Man faces jail for handing in a gun.

[Hookman]

A man who wanted nothing more than to get a weapon away from the wrong hands gets chucked in jail but the idiots who go around hurting or even killing people with these weapons every day get off scott free,thats the justice system for you ladies and gents!

 

[JWAN]

Another note, theis guy stabbed a cop and was getting ready to finish her off when another cop shot the guy who was in "progress".

guess what happened:

they fired the cop. and then they fired the stabbed cop for standing up for the other one. (welcome to the most insulated city in the Midwest, Madison Wisconsin.)

Then the family claimed the stabber guy had a mental retardation (duh he was trying to kill a cop) then sued the city for 8 million dollars.

I think our legal system also needs some tweaking

I really hope your lying

nope, on Willie Street, Madison Wisconsin, at the BP gas station

(street named before Willie = penis)

 

[Frank_Sinatra_]

That is seriously messed up. He was doing a public service, but they decide to punish him for that?
Faith in humanity -10 points.

 

[JWAN]

Well, This is surprising, The UK looks like the U.S I better leave before things get...weird.

Crap like that only happens in a few states
-California
-New York
-Illinois
-Wisconsin
-DC (District, technically not a state)
other than that you call it in and they pick it up or you call them and tell them that you are bringing it in (PLEASE KEEP THE ACTION OPEN SO THEY CAN SEE ITS UNLOADED)

maybe that's why they were pissed at him.

 

[Nasti]

For all those confused by this: In a country with a gun ban. Do you think people should be allowed to carry a weapon in public?

I dont see why this is such a big deal, this guy broke the law doing an incredibly stupid thing. Just like a whole bunch of laws that prevent us from doing dangerous things, even with good reason.

Perhaps if honest intention could be proven the sentance should be lessened. But he did not tell the police what he was doing and he kept the gun for a day before handing it in. He doesnt seem so innocent now. Suppose the police had stopped him on the way to station, the situation could have been much worse.

 

[TyrantGanado]

The worst case is from a couple of years back, a father of seven got jailed for about six years. Why? For hitting, with his car, a yob who was part of a gang that had frequently terrorised the man's neighbourhood, had attempted to attack hiw wife, shouted obscenities at and threatened to attack his children and other residents. The father is still in jail and as far as I know, the yob is free. We are truly a broken society.

If people attempt to take the law into their own hands that is what happens. We don't need a bunch of vigilantes roaming the streets inflicting whatever forms of justice they deem suitable for the situation, like hitting someone with a car. Besides, in even the guy was an asshat and threatened the man, it's still a crime to plow into someone with a vehicle. I wish Ace_Of_Something was feeling well enough to participate in this thread.

It was in self defence primarily, the guy tried to drive away in his car while the hooligan was attempting to break the guy's windscreen to get at him, shouting and swearing at him, so the guy put it in gear and knocked the guy back. Yeah, technically illegal, I know, but my point is not standing up for vigilantes, it's deriding the justice system for giving harsher punishments to a man with justification for his actions than a guy with no justification and a worse criminal record.

 

[mikecoulter]

That's ridiculous. Surely not? Why!?

And they're on about trying to get the number of guns down off the streets, then go and do this? Nice one government!

 

[teh_gunslinger]

Of course we're entitled to complain about our government. It's practically our National pastime!

And we have rioted, many times. Cromwell for example. The trouble with revolutions is that we take out one imbecilic leader and replace him with another and it all goes round in one big circle. That's why they're called revolutions.

Reminds me an awful lot of Vimes/Keel in Nightwatch by Terry Pratchet. And a perfectly valid argument as well. A revolution seldom solves anything.

 

[IamQ]

WhhhhhaaaaaaaaAAAAAaaaAAAAaaaAAaaaattt.....?

 

[IamQ]

If he called, then why didn't they just tell him not to bring it on the fucking phone

 

[The Maddest March Hare]

Of course we're entitled to complain about our government. It's practically our National pastime!

And we have rioted, many times. Cromwell for example. The trouble with revolutions is that we take out one imbecilic leader and replace him with another and it all goes round in one big circle. That's why they're called revolutions.

Reminds me an awful lot of Vimes/Keel in Nightwatch by Terry Pratchet. And a perfectly valid argument as well. A revolution seldom solves anything.

You sir, get these. I was doubting that anyone would get that rather offhand reference.

And there is a lot of truth in Vimes' statement.

 

[Zac_Dai]

Seriously Americans thinking this bit of news somehow excuses there complete fuck up of a country amuses me greatly.

 

[CRAVE CASE 55]

Makes me proud to be an American... Thats just messed up.

 

[Snotnarok]

But seriously, that's fucked up, the police could have said "please do not touch the firearm sir it's illegal, we will send a car to pick it up" instead of letting him.

From reading the article ... I dont think he mentioned the gun in the phone call, so how would the police know to tell him that...

Read the article again, he "He even phoned ahead to announce his intention to hand it in, so the police wouldn't gun him down in fear."

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

Makes me proud to be an American... Thats just messed up.

We got some really stupid stuff of our own, you know.

 

[samsonguy920]

And I'm proud to be an American...

Except under the new laws coming out after 2001, there have been related incidents in the US, fortunately not handled in court as stupidly, it only went as far as the police. I will be more than happy to do my civil right and phone in if I find a firearm or other dangerous weapon, but this gets me thinking that I would just as soon not touch it. Would be my luck it was involved in some crime, and the idiots at the forensic lab find my prints on it and decide I am an involved party.
Guess the lesson here is, find something fishy, call it in, let the cops handle it. But otherwise don't touch it.

 

[teh_gunslinger]

You sir, get these. I was doubting that anyone would get that rather offhand reference.

And there is a lot of truth in Vimes' statement.

Oooh! Mah first internet and cookies!

And NW is perhaps my favourite Discworld book so I've read it more times than can be healthy.
No, wait, Jingo is my favourite. No no, Hogfather. Argh, I can't make the choice.

Incidentally, while the French Revolution kinda went off topic as it were, it did get rid of the monarchy. I whole heartedly support that notion. And Old Stoneface Vimes did once behead a king. Though it's not a family tradition.

 

[Ryan-Phoenixan]

I'd actually understand why the man would rather take it to the police station instead of calling on the phone. Afterall, while you were gone, the person who left it there could decide to pick it up, whatever I figure. I mean, why not pick it up and take to the police station rather than risk that?

Stupid technicalities. :\

 

[Gitsnik]

Way to go, British justice system.

I know this is waaay back on the first page, but I felt it warranted a mention:

It is not a justice system, it is a legal system. If it were a justice system this wouldn't have even made it to the court room, but as it is everyone is so flaming scared of making a non-pc comment that this sort of shit makes it to the court room - thus everything follows the letter of the law (even in dumbass cases like this), rather than the spirit.

I was in training to be a judge for a while, purely with the intent that I one day wanted to do this:

*starts laughing* Are you fucking serious?!? Get out of my court room.

Perhaps the fact that I don't know the difference has got something to do with English not being my primary language, but I'll take your word for it.

Also, that last part would have been very appropiate in this case. : /

If you think of it in simpler terms - Let's rename "justice" to "ice", and "legal" to "water". What we have here is a water system, when it should be an ice system. The same basic principals apply, the same foundations, but little differences (ice is a different form of water as justice is a different "form" of legality).

You know, that might make no sense at all, but maybe it helps a bit.

 

[Rokar333]

I can't believe that there are actually people here who don't see a damned thing wrong with this. The fact that firearms are illegal in the first place is pretty fucked up in itself, but the lack of literacy in the thread is even worse.

From the article:
"He even phoned ahead to announce his intention to hand it in, so the police wouldn't gun him down in fear."

So that would make this entrapment in any sane country.

The second thing is people saying that he deserves a "lesser sentence". Lesser doesn't mean much when the minimum is 5 years. It's nice to know that in your backwards country possession of a firearm by a soldier is worse than raping a 5 year old and a 7 year old. [link]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.154974?page=1[/link]. How the hell does this deserve a higher minimum sentence.

The justice system in your country is fucked up, fix it. Hell, even in America bad lawsuits will still get thrown out. It's gotta take some seriously brainwashing on your government's part that a full jury of his peers found him guilty to a minimum 5 years in prison. Britain Justice system <<<<< American Justice system. Now that is fucked up.