Man Flees From Nymphomaniac

[Thaluikhain]

(And I'm feeling slightly miffed that the OP insinuates a feminist wouldn't think so because feminism).

Only slightly? It was pretty blatant.

If I'd said I was mighty pissed because THAT stupid (still not original) remark came up again someone could hold my anger against be (oh those feminazis, always so angry). So I try to not show it too much, sometimes.

I can certainly understand that.

Who is arguing for those laws to treat all people equally when it comes to rape? Could it be feminists? Gosh, I think it is.

Yeah, that's right, the only people who ever argue for sexual equality are feminists.

Er, wanting equality between the sexes is sorta the definition of being a feminist.

 

[MomoElektra]

Hey, English is not my first language, I misread. Can you do without implying bad motives?

If English is not your first language, why do you care if it's a group that calls themselves "feminists", which is an English word, that argues the most for equality or not?

Feminist an English word? Yeah, right...

Yes.
Even if your language has a word that is spelt the same and pronounced the same, that doesn't mean that word has the same meaning.
We're talking about "feminist" as an English word here.

You are. I wasn't.

That's because many who call themselves feminists don't want outcomes that benefit men.

This is outright slander. Inflammatory nonsense.

Some are people who only care about women, and don't care if men benefit or not, while other outright want men to suffer.

Some of those are also very stupid. Women can be assholes too. There are some asshole feminists. It's nothing new and nothing spectacular.

Do many on here exaggerate the problem? Yes.
Does the opposing side constantly understate the problem? Also yes.

Aha.

I'm not sure you'd have to be lying. Considering what gets called a man hating feminazi here it's more likely you too use that term very loosely and not at all accurately.

The particular way you're accusing me of committing a falsehood doesn't change my point in the slightest.
Also, I haven't used the word feminazi once.

I didn't say you did. And I think it's very possible you are simply wrong.

Ouch. You just compared the existence of people of color to the existence of feminazis.

Yes, I did.
Care to actually respond to the point now, rather than just Appealing to Ridicule?

Show me one person who denies the existence of people of color and I'll consider it. Until then...

Edit: Anyway, if it comes down to burden of proof, then you made the positive claim that the majority of people who argue for equality in rape cases are feminists. Prove it.

Ehm, weren't you just admitting that you made that up? You know, for effect, and I never actually said that?

No, I never said that at all. For someone who doesn't like their words twisted, you sure like twisting everyone else's.

You made a positive claim which you have not backed up, to quote:

Btw, you know who mainly argues for laws defining rape as sex without someone's consent, including women raping men by envelopment, instead of just forceful penetration (which mostly means rape done by men) or the likes? Who is arguing for those laws to treat all people equally when it comes to rape? Could it be feminists? Gosh, I think it is.

You have consistently failed to back the claim you made there, and when ever asked have changed the subject. Not only failing the Burden of Proof, but also committing several Red Herring fallacies.

I meant among those that argue for a new and better definition of rape most are feminists. Sorry, that was not clear enough.

Check the records. Check blogs, it's all there.
Check even the MRA sites, where they don't embrace a new definition that would benefit them because the feminists came up with it first.
Why am I suddenly responsible for your education?

Hey, if you are allowed to argue from experience, you don't get to be angry (or whatever) when I do, too.

 

[MomoElektra]

OT: Problematic situation, as he complied it isn't really rape or anything as he still consented. You can always leave, whether by force or ingenuity you always have the option unles she tied you down and fucked you dead.

That would maybe depend on the finder details, which we don't know. She doesn't have to tie him down to coerce him, however.

I'd be careful with the "he just could have left", that's victim blaming.

 

[Maze1125]

Er, wanting equality between the sexes is sorta the definition of being a feminist.

Nope. [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/feminist?s=t]

The definition of feminist is someone who wants women to have all the good things men have. They want the rights men have, but that doesn't mean they also want the punishments. Many certainly do, but it's not part of the definition.

Hey, English is not my first language, I misread. Can you do without implying bad motives?

If English is not your first language, why do you care if it's a group that calls themselves "feminists", which is an English word, that argues the most for equality or not?

Feminist an English word? Yeah, right...

Yes.
Even if your language has a word that is spelt the same and pronounced the same, that doesn't mean that word has the same meaning.
We're talking about "feminist" as an English word here.

You are. I wasn't.

So you come on to an English speaking forum, speaking in English, and then use one single word from your own language, that looks identical to an English word, and don't bother to explain this in the slightest.

And then it's other people's fault when they get confused?

That's because many who call themselves feminists don't want outcomes that benefit men.

This is outright slander. Inflammatory nonsense.

No it isn't. I named no names, and talked only about part of a group of people.
How the hell is that "outright slander"? It may be inflammatory, but it's not nonsense.

I didn't say you did. And I think it's very possible you are simply wrong.

Well, obviously, if you thought I was right, we likely wouldn't be having this discussion.

Ouch. You just compared the existence of people of color to the existence of feminazis.

Yes, I did.
Care to actually respond to the point now, rather than just Appealing to Ridicule?

Show me one person who denies the existence of people of color and I'll consider it. Until then...

That's the point
You're denying a group of people exist because you've never personally seen one, even though your given large amounts of testimony of their existence from other people, that's as absurd as if you were denying black people exist.

Edit: Anyway, if it comes down to burden of proof, then you made the positive claim that the majority of people who argue for equality in rape cases are feminists. Prove it.

Ehm, weren't you just admitting that you made that up? You know, for effect, and I never actually said that?

No, I never said that at all. For someone who doesn't like their words twisted, you sure like twisting everyone else's.

You made a positive claim which you have not backed up, to quote:

Btw, you know who mainly argues for laws defining rape as sex without someone's consent, including women raping men by envelopment, instead of just forceful penetration (which mostly means rape done by men) or the likes? Who is arguing for those laws to treat all people equally when it comes to rape? Could it be feminists? Gosh, I think it is.

You have consistently failed to back the claim you made there, and when ever asked have changed the subject. Not only failing the Burden of Proof, but also committing several Red Herring fallacies.

I meant among those that argue for a new and better definition of rape most are feminists. Sorry, that was not clear enough.

Check the records. Check blogs, it's all there.
Check even the MRA sites, where they don't embrace a new definition that would benefit them because the feminists came up with it first.
Why am I suddenly responsible for your education?

Hey, if you are allowed to argue from experience, you don't get to be angry (or whatever) when I do, too.

When I argued from my experiences, you shut me down shouting "Burden of Proof! Burden of Proof!"
If my experiences must satisfy the Burden of Proof, then yours must too.
So, prove it.
Further, why I'm I suddenly responsible for your education of "feminazis"?

You're seeming more and more like the "feminazi" that people on these forums complain about.
You want everything your own way, you want to use your own definitions without telling anyone. You require that my experiences be backed up by proof, while yours get off scot-free. You want to twist my words, yet jump on anyone who does the same to yours. And anything that feminists have a part in you want to claim they're the main people who are doing it, and if any group disagrees with a feminist's idea, it couldn't be because they actually dislike the idea, it must be because they just hate feminists.

 

[MomoElektra]

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I'm not going to talk to you anymore. I don't think you argue in good faith.

You imply I said or meant something which I never said or meant. You imply I hold beliefs I don't hold. Go play and distort someone else's words.

I'm not going to defend myself for stuff I never said.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

I find the idea of a man being raped by a woman quite... odd. How can a woman rape a man if it's her that's being penetrated anyways?

Read this: http://www.aest.org.uk/survivors/male/myths_about_male_rape.htm

 

[Danzavare]

Is there such a thing as too much sex?

Yes. For most people the limit runs parallel to their threshold for pain.

 

[Maze1125]

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I'm not going to talk to you anymore. I don't think you argue in good faith.

You imply I said or meant something which I never said or meant. You imply I hold beliefs I don't hold. Go play and distort someone else's words.

I'm not going to defend myself for stuff I never said.

What? You explicitly said that the main people who advocated for fair rape laws were feminists, to quote again:

Btw, you know who mainly argues for laws defining rape as sex without someone's consent, including women raping men by envelopment, instead of just forceful penetration (which mostly means rape done by men) or the likes? Who is arguing for those laws to treat all people equally when it comes to rape? Could it be feminists? Gosh, I think it is.

You also explicitly said I had to back up my experiences with proof, as per the Burden of Proof, to quote:

What about burden of proof?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof

Further, you then claimed that your original claim was down to your experiences, without even a mention of the Burden of Proof, to quote:

Check the records. Check blogs, it's all there.
Check even the MRA sites, where they don't embrace a new definition that would benefit them because the feminists came up with it first.
Why am I suddenly responsible for your education?

Hey, if you are allowed to argue from experience, you don't get to be angry (or whatever) when I do, too.

I'm not twisting anything, I'm just holding you to the things you've said.

 

[LilithSlave]

I find the idea of a man being raped by a woman quite... odd. How can a woman rape a man if it's her that's being penetrated anyways?

If I could respond with just that, I would.

What on earth does penetration have to do with rape? Other than, you know, merely being another form of which you can rape people.

If a grown man started fellating a defenseless, innocent little boy... wouldn't you call that person a child rapist? I just... don't even. OF COURSE IT'S RAPE. YOU DON'T HAVE PENETRATE SOMEONE TO RAPE THEM. WHO EVER CONCEIVABLY HEARD OF OR THOUGHT OF SUCH A THING? No caps lock... calm down.

How can people even think this? I mean really.

 

[MomoElektra]

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I'm not going to talk to you anymore. I don't think you argue in good faith.

You imply I said or meant something which I never said or meant. You imply I hold beliefs I don't hold. Go play and distort someone else's words.

I'm not going to defend myself for stuff I never said.

What? You explicitly said that the main people who advocated for fair rape laws were feminists, to quote again:

You continue to misunderstand what I said. I already answered this.

You also explicitly said I had to back up my experiences with proof, as per the Burden of Proof, to quote:

I did not say you had to back up your experiences with proof, I meant the burden of proof would be on your side.

I'm not twisting anything, I'm just holding you to the things you've said.

What you think I said and what I said are two very different things.
You can't even let it be a miscommunication or misunderstanding. You HAVE to win this.

Let it be.

 

[James Crook]

By envelopment.

Rape is sex with someone or sexual deeds done to someone without their consent.
Relevant part: without their consent.

Some laws still mention only penetration, which is stupid.
Btw, you know who mainly argues for laws defining rape as sex without someone's consent, including women raping men by envelopment, instead of just forceful penetration (which mostly means rape done by men) or the likes? Who is arguing for those laws to treat all people equally when it comes to rape? Could it be feminists? Gosh, I think it is.

Oh, yeah, envelopment, I forgot about that
I never said anything about law, though... I was just asking about that from a, uh, technical standpoint.

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Simmer down, I didn't take oral sex in consideration when asking my question, but was just asking how a woman could force a man to penetrate her genitalia.
Might be the wording in my question that was confusing though

 

[CrazyCapnMorgan]

This is a good story for the feminists to think about, since if it was a woman trying to leave and a man who insisted she stay, and she told police she stayed because she saw no other alternative, the man would probably be facing charges of rape.

Do you know what you just did. Truly this thread is damned.

"abandon hope all yee who enter here"

Should I derail? To protect us all?

I get the feeling I should derail...

Derail you say? But to where...

Think...

Maybe not where, but when... 0_o

I like your thinking...

To the Time Manipulating Thread Distorter 3000!

Where we're going we don't need Time Manipulating Thread Distorter 3000s! To the delorian!

You can ride shotgun, only I am allowed to drive it. We must go to the past to stop isometry from making his post!

Can we make a stop first?

I need to some meddling that will invariably cause a paradox and will require several trips to fix.

If it will cause another sequel and result in another adventure with people oddly identical to their present day relatives then ok.

Can I become my own grandfather? Sounds like fun...

Let me catch a ride, I want to shoot Hitler as we fly past!

And please, while you're at it, cure Bill Hicks' cancer so that he might live a few more years...

 

[Maze1125]

You continue to misunderstand what I said. I already answered this.

You answered it by repeating exactly the same thing again:

I meant among those that argue for a new and better definition of rape most are feminists. Sorry, that was not clear enough.

That's what I have issue with, and that you have no proof of.

I did not say you had to back up your experiences with proof, I meant the burden of proof would be on your side.

Fair enough, so you agree with me then?

What you think I said and what I said are two very different things.
You can't even let it be a miscommunication or misunderstanding. You HAVE to win this.

Let it be.

If something is a misunderstanding, then you don't just let it go with neither party really understanding what the other said, you try and explain so the misunderstanding is removed.
If things really do just come down to misunderstandings, then "letting it be" achieves nothing, everyone is just as confused as before.

 

[Abedeus]

I need to know this womans exact address so I can ... err ... avoid it for ... safety.

47-year old.

 

[MomoElektra]

If something is a misunderstanding, then you don't just let it go with neither party really understanding what the other said, you try and explain so the misunderstanding is removed.

Excuse me, but I feel you are going out of your way to put me down. You come across as aggressive, you put words in my mouth and you make me feel very uncomfortable. You can't even leave me alone.

I already told you I don't want to talk to you anymore and yet you continue to force the issue by quoting me.

 

[MomoElektra]

And no it's not victim blaming as it is purely speculation as for all we know, he's my height 5'5ft and she's 7ft tall muscular woman.

The question of whether it is victim blaming or not does not depend on whether it's speculation or not. It also has nothing to do with his height.

Victim blaming is blaming the victim.