Making of Halo 4: Return of the Forerunners (Vidoc)

[Korten12]

I'm not the biggest fan of Halo and I don't really know a lot other than playing the 3 games but I thought it was obvious by the end of the 3rd game that the Forerunners were human. The Oracle guilty spark thing refers to Chief as reclaimer, meaning he's reclaiming the halo ring. And the bad guy at the end of Halo 3 says something to seargent Johnson about humans being Forerunner. I assumed that Forerunners were hamanities ancestors and that some must have become stranded on earth and wasn't the Ark halo ring hidden on earth?

Bungie original intent was that the Forerunners indeed were Ancient Humans, but this has since been retconend by 343i to make them seperate Species, but were created by the race: Precursors. Ancient Human's and Forerunners at one time fought against each other, and Ancient Humanity lost and was banished and devolved on Earth.

The Portal to the Ark was on Earth, the Ark itself (Lesser Ark) was located at the outside of the Milky Way Galaxy.

That first paragraph was for you, the second for the thread. Don't feel so privileged next time. I merely corrected where you were wrong, and agreed when you were right. It wasn't blind defence, sunshine - in fact, your reasons for not wanting the game are so off-mark I'd think you were trolling, especially given your douchebag response. No room for any discussion with you, is there?

Sorry about that. Today hasn't been a good day for me, what with having to put up with hypocrisy to the nth degree over Bayonetta, and I was in a bad mood when I typed that. I apologize.

I just really have trouble with how this game is developing. Gameplay wise I know what to expect from a Halo game, and I doubt 343 is going to do anything new on that front. Which only leaves the story, and I'm rather bothered by it. Why do the Forerunner's Prometheans want to threaten the galaxy? With the flood threat minimal at the moment (in Stasis or at least quarantined on Ring Installations and Shield Worlds), what motivation is there to suddenly go "THE GALAXY IS IN DANGER"?

And I have a big issue with sequel escalation because I see it as a crutch. Need to outdo the first? Just make all the stakes higher! It's like my previous analogy with the Star Wars EU, or more likely, the jump from Taken to Taken 2 (The Liam Neeson Movies). It's more of the same, but bigger.

They actually haven't confirmed that the Prometheans are the 'true' threat, I feel like this is going to be another Halo CE situation where half-way through or near the end the 'true' threat will appear but instead of it being the Flood, it will be the Precursors.

As far as we know, the Shield World houses a WMD, and the Promtheans are guarding it from both the UNSC and the Covenant.

 

[Shadow flame master]

I'm gonna go ahead and say that I am really excited for Halo 4. The Prometheans look every bit as lethal for being under control by the Fore-runners.

I can already tell that I'm gonna die a lot.

 

[IBlackKiteI]

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The character that truly hated Halsey were only getting select information from Paragonsky to make her look bad and use her as a scapegoat so the heads up at ONI (Paragonsky, formerly Ackerson and such) wouldn't fall or take the blame for any of it.

Also you do realize they did the Spartan II just to see how far they could and punish any insurrectionist that tried to do anything against the UNSC? They weren't made for the Covenant, they were made to simply punish those who essentially disobey the UNSC.

That is pretty damn fucking evil right there. Not to say Ackerson was any better, but considering he paid for it and died, and he was a big guy in ONI, they wouldn't let him take the blame for anything.

I seem to recall reading online that a SPARTAN talked about how evil Halsey was and punched her in the face...a SPARTAN II...you know, the people that looked up to her as a foster mother? That seems to be demonizing her quite a bit, a because a SPARTAN would NEVER do that to freaking Halsey of all people. Also the book takes a couple of liberties to make Halsey look bad, like making it so that she started the SPARTAN project instead of ONI and that she covered up the whole flash cloning thing, even though ONI also authorized that. Also I don't care what character did it, if someone constantly says bad things about another character, and said character is unable to come up with a good counter-argument because the author doesn't want them to, it's still bashing.

Actually the SPARTAN IIs were created because there was no other way to stop the Innies short of all out martial law, they were viewed as a last resort, and I would like to remind you that before the project was commissioned, the Innies had killed over a million people, many of them civilians. And it's doubly bullshit when the book demonizes the SPARTAN II project, but defends the SPARTAN III because they "had to do what they had to do" and even says that Ackerson was a nice gay (not only did he use kids as cannon fodder and try to kill Chief, they guy was a flat out jackass). I know that the SPARTAN project is supposed to be a morally gray area, but that's the thing, it's a morally gray area, not the embodiment of all evil. So yeah, I don't like the book because Traviss fell into a basic mistake that many fanfictions do. This person is right, everyone who disagrees with them is wrong. If you still believe the book didn't bash her, I respectfully disagree.

The Spartan that punched her was Lucy, a Spartan-III who had no idea who Halsey was prior to being stuck with her on Onyx.

capacha, dinosaurs on a spaceship...Elites?

No, The Doctor! :3

I think they really failed on the design if what the lady (whose name i have forgotten!) says was their intent on doing. "There not monsters" *Creepy Skull face* "There not Robots" *Cue Robot like noises and general robotish appearance*. And while i do love the three enemy units so far, i really hope they add in new unit types and not just variants.

Also, why do they threaten the Universe? have they said why? what is it that they are doing exactly? my Googling Skills leave me with naught but more questions.

And my god, did they continue on after Ghosts Of Onyx? I'm so behind right now, its actually shameful.

Some more quick googling, she's the mother of Miranda Keyes? That feels...Forced?

Pretty sure they're keeping the exact nature of the threat a secret for now.

Figured as much. I swear if its another Universe wide life destroyer like with the rings and the Flood then i'll be disappointed, we've been there, we've done that, c'mon throw me a curve ball!.

They shouldn't try and one up the mass potential devastation of the last game. "Its not just one corner of the galaxy, its everything" is such a silly statement, One corner of the galaxy was plenty panic enough.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. We haven't been given a concrete threat...but there are still five Halo rings out there...just saying.

Yes i know that. Merely speculating for the hell of it.
Stating the entire universe is at stake does imply a certain manner of the threat. Usually some Magic McGuffin Machine in most games.
If it has anything to do with the rings then Disappoint, i will haz.

I'm sorry, you'll be disappointed if they bring in the rings? You don't want them to use the rings, you don't want them to use a new superweapons...what do you want 343 to do exactly? I'm sorry but you don't just introduce seven weapons of mass destruction, blow up two and then pretend that the rest don't exist.

what about Homecoming? Where the Spartan made a break for it and discovered her flash clone? Halsey wasn't exactly the kindest person in that story either.

You do know that that wasn't made by Microsoft, Bungie or 343 right? If you consider Legends as canon, then Chief lost in one on one combat with a Major, you can use an energy sword to block bullets, a SPARTAN somehow got out of the project and joined the Marines, Hunters can be the size of buildings, SPARTANs have hair that go down to their shoulders, and the UNSC has space motorcycles and mini Gundams. Legends doesn't really follow the Halo canon that well.

I don't particularly like Legends myself (Apart from the one with the Dinosaur), but that's what I'm getting at. What makes a novel more legitimate a part of the EU than an anime adaptation? And why should you be trying to treat glasslands differently because you dislike how it portrays halsey when another piece of media does the same thing and you choose to ignore it?

I like them, but I don't consider them canon. Because Glasslands was put out by 343 and Microsoft, and it is part of a trilogy that is specifically made to tie Halo 3 to Halo 4, and considering how a couple of Traviss' EU characters got into Gears of War 3, and how Halsey is supposed to be in Halo 4, I'm pretty sure that what happens in Glasslands is going to be in Halo 4 in some way shape and form, therefore it has a lot more impact than Homecoming did and is practically being declared canon by 343 and microsoft, and it might affect the main games.

The anime are canon aside from odd one out, although the asthetics aren't canon. Babysitter actually introduced Ancient Human ruins, before the book game out revealing it and various pieces of canon reference the anime in various ways.

Since 343 actually did help with some of the stories.

Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that Glasslands is ten times as more likely to leak out of the EU and into Halo 4 than Homecoming.

We've had the Rings, the Rings were super OP weapons. I'm kinda exhausted with that premise. I want them to try something new, i'm sure someone from the RP section of the forum could cook something up. Point is i'd like a little difference in my Over-reaching Trilogy plots.

Something different? You mean like what Reach and ODST did with a straight up fighting the bad guys plot? I guess I could see that, but frankly I don't mind where Halo 4 is going. It seems like it's trying to recapture the magic of Halo CE, and as someone who missed out on it the first time and didn't really recapture the spark with anniversary, I'm all for it.

Yeah, but a big part of what made CE so great was just the mystery, uniqueness and sense of wonder behind the ringworld. The abandoned Forerunner spires for instance, and of course the Flood reveal. Without even taking into account anything else, these two things coupled with the scope of the setting (even if it was moreso an illusion, just riding around in a warthog, not being shot at for a few moments and just driving across a greeny green field was somehow weirdly awesome) made for one of my all time favourite settings in any game.

Halo 4 won't necessarily be bad, but this series doesn't seem to have that sense of wonder anymore.

 

[Bvenged]

That first paragraph was for you, the second for the thread. Don't feel so privileged next time. I merely corrected where you were wrong, and agreed when you were right. It wasn't blind defence, sunshine - in fact, your reasons for not wanting the game are so off-mark I'd think you were trolling, especially given your douchebag response. No room for any discussion with you, is there?

Sorry about that. Today hasn't been a good day for me, what with having to put up with hypocrisy to the nth degree over Bayonetta, and I was in a bad mood when I typed that. I apologize.

I just really have trouble with how this game is developing. Gameplay wise I know what to expect from a Halo game, and I doubt 343 is going to do anything new on that front. Which only leaves the story, and I'm rather bothered by it. Why do the Forerunner's Prometheans want to threaten the galaxy? With the flood threat minimal at the moment (in Stasis or at least quarantined on Ring Installations and Shield Worlds), what motivation is there to suddenly go "THE GALAXY IS IN DANGER"?

And I have a big issue with sequel escalation because I see it as a crutch. Need to outdo the first? Just make all the stakes higher! It's like my previous analogy with the Star Wars EU, or more likely, the jump from Taken to Taken 2 (The Liam Neeson Movies). It's more of the same, but bigger.

Yeah I share your concern with the story, it does seem a little hyperbole. What interest me in it is how they're developing the story of John, that's what I'm playing the story for because the chief is supposed to be a war machine, but 343 claim they're taking away his guaranteed beloved hero status.

It's cool dude, I accept your apology, I'm like that too if I've just been looking at youtube comments or watching IGN/Gamespot.

 

[Applejack]

I'm not the biggest fan of Halo and I don't really know a lot other than playing the 3 games but I thought it was obvious by the end of the 3rd game that the Forerunners were human. The Oracle guilty spark thing refers to Chief as reclaimer, meaning he's reclaiming the halo ring. And the bad guy at the end of Halo 3 says something to seargent Johnson about humans being Forerunner. I assumed that Forerunners were hamanities ancestors and that some must have become stranded on earth and wasn't the Ark halo ring hidden on earth?

Bungie original intent was that the Forerunners indeed were Ancient Humans, but this has since been retconend by 343i to make them seperate Species, but were created by the race: Precursors. Ancient Human's and Forerunners at one time fought against each other, and Ancient Humanity lost and was banished and devolved on Earth.

The Portal to the Ark was on Earth, the Ark itself (Lesser Ark) was located at the outside of the Milky Way Galaxy.

Sad. I liked the idea that we were discovering our ancient history and the mystery of what happended. Instead they're following the current popular trend of ugly aliens made humans. How could monster robots make cute cuddly beautiful humans?

 

[Souplex]

This post is disregarding whatever information I have obtained from reading the first page of this thread, as this was my initial theory.
I heard that the plot of 4 has to do with the return of the Forerunners, and they're hostile to humans.
I assume the Covenant races would be willing to fight on behalf of the Forerunners since they're god figures to them.