Male victims of sexual violence in games, comics, movies, whatever.

[Carpenter]

'Razor wire pubic hair' is a short bizzaro novel by (I forget) and its pretty much exactly what you described. Think a mad max type world populated by women and ridiculous clones of men with 3 penis' and no arms etc, for the sole purpose of being sex toys for the perverse warrior women. It's sort of interesting in a weird way, but mostly it felt like the author was trying too hard to be different. The dom-sub romance that sprouts out of nowhere is also pretty lame.

Y the last man deals with it in an infinetly more interesting manor.

As for why this sort of thing is rarely ever portrayed with the same frequency as women. Well put simply it wouldn't happen.

In an appocolypse type of situation, men would simply be in more of a position to exert their power over women en mass than vice verssa. As a whole men are stronger and much more physically capable than women. Exceptions to the rule don't break it.

Men do get raped in fiction a lot, but its usually by other men because 1. thats more disturbing to most men and 2. its more understandable. There is however a whole fetish built around being dominated by women.

There are also fetishes based around women wanting to be dominated by men.
Does this mean it's unlikely that a man would rape a woman? The fact that a guy likes being dominated by women doesn't mean he really wants to be raped by women. BDSM Is not rape, or even close to it, it's consensual sex involving simulated domination and submission.

How the fuck did you get that from what I said?

I was just pointing it out for context in the discussion.

I'm getting seriously sick of the strawmen that get hauled up in these discussions.

An example and a strawman are not the same thing. Not once did I use the phrase "so what you're saying is" before giving said example.

"There is however a whole fetish built around being dominated by women."

Which seems to imply that there are not the same fetishes involving every other gender.

 

[Ignatz_Zwakh]

The protagonist of the manga Berserk is raped while he's a young man. His own adoptive father sells his ass off to a fellow mercenary for a few extra bucks.

 

[Carpenter]

'Razor wire pubic hair' is a short bizzaro novel by (I forget) and its pretty much exactly what you described. Think a mad max type world populated by women and ridiculous clones of men with 3 penis' and no arms etc, for the sole purpose of being sex toys for the perverse warrior women. It's sort of interesting in a weird way, but mostly it felt like the author was trying too hard to be different. The dom-sub romance that sprouts out of nowhere is also pretty lame.

Y the last man deals with it in an infinetly more interesting manor.

As for why this sort of thing is rarely ever portrayed with the same frequency as women. Well put simply it wouldn't happen.

In an appocolypse type of situation, men would simply be in more of a position to exert their power over women en mass than vice verssa. As a whole men are stronger and much more physically capable than women. Exceptions to the rule don't break it.

Men do get raped in fiction a lot, but its usually by other men because 1. thats more disturbing to most men and 2. its more understandable. There is however a whole fetish built around being dominated by women.

There are also fetishes based around women wanting to be dominated by men.
Does this mean it's unlikely that a man would rape a woman? The fact that a guy likes being dominated by women doesn't mean he really wants to be raped by women. BDSM Is not rape, or even close to it, it's consensual sex involving simulated domination and submission.

How the fuck did you get that from what I said?

I was just pointing it out for context in the discussion.

I'm getting seriously sick of the strawmen that get hauled up in these discussions.

An example and a strawman are not the same thing. Not once did I use the phrase "so what you're saying is" before giving said example.

That's a bullshit copout and you know it.

There are also fetishes based around women wanting to be dominated by men.
Does this mean it's unlikely that a man would rape a woman?

Why make that example if you weren't insinuating that I was making the same assertion [reversed]?

"There is however a whole fetish built around being dominated by women."

Which seems to imply that there are not the same fetishes involving every other gender.

How does that imply that there isn't a similar fetish to do with other genders?

This is a conversation about how females dominating and raping males is a rather thin occurrence in modern media.

The fact that there is a lot of fetishism around males being dominated by females was relevant to the topic.

Would you like me to list all the other irrelevant fetishes, just so you don't think that by me not mentioning them I'm implying they don't exist?

Fine, it's a copout. I guess to not "copout" I need to be nice and sweet and put "in my opinion" or "no offense" in every post.

So why mention the fetish at all, only saying that it's a female domination fetish, if you were not implying such a thing? What was your point then? You can continue to whine that I misunderstood you, but that's a bit of a cop out when you could just explain what you meant by it.

Why not just say "domination fetishes are quite popular" or something? There are gay domination fetishes, wouldn't that also apply to this topic?

I'm not saying you need to list them all, I'm asking why you listed one specific one at all.

 

[Carpenter]

'Razor wire pubic hair' is a short bizzaro novel by (I forget) and its pretty much exactly what you described. Think a mad max type world populated by women and ridiculous clones of men with 3 penis' and no arms etc, for the sole purpose of being sex toys for the perverse warrior women. It's sort of interesting in a weird way, but mostly it felt like the author was trying too hard to be different. The dom-sub romance that sprouts out of nowhere is also pretty lame.

Y the last man deals with it in an infinetly more interesting manor.

As for why this sort of thing is rarely ever portrayed with the same frequency as women. Well put simply it wouldn't happen.

In an appocolypse type of situation, men would simply be in more of a position to exert their power over women en mass than vice verssa. As a whole men are stronger and much more physically capable than women. Exceptions to the rule don't break it.

Men do get raped in fiction a lot, but its usually by other men because 1. thats more disturbing to most men and 2. its more understandable. There is however a whole fetish built around being dominated by women.

There are also fetishes based around women wanting to be dominated by men.
Does this mean it's unlikely that a man would rape a woman? The fact that a guy likes being dominated by women doesn't mean he really wants to be raped by women. BDSM Is not rape, or even close to it, it's consensual sex involving simulated domination and submission.

How the fuck did you get that from what I said?

I was just pointing it out for context in the discussion.

I'm getting seriously sick of the strawmen that get hauled up in these discussions.

An example and a strawman are not the same thing. Not once did I use the phrase "so what you're saying is" before giving said example.

That's a bullshit copout and you know it.

There are also fetishes based around women wanting to be dominated by men.
Does this mean it's unlikely that a man would rape a woman?

Why make that example if you weren't insinuating that I was making the same assertion [reversed]?

"There is however a whole fetish built around being dominated by women."

Which seems to imply that there are not the same fetishes involving every other gender.

How does that imply that there isn't a similar fetish to do with other genders?

This is a conversation about how females dominating and raping males is a rather thin occurrence in modern media.

The fact that there is a lot of fetishism around males being dominated by females was relevant to the topic.

Would you like me to list all the other irrelevant fetishes, just so you don't think that by me not mentioning them I'm implying they don't exist?

Fine, it's a copout. I guess to not "copout" I need to be nice and sweet and put "in my opinion" or "no offense" in every post.

No, you just have to refrain from making ridiculous strawmen and then sayin

'lul, no strawman here, only irrelevant examples.'

So why mention the fetish at all, only saying that it's a female domination fetish, if you were not implying such a thing? What was your point then? You can continue to whine that I misunderstood you, but that's a bit of a cop out when you could just explain what you meant by it.

I did explain, perhaps you would like to read the comment again? No, I'll explain it again then.

This is a discussion about the lack of female on male domination in popular culture.

After I explained my theory on why I think this is, I pointed out that there is infact a fetish built on the idea.

.... Do you see how this is relevant to the discussion and how male on female dominant fetishism isn't? Do you also see that by me mentioning IN PASSING, that there is some female on male dominant fetishism, I'm not denying that the reverse is also true, nor that this fetish somehow moots male on female rape or whatever the fuck that 'example' you gave was supposed to mean.

If not then there's no hope for you.

Why not just say "domination fetishes are quite popular" or something? There are gay domination fetishes, wouldn't that also apply to this topic?

Have you even fucking read the OP? He was asking why female on male domination is so scarce... pointing out that there is a fetish devoted to it is sort of relevant to the discussion while male on female domination isn't.

Why would I point something out that wasn't relevant to the topic?

I'm not saying you need to list them all, I'm asking why you listed one specific one at all.

I mean, if someone did a bizzarro Frank miller comic or game or something, where men are consistently depicted as sex objects for capable women and victims of sexual violence or exploitation, or someone used the "woman in Refridgerator trope in reverse, how would that be reacted to? Would people read it? Would it be an interesting change to see a woman surrounded by sexualised, victimised men, or would everyone hate it?

And the "lols" fake quote wasn't a strawman?

Real mature, real civilized man. If you want to get emotional over this, maybe you should just go find somebody else to argue with.

How does a fetish being involved with it explain a lack of it in the media? Why doesn't it cause a lack of female sexual abuse victims being portrayed?
BTW I never said you claimed the others don't exist, I said that is what your statement implied. If that's not what you meant, why mention it at all since the existence of those other fetishes not hindering the depiction of female abuse victims has already disproven your previous claim.

The OP did not ask why female on male domination isn't popular in the media, it was a discussion on male sexual abuse victims in the media.
Yes your statement is relevant (again I never questioned that) I am asking why you bring it up here if it serves no purpose.

If you're response to a disagreement is cursing like an angry child, perhaps you should avoid these forums.

 

[Madotsuki]

I've been at Uboachan too long.
I see a thread like this and I'm genuinely surprised when most people (save Abandon here) are treating this topic with respect and intelligence.
I think I'll like it here.

 

[Carpenter]

You're really bad at this.

And the "lols" fake quote wasn't a strawman?

Not really, that's hyperbole because the only thing I added was 'lul' and 'irrelevant'

Real mature, real civilized man. If you want to get emotional over this, maybe you should just go find somebody else to argue with.

Perhaps you should actually read and understand a persons post before replying to it with some complete BS that comes out of nowhere and has nothing to do with what they said.

Probably wouldn't get quite as hostile a response then.

How does a fetish being involved with it explain a lack of it in the media?

Are you just being ridiculous to tick me off now?

Go read my fucking post, the whole fetish thing was a passing comment about it being in certain parts of modern culture, not an explanation of why it's lacking in media.

Seriously, go back and read the damn post, you've got dick all idea what you're saying.

Why doesn't it cause a lack of female sexual abuse victims being portrayed?

Seriously.... WTF.

BTW I never said you claimed the others don't exist, I said that is what your statement implied.

Lame semantics argument disregarding actual intent of words.

If that's not what you meant, why mention it at all since the existence of those other fetishes not hindering the depiction of female abuse victims has already disproven your previous claim.

Seriously.... WTF?

I provided two examples of females dominating males on a large scale. One in a comic, one in a bizzaro novel. I then went on to posit my theory on why these types of literature aren't common place.

I then pointed out that there is a fetish built around the idea so although it's not common place, it's not a completely alien concept.

Go. Read. The. Fucking. Post.

The OP did not ask why female on male domination isn't popular in the media, it was a discussion on male sexual abuse victims in the media.

The first part yes, the part I was replying to.

I mean, if someone did a bizzarro Frank miller comic or game or something, where men are consistently depicted as sex objects for capable women and victims of sexual violence or exploitation, or someone used the "woman in Refridgerator trope in reverse, how would that be reacted to? Would people read it? Would it be an interesting change to see a woman surrounded by sexualised, victimised men, or would everyone hate it?

I bolded it out for you this time, seeing as you seem to have studiously ignored it in the last post.

Yes your statement is relevant (again I never questioned that) I am asking why you bring it up here if it serves no purpose.

Implying it serves no purpose when it's quite clearly providing an example of it being used in modern culture, even if it's not prevalent.

If you're response to a disagreement is cursing like an angry child, perhaps you should avoid these forums.

If it takes 4 different and totally unnecessary explanations for you to even partially understand a throw away comment that you appear to have read out of context from both the original post and the rest of the comment that you were quoting.

Then perhaps the forums aren't for you.

You're just going to end up annoying people.

Ok I'm just going to drop this since you are taking everything personally or intentionally trying to derail this thread.

I just pointed out how "female domination fetish" is not comparable to sexual assault, but I guess you just compared them to start a pointless argument. Since you can't carry a conversation without accusations and insults, I think we are done here.

 

[Jamash]

In Saints Row The Third Zimos the Pimp gets imprisoned in a S&M club (by a couple of powerful women), locked up in the Pony Farm and is forced to be a Brony for some years, all against his will.

Although it's played off as part of the wacky humour of Saints Row, it's still kidnapping, sexual enslavement and rape... while it's not clear whether he was actually penetrated, he was forced into a submissive role against his will and made to wear a ball-gag, horse tail butt plug and saddle, so it's is technically rape (or at the very least, gross sexual assault).

Again, it's mainly a humorous plot device, but the character is obviously very bothered by his ordeal and if a similar situation occurred to a female in the same game, or anyone in a more serious work of fiction, then it wouldn't quite be the laughing matter it is presented as in Saints Row The Third.

 

[Zen Toombs]

Oh yeah, there's also that dude from The Preacher series whose like a rapist for hire or something. Shouts "It's buggerin' time" and had a sidekick with glasses.

wat [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrossesTheLineTwice]

Spoiler: The first film to come to mind is Mysterious Skin.

It's a movie about two victims of child abuse. One of them moves to New York City becomes a prostitute, and is raped by a guy he picks up. It's a really hard scene to watch, I get a knot in my stomach just thinking about it.

Hey Mr. Person, welcome to the Escapist! Just so you know, here's the code for spoilers, just take out the spaces:

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Spoiler: For example

ZOMG MASSIVE SPOILERS!!!1!one

EDIT: So I see you've been here for a few years. Mistake due to post count! Anyways, hope that help with spoilers was actually relevant.

Spoiler: If so

Spoiler: If not

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[Zen Toombs]

I see a thread like this and I'm genuinely surprised when most people are treating this topic with respect and intelligence.
I think I'll like it here.

Probably. Most of the folks here are pretty cool. And welcome to the escapist, I likes your avatar.

 

[mronoc]

Spoiler: The first film to come to mind is Mysterious Skin.

It's a movie about two victims of child abuse. One of them moves to New York City becomes a prostitute, and is raped by a guy he picks up. It's a really hard scene to watch, I get a knot in my stomach just thinking about it.

Hey Mr. Person, welcome to the Escapist! Just so you know, here's the code for spoilers, just take out the spaces:

[ spoiler = The stuff you want the spoiler box to say ]Spoilers hide in here[ /spoiler ]

Spoiler: For example

ZOMG MASSIVE SPOILERS!!!1!one

well the problem is the mere act of mentioning the movie title in this thread is technically a spoiler.

 

[him over there]

In the film Super, Rainn Wilson's character is raped by Ellen Page's Boltie sidekick persona. And yes, it is rape. It's quite an uncomfortable scene to watch in a "dark comedy" tone.

To be honest I just found that scene funny. Rape is terrible and all that, but Rain Wilson just shouting "This is inappropriate!!" over and over was kinda hilarious.

That's one of the things about Super, a similar thing happens in a gun fight near the end. They exploit comedic timing and an absence of urgency to invoke laughs rather than screams. Then when it's all over it sort of dies down and the realization you're laughing at people get brutality murdered sink in.

 

[Jamieson 90]

It's defintely less common and I would assume that it's talked about less than female rape but it does occur in media. For example I can think of six films off the top of my head that include male rape/sexual acts.

1. Shawshank Redemption (heavily implied)
2. American History X.
3. Rambo (implied).
4. Sleepers (more insertion of object rather than full blown rape).
5. Harry Brown (?)
6. Pulp fiction (Yeah pretty explicit)

 

[LetalisK]

There is a surprisingly large amount of films with male rape in them:

http://www.listal.com/movies/male+rape

Oddly enough a lot of them seem to be romantic comedies aimed at women...

Did you look through that list? On the first page alone I can see several movies that I'm pretty damn sure don't have male rape in them(The Holiday, The Girl Next Door, 13 Going On 30, Sweet Home Alabama), and those are just the movies I've actually seen. I don't think the "male rape" tag is very accurate in this case.

Edit: Also, I noticed it's lacking some pretty obvious movies with male rape in it, like Horrible Bosses, so I'm gonna call shenanigans on that list.

 

[Luna]

The Kite Runner, chapter 7. That's all I can think of with my limited knowledge.


But idk if the gender of the victim makes the story more or less interesting.

 

[Carpenter]

Ok I'm just going to drop this since you are taking everything personally or intentionally trying to derail this thread.

I just pointed out how "female domination fetish" is not comparable to sexual assault, but I guess you just compared them to start a pointless argument. Since you can't carry a conversation without accusations and insults, I think we are done here.

I'm struggling to put in to words exactly how infuriating you are. Atleast in words that wouldn't get me banned.

I wasn't making a comparison to begin an argument. I have explained what I was doing on 4 separate occasions. It's not my fault you seem to be completely incapable of understanding anything.

Either go read the numerous comments explaining what I said or just don't reply.

Man you just need to calm down. It's seriously not healthy to get that angry at somebody you have never even seen over a disagreement online.

Seriously reevaluate what is important in your life. While you are accusing people of attacking you and insulting me, there's people in the world with real problems.