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Brotherofwill

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AnarchistAbe said:
Why is the Macho-Man so hated in the gaming community? Am I the only one who likes playing an 80s Action Hero as my video game persona? I love the Rambo/John McClain macho badass banter, but it seems that it is constantly ripped apart in the games media.

Have all gamers been so emotionally ripped apart by "bros" and "football jock douches" that they can't enjoy the macho-man for fear of being thrown in a trashcan and given a wedgie? All joking aside: really, what is the issue with having a character that has muscles on his muscles and uses a gun as big as he is?
John McClain and Rambo are probably the perfect examples of 'manly' men and not machos if compared to the article's definition. They are strong, masculine etc but have the crucial human element in their characters. Rambo goes a bit overboard in the latest movies (to put it mildly) but he's still a rather ok.

No problem with playing strong men with overcompensating weapons aslong as they aren't thick and dim-witted.
 

gamegod25

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I think Issac Clarke is a manly man. He dresses appropriately (full body engineering rig and helmet he never takes off) and efficiently(can carry a crap ton of ammo, health packs, air tanks, etc), properly armed (repurposed mining equipment/tools), helps his allies without complaint, and is able to realistically face whatever nasty mutant abominations are in the way to save his sweetheart and get the job done.

Yes he doesn't quite meet the emotional parts but I think that was because he was supposed to be more of a blank slate for the player like say Gordon Freeman. And in DS2 they are giving him more personality and a voice this time.
 

cauby

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ultimateownage said:
So, where does Gordon Freeman come in this?
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Anyone else thinks Yahtzee forgot about the manliest man of all?

Honestly,i don't even think Gordon Freeman is human.For all that matters,they could replace him for Dog and i would not even notice.GF does'nt show any kind of emotions,so he can't be qualified in either category.
 

quantum mechanic

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Nicely put, sir. I have been trying to point out the difference between manly and macho to my male friends for some time now, and now I can just send them a link.
 

Seneschal

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Ok why does everyone bag on marcus fenix for being an emotionaly jaded psychopath?
Does anyone remember when marcus was dragged by his best friend Dom out of a prison crawling with locust? Does anyone remember Colonel Hoffman saying how he had left him there to rot after pulling every other prisoner out?

Now tell me, if you were a young man, emotionaly stunted by the dissapearence of your mother when you were a child, raised by an uncaring father, joining the military at a young age, being helpless and forced to bear witness too the death of a childhood friend and father figure, then being put into a war winning battle only to have your father put in danger, your one chance to rescue him fails, you are then put in prison for several years as the world burns around you and you are left too rot, would you not be a little bit emotionaly jaded?

Also, you have to fight for survival in a regular prison, so who knows what happens when the prison is over run by alien monsters who want nothing more than to rip your face off. Regardless of how you physically deal with prison, no one escapes without any mental scars.
Marcus was abandoned and condemned to almost certain death by one of the few father figures he had, only to be saved by the brother that he never had.
I think it would be unrealistic if marcus fenix didn't appear to be an emotionally dead psychopath and besides, its not that he doesn't have emotions, its that he has trouble expressing them.

Marcus Fenix is a great character and is simply missunderstood by those who look at a game and see only shallow characters, just pixels with big guns, however a little probing into the gears mythos reveals that each character is just as realistic and human as any character in a novel, a movie or any other video game that you care to name.
To be fair, YES, you are right. All of the traits you mentioned exist, however...

Mythos aren't the easiest things to get into, and I would even go as far as to say that they don't count. They present what was missing, but a character's quality shouldn't depend on those - it should be obvious within the game itself. Pity the games don't even try to make the best of it. Despite these expansive backgrounds, the character interaction itself feels largely single-tone - "grim determination and gallows humor" as Yahtzee put it. The gears may all have psychological profiles somewhere on a wikia page, but these aren't handled well.

It takes none of the fun out of the game, though, but you can't really complain if it's the butt monkey in any discussion on well-written characters. They don't shine through, but the gameplay doesn't suffer for it.
 

RowdyRodimus

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All these comments and yet a single Randy Savage reference? Seriously, Yahtzees definition of a Macho Man is almost 100% the character that Macho Man Randy Savage portrayed in the mid-late 80's. Give him an oversized gun and you have a direct match.
 

menamebephil

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I always figured that the reason Kratos got a pass on this was that we weren't supposed to empathise with him.

He was a psychotic, emotionally stunted lunatic, but he was that way on purpose, not due to bad writing.
 

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Seneschal said:
space isn't really cold .
2.725 kelvin isn't cold? But its nice that you felt you knew something.

Spaceships become cold because of the heat that radiates off of them.
 

Callate

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A) Well said, and I agree, and

B) You haven't recently become aware of Rebecca Mayes by any chance, have you?
 

tzimize

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-Torchedini- said:
Warrior Within was the best PoP and still is.

But I get your point
Are you serious? Thats like saying Star wars I was the best star wars ever made :< Emo characters, terrible soundtrack, a female sidekick/storyperson about as interesting as a brick wall, how was this the best pop? Unless...irony......
 

Delicious Anathema

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Along with the boring cover-based shooting and dull graphics, the characters in Gears Of War are the reason that game put me off so much. It was especially embarassing when they tried to be sentimental towards Dom's wife and his grief, coming across as emotional as a brick, just as the chick from Wet did.

Even characters like Lara Croft, Mario, Sonic, or Link have more going about them than these macho guys. Hell, even Companion Cube had better characterization than Marcus could ever wish.
Chris Redfield kinda blurs the line between manly and macho I think.

A good manly character is James Sunderland, or Leon S. Kennedy, they are great.

That said, I'm a manly man, albeit cold at times, but I definately respect and rely upon other people, though my range of emotions isn't as large (not a crying person, though I can be deeply moved, just with a blank expression). I have no qualms about making a twat of myself around friends.

Good article, finally someone who agrees with me in regards to the over-masculinization of videogame characters.
 

Aiddon_v1legacy

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well Yahtzee pretty much describes to a tee what is a MAJOR problem in a lot of games nowadays. If you honestly think I'm going to empathize with a bunch of paper-thin cutouts that were born from the fantasies of insecure game designers then you have serious issues (looking at Kratos, some instances of Snake, Marcus Fenix, etc). Macho men are basically satirical so taking them seriously is a mistake.
 

mjc0961

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Because of this, I will probably not be able to play Gears of War without having the "Macho Man" song playing in the back of my mind. Thanks, Yahtzee. :p
 

Seneschal

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Supp said:
Seneschal said:
space isn't really cold .
2.725 kelvin isn't cold? But its nice that you felt you knew something.

Spaceships become cold because of the heat that radiates off of them.
I guess you also feel you know something. Does it matter if it radiates? At least for Yahtzee's purposes. Cold isn't the same as "low temperature." The feeling of cold is subjective to the object experiencing it. In any case, no, space isn't cold enough to freeze any spacecraft engine. There is a mistaken notion that the 3 kelvin in space is much worse than being submerged in freezing water, when in fact, underwater your heat is transferred, while in space your heat is radiated. And the latter process is less efficient, so you'll sooner freeze to death in arctic waters than in space. That's why I said not to trust freakin' movies.

If the craft in question has any power or life-support systems (which I presume it does, since a pilot is on-board) they would produce enough waste heat to prevent the engines from ever freezing, even enough to cook the crew alive if the vessel didn't radiate this heat. So, just "engines not functioning for a few seconds" won't render a ship inoperable.
 

werekitsune

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Macgyvercas said:
Soooooo...would Kratos be a manly man or a macho man? Because he has characteristics of both. Sure he's a dick who does things out of his own sense of vengence on those who wrong him (macho man), but he can also please the ladies to no end (manly man, apparently).

I have to stop this now. My head is hurting.

Great read though.
But there are not strictly two categories for males to fall in, this just the point Yatzhee is making about the two most common types. You can get a pussy or a boy as a main character, and "manly" and "macho" don't fully explain what a male character can be, although I liked Yatzhee's analysis. And Kratos would probably best be described as psychotic, which is a legitimate way to describe a character if he lack the insecurity typical of the macho man but is possessed by a monstrous rage to have revenge on everyone.
 

Enigma6667

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I get your point. However, Marcus Fenix isn't the worst macho man. Sure he has the ridiculously big armor, and the absolutely annoying "gruff" voice, but there were at least some traces of humanity inside him in Gears of War 2. He even showed some sadness when one of his comrades committed suicide, after being tortured...of course only to get back to being a dick again.

But still, your list of manly men was spot-on! Niko is definitely a great character. Haven't played ACII yet, but I've heard some good things about Ezio.