, but I'd much rather play it on my '64.

Oh, and most remakes are a general "meh" to me.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Spoiler: snip

Personally I'm hoping for a Majora's Mask remake but without that bloody clock,

You do know that you can slow time down by playing the Song of Time backwards... Right?

Besides, if you can't fit all the things you need to do in the 3 day window, then you're doing it Wrong.
In the first three day cycle out of Clocktown, I can 100% the first two dungeons.

The problem is that it wasn't actually three days. It was totally idiotic that they say, "hey, you have three days till the moon crashes", then when I start playing, I do a few little things for people than when I get some cool items and I start messing around a little before I continue on I get the thing that says one day has passed, and I'm like, "What I've only been playing an hour....oh, the game pulled a dick move and told me I had three days when in fact a day equals one hour of play time and if I don't find out how to store my items I lose them all when I have to reset time."

Instead of saying that Link had 3 days till the moon crashed they could have just said three hours, which would make more sense.

The clock is an archaic game mechanic that should have left gaming even before Majora's Mask first came out. Timers on some small in game puzzles are just fine but, they shouldn't be the type where if you make one mistake you will run out of time, or as the case of the thread subject make the whole game timed.

Whole game timers were used back in the day when game makers didn't know how to make games harder so they added timed play because it artificially boosted game difficulty without them having to added in some kind of normal game mechanic or level that would make it hard by way of something actually proper for the game world. Why do you think most new Mario games don't have a timer? Because it is silly, what did Mario die of, did he get hit by a koopa troopa or a goomba, did he fall off a ledge? No, a clock hit zero and he apparently had a heart attack or something.

Not that the original Mario or other timed Mario games were hard, there was plenty of time to play and mess around before getting to the end.

Though there were games of the past that did make games harder without having to resort to a clock, Mega Man. Those games were really hard, fun, and didn't have a clock.

Oh, and as an additional thing that shouldn't be in games, time that even runs in areas the player is in or even has never been too. It is incredibly stupid when I'm in a game figuring things out and then messing around when I find something is fun and then I find out because I was messing around people in an area I haven't even seen or knew of died.

Such things are not fun, they are stupid.

I'm just going to go ahead and disagree with you on Majora's Mask.

a) The time cycle in Majora's Mask is about Time Management. There's a variety of ways you can spend your time in Majora's Mask, explore dungeons, meddle in the lives of the townsfolk, do sidequests in the wilderness, etc. The point is you have to make a plan and follow through, because that's what Brian Boitano would do.

b) It offers a way for your actions to affect the world, and do so in a non-permanent way. If it weren't for my direct intervention, Anju and Kafei wouldn't have gotten married, Cremia wouldn't have been able to deliver her milk, Madame Aroma wouldn't know what happened to her son, etc.

Also, your last paragraph makes no sense whatsoever.

Time Management and games shouldn't mix, when I think of the term I think back to juggling assignments in college or workplace assignments.

Oh, the last paragraph wasn't about Majora's Mask, I forgot to add in what types of games I was talking about, I'm talking about games like Dead Rising and Resident Evil, where as I said, you can mind your own business playing the game in one area of the game while in another part of the game that can't be seen and isn't even rendered of course, other things can be happening without you knowing it.

 

[madwarper]

Spoiler

Personally I'm hoping for a Majora's Mask remake but without that bloody clock,

You do know that you can slow time down by playing the Song of Time backwards... Right?

Besides, if you can't fit all the things you need to do in the 3 day window, then you're doing it Wrong.
In the first three day cycle out of Clocktown, I can 100% the first two dungeons.

The problem is that it wasn't actually three days. It was totally idiotic that they say, "hey, you have three days till the moon crashes", then when I start playing, I do a few little things for people than when I get some cool items and I start messing around a little before I continue on I get the thing that says one day has passed, and I'm like, "What I've only been playing an hour....oh, the game pulled a dick move and told me I had three days when in fact a day equals one hour of play time and if I don't find out how to store my items I lose them all when I have to reset time."

Instead of saying that Link had 3 days till the moon crashed they could have just said three hours, which would make more sense.

The clock is an archaic game mechanic that should have left gaming even before Majora's Mask first came out. Timers on some small in game puzzles are just fine but, they shouldn't be the type where if you make one mistake you will run out of time, or as the case of the thread subject make the whole game timed.

Whole game timers were used back in the day when game makers didn't know how to make games harder so they added timed play because it artificially boosted game difficulty without them having to added in some kind of normal game mechanic or level that would make it hard by way of something actually proper for the game world. Why do you think most new Mario games don't have a timer? Because it is silly, what did Mario die of, did he get hit by a koopa troopa or a goomba, did he fall off a ledge? No, a clock hit zero and he apparently had a heart attack or something.

Not that the original Mario or other timed Mario games were hard, there was plenty of time to play and mess around before getting to the end.

Though there were games of the past that did make games harder without having to resort to a clock, Mega Man. Those games were really hard, fun, and didn't have a clock.

Oh, and as an additional thing that shouldn't be in games, time that even runs in areas the player is in or even has never been too. It is incredibly stupid when I'm in a game figuring things out and then messing around when I find something is fun and then I find out because I was messing around people in an area I haven't even seen or knew of died.

Such things are not fun, they are stupid.

I'm just going to go ahead and disagree with you on Majora's Mask.

a) The time cycle in Majora's Mask is about Time Management. There's a variety of ways you can spend your time in Majora's Mask, explore dungeons, meddle in the lives of the townsfolk, do sidequests in the wilderness, etc. The point is you have to make a plan and follow through, because that's what Brian Boitano would do.

b) It offers a way for your actions to affect the world, and do so in a non-permanent way. If it weren't for my direct intervention, Anju and Kafei wouldn't have gotten married, Cremia wouldn't have been able to deliver her milk, Madame Aroma wouldn't know what happened to her son, etc.

Also, your last paragraph makes no sense whatsoever.

Time Management and games shouldn't mix, when I think of the term I think back to juggling assignments in college or workplace assignments.

Oh, the last paragraph wasn't about Majora's Mask, I forgot to add in what types of games I was talking about, I'm talking about games like Dead Rising and Resident Evil, where as I said, you can mind your own business playing the game in one area of the game while in another part of the game that can't be seen and isn't even rendered of course, other things can be happening without you knowing it.

Again, I'm going to have to disagree.

Time management is a skill that should be learned as early as possible.
Learn it while playing video games, be better prepared to use it in the real world.

 

[DarkRyter]

Majora's Mask without clock?

That don't make a lick of sense.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Also, I believe Sonic Doctor's point in his last paragraph was persistent worlds shouldn't exist. Which I wholly disagree with.

Also, I find it entirely hilarious that someone who's obviously a fan of Doctor Who is getting angry over a bit of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey temporal fun.

It really comes down to the type of gamer a person is. I like to take my time and take the game in.

I like to play at my own pace and at times when I am winding down in a game and I'm close to being ready to quit I go into a goofy phase where I just mess around, like I shoot random objects in shooters to see how they are effected by the bullets, or in serious racing games I see how badly damaged I can make my car or if I can perform a wacky stunt, or in RPGs I walk around and look at the graphics and study things in my inventory(or in Zelda games, mess round with the weapons and masks or some such items) or I read things(like the codexes in BioWare games).

One of my examples of a persistent game is Resident Evil. While I was playing it, a friend was watching at times, and then I got bored and started messing around. My friend warned that I shouldn't mess around if I wanted things to go right in the game, because while I was in one room of the mansion things were still going on elsewhere in the mansion and if I didn't play through as fast as I could, bad things would happen.

Stuff like that doesn't fit into my play style, because as in any real life, deadlines cause me stress. I play games to get away from stress and relieve it.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Again, I'm going to have to disagree.

Time management is a skill that should be learned as early as possible.
Learn it while playing video games, be better prepared to use it in the real world.

Think of the name of this site, The Escapist. It mainly deals with subjects in the gaming world. It falls under the idea that most gamers see gaming not just as a recreational activity or a hobby, it is a means of escape from the real world.

I hate having to manage my time in the real world, so obviously in my gaming I don't want to have to deal with time management.

That is the reason why there is always a large backlash when some games go from being amazing out of this world, crazy, and just plain unrealistic and then the makers with the next installment make the game more "realistic". Making things more realistic and relating things to real life, takes away a great deal of the ability for a gamer to feel like the game is an escape from the real world.

The real world sucks, that is why many if not most gamers game, to get away from the real world.

 

[madwarper]

Spoiler

Again, I'm going to have to disagree.

Time management is a skill that should be learned as early as possible.
Learn it while playing video games, be better prepared to use it in the real world.

Think of the name of this site, The Escapist. It mainly deals with subjects in the gaming world. It falls under the idea that most gamers see gaming not just as a recreational activity or a hobby, it is a means of escape from the real world.

I hate having to manage my time in the real world, so obviously in my gaming I don't want to have to deal with time management.

That is the reason why there is always a large backlash when some games go from being amazing out of this world, crazy, and just plain unrealistic and then the makers with the next installment make the game more "realistic". Making things more realistic and relating things to real life, takes away a great deal of the ability for a gamer to feel like the game is an escape from the real world.

The real world sucks, that is why many if not most gamers game, to get away from the real world.

Different gamers like different games.

You, as well as the OP, don't like this aspect of Majora's Mask. I, as well as a few others from this thread, love it.

Besides, if there wasn't a timeline (ie. clock), then it would have been nearly impossible to have scripted dynamic NPC's. Unless you prefer everyone else stand like a frigid statue.

Should it be removed from all games entirely? No.

 

[Zeema]

no way i love the clock

actually feels like your racing against time