Majora's Mask Symbolism! Masks and the Four Areas

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Overusedname

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Wow....It's been a while huh? Sorry for the very long absence, but I'm done with school for now, and ready to get back to game analysis, so let's continue with our series on Majora's Mask.


I thrive off feedback, so let me know what you think. If you want to see more, check out my main channel.

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False Nobility

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I just happened to catch this in my sub box, but wooooOOOOAAAH it's finally here! Good god, I didn't realize what was going on.

Well, I'm not even done watching, but just wanted to say I hope you're feeling better and this is awesome so far!
 

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False Nobility said:
I just happened to catch this in my sub box, but wooooOOOOAAAH it's finally here! Good god, I didn't realize what was going on.

Well, I'm not even done watching, but just wanted to say I hope you're feeling better and this is awesome so far!
Thanks man, and I'm feeling a lot better, don't worry.

Lemme know what ya think when you've seen da whole vid :p
 

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It's bloody impressive what you do, since it seems like a one man show with just some help in skits and such. So I can see why it might take a long while.

If it's alright to ask...was it hard to talk about the Goron thing? I like that part of the episode, even though I don't know the game very well. You really spilled your guts.
 

Overusedname

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SomethingWorse said:
It's bloody impressive what you do, since it seems like a one man show with just some help in skits and such. So I can see why it might take a long while.

If it's alright to ask...was it hard to talk about the Goron thing? I like that part of the episode, even though I don't know the game very well. You really spilled your guts.
Well...I'm not all that mushy on camera very often, and honestly while I was recording it I was unscripted, just spilling it out for that whole segment. I love that moment. I didn't realize I was seemingly choking up the slightest bit while talking about that stuff, it kinda just struck me right after I played it back. I didn't think of it as a bad thing, since I kept it together and I wanted to be honest.

It was a little odd, since I never got that...'real' before. But it was fun. Felt pretty good.
 
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Very impressive analysis, Wordsmith. I can definitely tell you were being sincere about the Goron moment. There a very few moments in any sort of media that can get to me like that. Also, that guy in sun glasses is, like, a demigod. Wonder who he could be, what was his name again?
 

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ModestlyNarcissistic said:
Very impressive analysis, Wordsmith. I can definitely tell you were being sincere about the Goron moment. There a very few moments in any sort of media that can get to me like that. Also, that guy in sun glasses is, like, a demigod. Wonder who he could be, what was his name again?
He's some loser I found in a cardboard box outside my house. :3

Why did it take you so long to make an account, btw.
 

Coolshark

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I picked a good day to log in.

First, glad you're back. Second, awesome work, really like how smooth all the editing and such is, even better than the last one. I'm sure your let's play stuff helped with that :p The four is death thing is very interesting, glad you brought it up, but the Grief stages thing blew my mind. That's some elaborate stuff. Nintendo's pretty cray cray. But yeah, doesn't seem like that could be a coincidence.

Also, hate to be that guy, but you used a lot of cool music in this...and I don't know what a lot of it is from. Could you list it at some point? It would be rad.

Thanks for this, is nice.
 
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Overusedname said:
He's some loser I found in a cardboard box outside my house. :3

Why did it take you so long to make an account, btw.
Must be the sexiest loser to ever be found in a cardboard box.

Also, I've had an account for a while now, just never used it. I find it hard to contribute to actual discussion. :|
 

Coolshark

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ModestlyNarcissistic said:
Overusedname said:
He's some loser I found in a cardboard box outside my house. :3

Why did it take you so long to make an account, btw.
Must be the sexiest loser to ever be found in a cardboard box.

Also, I've had an account for a while now, just never used it. I find it hard to contribute to actual discussion. :|
Wowie Zowie, it's the not so modest half of ModestlyProphItic!

I didn't know you lurked here.
 
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Coolshark said:
Wowie Zowie, it's the not so modest half of ModestlyProphItic!

I didn't know you lurked here.
Well, I didn't pick the name because it sounded cool.
I mean, that was also a reason, but I digress.
You'd be surprised where you could find me. Just need to know where to look~
 

False Nobility

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Okay, just finished watching, absolutely love it. You and the guy directly above my comment have great comedic chemistry on camera as well as in your let's play stuff.

Side note, good episode of MP today as well. Busy day for you guys huh?
 
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False Nobility said:
Okay, just finished watching, absolutely love it. You and the guy directly above my comment have great comedic chemistry on camera as well as in your let's play stuff.

Side note, good episode of MP today as well. Busy day for you guys huh?
More like a busy week for me and busy WEEKS for Mark. Mark's been work on part 2 of Majora for quite sometime and I've been doing most of the editing for MP except this week's since I was having a great deal of trouble with some footage we captured which may or may not premiere next week.

BI the way, it's something you all might find
O so
SHOCKing.

*Cough* Oh, God, that was cheesy... *Cough* I-I taste blood. I'm so sorry.
 

Overusedname

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ModestlyNarcissistic said:
False Nobility said:
Okay, just finished watching, absolutely love it. You and the guy directly above my comment have great comedic chemistry on camera as well as in your let's play stuff.

Side note, good episode of MP today as well. Busy day for you guys huh?
More like a busy week for me and busy WEEKS for Mark. Mark's been work on part 2 of Majora for quite sometime and I've been doing most of the editing for MP except this week's since I was having a great deal of trouble with some footage we captured which may or may not premiere next week.

BI the way, it's something you all might find
O so
SHOCKing.

*Cough* Oh, God, that was cheesy... *Cough* I-I taste blood. I'm so sorry.
Subtle~

But yeah, it's been kinda chaotic. Muuuuch better now though. I was able to get like half of this done in the week since I've been back from school.

The sickness was the bigger issue.
 

Overusedname

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Coolshark said:
I picked a good day to log in.

First, glad you're back. Second, awesome work, really like how smooth all the editing and such is, even better than the last one. I'm sure your let's play stuff helped with that :p The four is death thing is very interesting, glad you brought it up, but the Grief stages thing blew my mind. That's some elaborate stuff. Nintendo's pretty cray cray. But yeah, doesn't seem like that could be a coincidence.

Also, hate to be that guy, but you used a lot of cool music in this...and I don't know what a lot of it is from. Could you list it at some point? It would be rad.

Thanks for this, is nice.
Thanks yo, and I agree, the mourning thing was my favorite pattern (took a while to dissect.)

I think I can whip up a list a little later.
 

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When you brought up that it was one of only two moments that you'd actually cried in gaming, I tried to remember the last time I did. I know there was a somewhat recent one, but I couldn't bring it to mind. (Quite possibly Mass Effect.) The one that did come to mind? Take a random guess which game it was?

Yup. Same game. Majora's Mask. Specifically Anju and Kafei's final moment. What is it about this game...

Anyway, good to have you back, good to know things are better, and looking forward to part 3.
 

Hydro14

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As an interesting observation, Majora's Mask seemed to start a pattern of having anything to do with death in Zelda games working on base four. (for Twilight Princess, anything to do with the twilight realm works in fours - four pieces of the mirror of twilight, four fragments of the fused shadow - while in the series as a whole everything to do with the living works in multiples of 3: the triforce, the 3 spiritual stones, 6 medallions, 3 flames of the goddesses, four fights against Demise, three living dragons the fourth of whom is dead when you find them, eight stops for the ghost ship, four dead bosses repeated beneath the waves - though apparently there were meant to be five until a dungeon got cut due to executive meddling).

Never would've picked up on the stages of grief, mind blown there, I had the whole theme of the game marked down as rejection so I was completely barking up the wrong tree. I'd even rationalised the four guardian marks as different elements of savagery - rejection of civilised values etc. will elaborate on request. Odolwa was barbarism, Goht was primal force, Gyorg was predation, Twin Mould was decay. (To indulge in a tangential topic for a moment, Twin Mould is a carrion worm. What do you imagine must've lived in that desert before it came along that was big enough for its corpse to let a carrion worm get THAT BIG!?) This interpretation kinda holds up on a superficial level - the masks represent a rejection of identity, time travel represents rejection of consequence and accountability (tends to do that in a lot of games, see Prince of Persia for example, excluding Two Thrones where they decided to chisel the analogy into an anvil and drop it on the player's head with that scene in the well) but your interpretation is actually built into the game's world itself and is present beyond a mechanical level so I'd agree it's probably what the developers were going for.

The masks seem to be more tied to tradition in several ancient cultures for funeral masks. I know in Egypt the mask was only ever worn by the deceased, but in some Roman funerals relatives would wear a mask of the deceased for the ceremony as if the deceased was still there. This seems to have a parallel with how Link uses the transformation masks to channel the spirits of the dead and he wears them in the presence of others who were close to the deceased but have not had the chance to say goodbye. Was there anything similar in east Asian cultural history? I would argue that the giant's mask and fierce deity mask be discounted from any list of transformation masks - they don't have the same uses, they are sorted differently in the inventory screen and are only available in boss battles - the masks may be made from the dead but they are a way to keep them anchored to the living and have more to do with life than death, therefore I must argue that there are three, not four or five. (I noticed you said four in the video, not sure if you meant the giant's mask or fierce deity mask as the fourth)

The only issue is tying in the time travel mechanic with these themes of death and grief. On the one hand, every time he uses it Link ends up back in clock town i.e. back in denial. Another way of looking at it is setting Link us as this godlike figure (fierce DEITY mask for instance?) who can overcome the inevitability of death. He doesn't have to face that fourth day like everyone else. By building him up in this manner it not only adds to the player's power fantasy but also adds credence to your interpretation of the Goron section - if Link is at an elevated position their bargaining makes more sense. (interpretation kind of breaks down if you consider that they think they're appealing to Darmani instead of Link)

As a parting note, I can't help but wonder if the ambiguity you noted concerning the Gorons was a case of the text being a victim of its own media form. People asking you to do stuff for them doesn't stand out in a video game as much as it should because all the NPCs do it all the time. XD

Great to see you doing more of this, brilliant work.

Edit: Now here's something interesting - if Majora is linked to death, why does his battle have 3 stages?
 

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The_Darkness said:
When you brought up that it was one of only two moments that you'd actually cried in gaming, I tried to remember the last time I did. I know there was a somewhat recent one, but I couldn't bring it to mind. (Quite possibly Mass Effect.) The one that did come to mind? Take a random guess which game it was?

Yup. Same game. Majora's Mask. Specifically Anju and Kafei's final moment. What is it about this game...
I know man, it just does that to people. In the comments section I see people saying they connected to the same stuff.


Anyway, good to have you back, good to know things are better, and looking forward to part 3.
Thank you, can't wait to deliver it~
 

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Hey man that's great but question though.
At the beginning with the laundry, you used a piece of music.
Where did you get that from? I must know for I was hit by the nostalgia, but from where I don't know.
Is it Myst? I'm getting the feeling it's from Myst.
 

chikusho

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Overusedname said:
There is no "correct" order for the stages of grief, nor do they always occur.
However, the Kubler Ross model initially presented the stages in that order, yes.
Either way, fairly well put together and good observations. A bit on the long side for my taste, and I could do without some of the fluff, but you've got a good tone and voice in your narration that feels like it comes natural without just sounding like rambling.

Keep at it.