Nah, I don't buy it. To be glad that no one innocent was harmed is one thing, but to actively feel happy that the guy is dead. Nah, that just really rubs me up the wrong fucking way.Desert Punk said:
Man steals motorbike at gunpoint, then is shot by a police officer [Graphic Video]
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I get where you're coming from. A death is still a death, even when they were clearly asking for it, and really shouldn't be celebrated.BathorysGraveland2 said:
Still, while I'm not going to point and laugh, I'm not going to be shedding any tears either. While it sucks that his life choices led to his death, he was still a scumbag. Wish he had turned out better.
Hello. I'm from Brazil, where this occurred, and from my sources, the robber's condition is stable, although pretty much 75% of the people that know about this story wishes that he just died.Caiphus said:
Sources (it's in Portuguese; sorry, the links in English say the thief is dead, and I don't find that in my news):
- http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/cotidiano/2013/10/1356275-bandido-que-foi-baleado-e-filmado-durante-roubo-segue-internado.shtml - This is about the robbery and that the thief is being treated in a hospital.
- http://www.folhapolitica.org/2013/10/pm-desmente-deputado-que-afirmou-que.html - this is a clarification article that the police did not punish the officer (there was a rumor about it being true), and that they think he did right.
Fair warning: Since this happened just a few days ago, there are a lot of rumors about what is going on, so be careful. I found at least three news that seemed legit, but a more thorough research showed me that they weren't true.
Well, I'm pleasantly surprised to find someone that thinks like me about this matter (especially in the way you described your reasoning)! I too think about all the resources that won't be wasted on a such a terrible human being and the hopeful statement at the end is also very nice!Desert Punk said:
You're welcome! I'm just glad I'm finally useful at a news thread, since I usually only get to know what happened after thousands of people already know it. Plus, now I'm also up-to-date with this story too (even the fakes), so it was good for me to do a bit of research.Caiphus said:
I'm curious about how this news will be viewed by people from other countries. So far, everyone seems to be pretty happy that the thief got shot while perpetrating his crime (and honestly, those are my thoughts as well; I'm glad he didn't die, but only because it would be hell on earth for the poor police officer, if the criminal died). I usually see the police in other countries having more freedom to take down people that threaten other people's lives, and I wish my country could do that too.
Ah, well, I certainly think the police officer didn't do anything wrong. A man is waving a gun at a civilian. If the police officer didn't do anything, and the civilian got shot, then the officer is going to look a lot worse, I think.Amaury_games said:
Now, in my country, the police don't generally have guns on them. So this wouldn't have even happened.
So yeah, I'm sort of glad he didn't die. Nobody could really have complained if he *did* though, I feel.
While I think that, in the moment, the cop made the absolute right call, it still depresses me. To me the only decision the guy made that made shooting him the right option was when he didn't (seem to) submit to the cop.
I can't find it in myself to celebrate a death like that.
(not sure if he died or not- but the principle is exactly the same either way.)
I can't find it in myself to celebrate a death like that.
(not sure if he died or not- but the principle is exactly the same either way.)
Would you guys be fine if your state government dealt with convicted armed robbers by shooting them twice in the chest?
Or are you only fine with it when it is in the moment?
If you are only fine with it when it is in the moment - doesn't that mean you believe that the man was still posing danger to someone? Exactly who was he posing danger to when he was shot? He put the gun away, didn't he?
Or maybe you believe he deserved to be shot to stop him from taking the bike.
Or maybe you are making a judgement call and you are assuming that this man was evil and nasty and horrible so ipso facto he deserved the bullets.
Or are you only fine with it when it is in the moment?
If you are only fine with it when it is in the moment - doesn't that mean you believe that the man was still posing danger to someone? Exactly who was he posing danger to when he was shot? He put the gun away, didn't he?
Or maybe you believe he deserved to be shot to stop him from taking the bike.
Or maybe you are making a judgement call and you are assuming that this man was evil and nasty and horrible so ipso facto he deserved the bullets.
Is there some kinda growing trend with helmet cams or have they always been around and now they're just more interesting to watch? I know sports and stuff used them.
More towards the Vid... well, you pointed a gun in someone and stole their possession, the officer was nearby and it presented a dangerous situation. I can't say its undeserved.
More towards the Vid... well, you pointed a gun in someone and stole their possession, the officer was nearby and it presented a dangerous situation. I can't say its undeserved.
At least it ended with no innocent people were injure and the victim was able to recover his bike.
We also get to observe the Trigun effect: Some people are absolutely jovial that a person who has decided on a life of crime was possibly(?) killed and removed from the world, thus making it a safer place.
Then on the other hand we have the people who are....shall we say somewhat upset*, that the other people are cheering that the bike thief was killed(?) This group of people are saddened that the thief choose the life he did and ended up suffering one of the many possible ways a life of crime can bring.
Really does remind me of Vash and Knives.
"No one has the right to take the life of another..."
The mentality that Rem Saverem "imprinted" upon Vash during his younger years.
"I'm just killing the spiders to save the butterflies."
While Knives took the completely opposite mentality and outlook of the ends justify the means.
I need to remember not to post after getting hammered.
*I don't want to say sad, it seems like the wrong word, but when I use the word upset, I don't mean upset like when a troll tries to get their rocks off upset, if that makes any sense*
We also get to observe the Trigun effect: Some people are absolutely jovial that a person who has decided on a life of crime was possibly(?) killed and removed from the world, thus making it a safer place.
Then on the other hand we have the people who are....shall we say somewhat upset*, that the other people are cheering that the bike thief was killed(?) This group of people are saddened that the thief choose the life he did and ended up suffering one of the many possible ways a life of crime can bring.
Really does remind me of Vash and Knives.
"No one has the right to take the life of another..."
The mentality that Rem Saverem "imprinted" upon Vash during his younger years.
"I'm just killing the spiders to save the butterflies."
While Knives took the completely opposite mentality and outlook of the ends justify the means.
I need to remember not to post after getting hammered.
*I don't want to say sad, it seems like the wrong word, but when I use the word upset, I don't mean upset like when a troll tries to get their rocks off upset, if that makes any sense*
Let's face it: the guy doesn't exactly look like a criminal mastermind. He pulled out a gun in the middle of a road in public for everyone to see, with only sunglasses to conceal his identity, plus the person robbed HAD A FREAKING HELMET CAM, which this kalifi of genius didn't even bother to check. Even if he'd gotten away, the owner could just have walked to a police station and shown them the footage. And neither of the men on the bike were wearing helmets. The fact that the officer shot him saved everyone a lot of time and effort which would have gone to the investigation. Had he not done that, the robber would likely have gotten away. If the robber died of his wounds, it's an unfortunate consequence of a very petty affair, but I doubt he would have stayed out of stupidity like that for long.SillyBear said:
Call me a bastard, but I don't have any sympathy for that douchebag robber. Neither am I dancing in joy over his death, though.
I mean once you point a gun at another human being, I say game on. Anything goes.SillyBear said:
I am hammered, and now I want to go watch Trigun. Thank you, I needed a TV show to watch.TwoSidesOneCoin said:
Let's dial back the jubilation somewhat, a man is dead. I'm not going criticize the police, I wasn't there and maybe they did the best they could. But, when a man is shot to death in the street it is far ideal scenario and certainly not cause to celebrate. He did not face a trial, while you may think stealing a bike warrants the death penalty (I sure as hell don't) there are an in-numerable amount of circumstances that could of had bearing on his case were it brought to trial. Examples: did he have a mental illness? Did he feel his life was threatened if he couldn't fulfill an obligation to his gang?
All I'm saying is let's stop to think, before we celebrate someone's death.
All I'm saying is let's stop to think, before we celebrate someone's death.
According to above posts, the thief is stable in the hospital.Your Rival said:
I choked. Black humour gets me every time.Slaanesh said:
So he does make it through, then whats gonna happen after? Hes going to be charged for robbery, robbery with a weapon, since hes a gang member having a unregistered fire arm, pointing a fire arm at a police officer... so i say he gets 30+ years. Then after he recovers, then the trial, hes either going to be killed by a rival gang members in prison, or get his front teeth knocked out and used as the equivalent of a dakimakura to the older/bigger prisoners some might actually be from the same gang... and lets throw in the fact Brazil has the highest AIDs population in the world.
This "bad arse" is going to wish the cop killed him.
This "bad arse" is going to wish the cop killed him.
I mean, I don't want to watch anything that has another dude getting messed up in any kind of way... Off or on camera.Terraniux said:
As for the gta comment, that was clearly a jab at fox news. Did you really think I'd have over 5 thousand posts on a gaming forum if I thought any game would cause any ounce of violence? If they did I'd have a serious jail time to endure.
Hahahahaha! 30 years... Actually, we have a couple of stupid things going on here:Leonardo Huizar said:
1 - It takes forever to convict someone, depending on the lawyers (in a case like this could be at least a year before they think about going to trial, but it could also take 10 years or more); in the meantime, since this guy performed armed robbery I'd like to think he'd be considered dangerous to wait trial outside of jail, but I won't hold my breath for that.
2 - Or laws are pathetic. A robbery like this might get him about 5 years in jail (especially since you can throw in "good behavior" benefit that cuts his time in half). I'm not sure though, but that doesn't seem to be much important because of the next point...
3 - Regardless of how much time he's judged to do, he'd probably run away when he's released during Mother's Day, Father's Day, Christmas, or whatever other crap idea we have here that allows certain criminals to spend the holidays with their families on "probation" (is this the right word for "still doing time, but can be outside of jail for a while"?). Every time a bunch of them are released for this purpose, hundreds don't return.
OBS: By the way, I'm not sure we have the highest AIDS population in the world. I though some countries in Africa and Asia have it way worse than us.
I think the police acted fairly there, but its still sad. The worst part is that the kids stealing the bike were probably recruited by some gang as they would receive more lenient punishments in a court, but he pointed a gun at an innocent bystander and got what was coming to him.
A detail that was ommited is the fact that he aimed the gun at the police officer first.
A detail that was ommited is the fact that he aimed the gun at the police officer first.