Man Forgot Loaded Handgun in His Carry-On, TSA Forgot To Notice
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Broken Orange said:
yea, except that is a totally unfair conclusion
how many hundreds of thousands of police are in the US alone?
and terrorists?
your more likely to die by dog than shark, remember?
now, what if we were in kenya? you think youd be killed by cop or terrorist?
So why is the TSA sexually molesting people and telling kids it's a game while they pat privates if they miss this?
Hell in the military I was taught how to give pat downs enough without violating people. What ya get when the wrong doer gets to police themselves.
We had enough security in place, what we need is trained persons not paid minimum wage who can care enough to use it properly.
Hell in the military I was taught how to give pat downs enough without violating people. What ya get when the wrong doer gets to police themselves.
We had enough security in place, what we need is trained persons not paid minimum wage who can care enough to use it properly.
Yeah. In my opnion British airport security is better, because it's more lax. Certainly, hardly anyone jokes about it. That doesn't make British airport security any less over-the-top, however: why the hell isn't there similar levels of security on other forms of transport (e.g. railways, ferries, roads etc.)?Treblaine said:
(PS I stand by my opinion that the rights to bear arms cause more problems than they solve)
I'm not really upset over this. To me it's almost a no brainer that stuff like this happens. TSA has to be one of the most boring professions I've ever seen. It would be very easy to go brain dead from doing that hour after hour, day after day. It also doesn't help that the training isn't very good and the pay sucks.
Also, molesting? Rape? You guys need to grow the hell up. A pat down is no where near close to these things. If you'd ever actually been molested or raped than I wouldn't need to tell you this. Oh god they're patting me! Oh god the machine can see through my clothes! My blurry naked body which looks the same as most people my gender! It's a travesty I tell you!
Also, molesting? Rape? You guys need to grow the hell up. A pat down is no where near close to these things. If you'd ever actually been molested or raped than I wouldn't need to tell you this. Oh god they're patting me! Oh god the machine can see through my clothes! My blurry naked body which looks the same as most people my gender! It's a travesty I tell you!
Only if you don't see tyranny and oppression as a problem. A country is not supposed to be a prison for the people, disenfranchised of the means to defend themselves, the government has no natural right to a monopoly on the use of force. Freedom of speech causes "more problems than it solves" but that's no reason to get rid of it.Delusibeta said:
"and why the hell am I replying to someone who's going to tear me apart??"
Because you keep saying illogical and nonsensical things about important issues. If you want to spout your opinions unchallenged I suggest you start your own website and use your powers to delete the comments of all those who oppose you, you can be dictator of that little patch of the internet. The question then is why would anyone want to go there and hear from someone whose perspective cannot stand up to even the smallest amount of criticism?
You seem to have a false sense of entitlement that you opinion and prejudiced perspective must be accepted or at least that your arguments cannot possibly be wrong and undeserved of having your arguments "torn up".
Also, by what metric is UK airport security better? Better comfort for you? More likely or effective at preventing terrorist attack? Also relative to what? Is this personal experience.
TSA's security is a very broad and complex issue but mostly it is going to take bold leaderships and out-side the box thinking i.e. they can't just choose either-or, they need to find a third-way. Try something new.
WOW. And they make me throw away the bottle of soda I'd stuffed into my duffel bag?
PRICKS.
Seriously how did this happen? Especially when his last name is THAT. I get pulled out of every line and frisked because of my middle-eastern last name... The assholes.
PRICKS.
Seriously how did this happen? Especially when his last name is THAT. I get pulled out of every line and frisked because of my middle-eastern last name... The assholes.
(Facepalms) Are YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?
*Sigh* No wonder people are so pissed, IT'S NOT HELPING!
*Sigh* No wonder people are so pissed, IT'S NOT HELPING!
reminds me of the time i had a toy lightsaber and darth vader helmet in my bag. the security man lifted them up for all to see, before declaring them 'safe'.
yeah thanks for that.
yeah thanks for that.
If an Iranian American gets in with a loader gun but a Caucasian male doesn't wouldn't' that be racist then?R4di4ti0n. said:
I'm all for gun ownership and the right to carry a gun, but I'm totally on the fence about this. First of all, I hate the TSA, they are overly invasive and you can't argue they have stopped any terrorism. One could even argue that they terrorize law abiding citizens. But, no handguns on a plane makes sense regardless of the situation. A small bullet hole would never actually depressurize a plane like you see in the movies though.
I don't know if I should be happy the guy actually got a gun on the plane, even though you can bet that was the safest plane in the sky that day. Or if I should be mad because he got a gun on the plane, because had he been a hijacker, that plane would have been proper fucked.
On the other hand, the TSA are a bunch of inept douche bags that feel people up, complicate air travel, and abuse the power they are given (not all, but there have been plenty of incidents on the news lately).
IMHO, the last thing this should be is a reason to tighten security more, too many TSA folks already walking around the airport, and they are paid from the pockets of private, more productive citizens. They clearly are not up to the job, whatever the case may be.
The upside is, there is no way this should logically affect gun control laws.
I don't know if I should be happy the guy actually got a gun on the plane, even though you can bet that was the safest plane in the sky that day. Or if I should be mad because he got a gun on the plane, because had he been a hijacker, that plane would have been proper fucked.
On the other hand, the TSA are a bunch of inept douche bags that feel people up, complicate air travel, and abuse the power they are given (not all, but there have been plenty of incidents on the news lately).
IMHO, the last thing this should be is a reason to tighten security more, too many TSA folks already walking around the airport, and they are paid from the pockets of private, more productive citizens. They clearly are not up to the job, whatever the case may be.
The upside is, there is no way this should logically affect gun control laws.
Haha, that is a true observation. So many people completely fail to realize that it's still racism if you discriminate against anyone based on race. Even if he is a white guy.fare777 said:
Also, interestingly enough, in Israel they racially profile everyone as part of their standard security measures. Not that I think we should be more like Israel, but you can bet their security is better than ours. The downside, if your white you can probably run about willy nilly killing people before you get taken out, simply because most white folks wouldn't fit into their profiling categories.
I respect your opinion but there is other things to take into account. As far as harder security for other transportation systems, that is such a bad idea. The TSA has completely bogged down air travel. People report that they need to be to the airport as much as 4 hours early on a busier travel day. It's things like this that is actually destroying the industry. This would not due in a situation where you had to take a train to work every morning. I'm ashamed to say that as soon as some psycho blows up a train, it'll happen though. The border patrol between the US and Mexico has road stops looking for illegals, it's not so bad, but it's not every road system either. It's only major highways. Interestingly enough, they catch more people off the roads than they do on.Delusibeta said:
People shouldn't have to live life according to kindergarten politics. Because a few bad people do actual bad things, good people should not have to pay a price for it. I do believe that when they talk about the price of freedom, this is actually it. You can't have security and freedom, you can only have one or the other.
I would be interested to know exactly why you think the right to bear arms causes more problems than it solves? There are repeated historical instances where the lack of upholding this right has caused more bloodshed than anything. I would say get to know about Communist Russia and Communist China,these are the two most easily researched. Also, look at Nazi Germany. I would challenge you to find a single instance where the reverse is true on such a large scale. During the fallout of Hurricane Katrina, there were people who were robbing and looting. The Government seized everyone's guns, but this only meant they disarmed law abiding citizens. The criminals simply don't hand over the guns. Then the only people armed are the criminals and a bunch of under trained, over worked civilian police and military. And I can't really stress enough that there is no one more qualified to protect you than yourself. Only you can possibly know the danger you are or are not in.
PS. This is clearly only a topic that is relevant form the 20th century to present day. Though, if you disagree, I would be interested to hear about that as well.
Ok, uh wow. 
I'm begining to think the TSA are a waste of tax payers money if they can't see a .40 handgun in a carry-on bag that goes through a X-ray machine.
I'll bet if it was a dinky pocket knife 2.5 inches long, they would've not only noticed it but they would've detained him, run a background check and give him a full body cavity search.
I'm begining to think the TSA are a waste of tax payers money if they can't see a .40 handgun in a carry-on bag that goes through a X-ray machine.
I'll bet if it was a dinky pocket knife 2.5 inches long, they would've not only noticed it but they would've detained him, run a background check and give him a full body cavity search.
It is Texas. 9 out of 10 people there own a gun. And there have been many reports of people killing each other because of road rage. I lived there for awhile. I nearly got shot for not believing in Christ. But I will say the road rage killings have made driving there nicer. People let you into their lane now.justcallmeslow said: