Manassas City Police Trying to Sexually Abuse 17-Year-Old to Convict Him as a Sex Offender

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spoonybard.hahs said:
Age of consent doesn't matter because they didn't have sex. They both created and distributed child pornography, which is what he is being charged with.
The question on my mind is: Why isn't she being charged with that as well? Is it a gender issue? Or is it because he's older?

I mean, the boy shouldn't be going through this at all, but if he did something illegal then surely she did as well.
 

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RA92 said:
What bit of it is a crazy spin? The perpetrator is still a child, and taking photos of his genitals without his consent is certainly traumatizing and counts as abuse anywhere else. And his name is forever going to be on the sex offenders' list.
I guess I'll go with the title "police want to photograph teen in sexually explicit manner". I'm sure if you've taken a class on Anatomy you've seen pictures of people's naughty bits. Calling those pictures "sexually explicit" would be a misuse of the term. Just because you take a picture of someone's penis doesn't mean that picture is sexually explicit. From the very start the article comes off as slanted. Why would you use that paraphrase of a quote as the title of your article? All I get from it is that they want to use inflammitory language to get hits.

Like I said in my post. I'm not debating the right or wrong of the issue, I'm commenting on how the bias in the article does a disservice to everyone involved.
 
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spoonybard.hahs said:
Age of consent doesn't matter because they didn't have sex. They both created and distributed child pornography, which is what he is being charged with.
Which is what everyone thinks is ridiculous, that you can be of an age where you can consent to sex, yet you can be charged with one of the most serious crimes out there for viewing part of a person on a peice of paper or digitally that the person in question would be quite happy to show you in person and in all likelyhood be happy for you to shove your penis in/wrap your vagina around, as well.

Maybe (in fact pretty much definitely) he's one of those 'stick rigidly to the letter of law' types, technically a crime has been committed and he feels it's his job as a prosecutor to prosecute to the full extent of his and the justice systems abilities, whether that feels like justice or not, but I've got to ask, if he's just sticking rigidly to the letter of the law on this, why is she not being charged with creating and distributing as well?
 

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Damn, Manassas is one fucked up place. At least sue the girl as well if you're going to be a bunch of prude neanderthals. An absolute pathetic and nauseating double standard is being perpetrated here. I just don't understand cases like this between two consensual minors. As if people don't start becoming sexually active until the age of 18, pah!

The only thing that has been abused until now is the word justice. And the unreasonably angry part of me hopes the persecutor has an unfortunate accident.
 

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...Wow. Just. Wow. This is a fucking slip up. A complete collapse of an entire system. Even if only for a split second.

...Now, how many laws are actually being broken here? The only crimes being done so far have been done by the police. This is literally the most insane thing I've read today, and I've read that article about the kids who have been charged with terrorism.

'Murica.
 

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frobalt said:
spoonybard.hahs said:
Age of consent doesn't matter because they didn't have sex. They both created and distributed child pornography, which is what he is being charged with.
The question on my mind is: Why isn't she being charged with that as well? Is it a gender issue? Or is it because he's older?

I mean, the boy shouldn't be going through this at all, but if he did something illegal then surely she did as well.
Not sure. She wouldn't be the first female minor to be charged with child pornography in an instance like this. I can only speculate that since the mother filed a complaint against the boyfriend, the DA and police felt pressure to act.
 

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Zykon TheLich said:
spoonybard.hahs said:
Age of consent doesn't matter because they didn't have sex. They both created and distributed child pornography, which is what he is being charged with.
Which is what everyone thinks is ridiculous, that you can be of an age where you can consent to sex, yet you can be charged with one of the most serious crimes out there for viewing part of a person on a peice of paper or digitally that the person in question would be quite happy to show you in person and in all likelyhood be happy for you to shove your penis in/wrap your vagina around, as well.

Maybe (in fact pretty much definitely) he's one of those 'stick rigidly to the letter of law' types, technically a crime has been committed and he feels it's his job as a prosecutor to prosecute to the full extent of his and the justice systems abilities, whether that feels like justice or not, but I've got to ask, if he's just sticking rigidly to the letter of the law on this, why is she not being charged with creating and distributing as well?
It's ridiculous, yes. It's unfair, even. But this isn't the first time this very same scenario - or something similar - has happened. The fact is, until someone gets a spine and actually changes the law to protect children from being prosecuted for things like this, it's going to keep happening. Problem is, no one wants to touch this with a ten foot pole because of just how seedy the prospect is of adding, "It's okay for minors to make and distribute porn to one another."
 

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Don't know if this changes anything to this debate, but the 17yo repeatedly sent nudes even after being asked to stop (supposedly):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/07/09/manassas-city-police-release-statement-on-teen-sexting-case/

(Manassas Police statement to the media)
 

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Vendor-Lazarus said:
So, let me get this straight.

Both individuals within legal consent age.
Girlfriend sexting her boyfriend.
Boyfriend sexts back.
Boyfriends gets arrested for child porn crimes. (why not her?)
Police intends to sexually abuse boyfriend, to incriminate him as a sexual abuser. (is that even legal?)

What??

They are legally able to consent to sex in real life but not via images/texts?.
If neither shared it on the 'net. I don't see a problem.

Absurd..
The boys black the girl's white and the girl's parents are NOT happy.
 

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mistahzig1 said:
Don't know if this changes anything to this debate, but the 17yo repeatedly sent nudes even after being asked to stop (supposedly):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/07/09/manassas-city-police-release-statement-on-teen-sexting-case/

(Manassas Police statement to the media)

Did the girl who was sent the pictures ask him to stop or was it her parents? That's what I want to know.
 

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youji itami said:
Vendor-Lazarus said:
The boys black the girl's white and the girl's parents are NOT happy.
*Sigh*

So, not only is it sexist but racist as well?
Let us not forget the level of blind political correctiveness either.
As foolish as charging people for possessing Hentai.

I was going to add something about hoping this took place in the bible belt,
but I didn't want to slight all the good people who live there.
 

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I don't have words for this. It's insane. Teens have sex, this is known and accepted. Teens are stupid, This too is known and accepted. Sure, these kids were dumb and horny but almost everyone that age is. I see no reason to dump fucking felonies on this kid because he was sending nudes to his girlfriend. That shit will follow him around for the rest of his life. Also, as others have said, not charging the girl with the same crime is ridiculous and just goes to show that these people don't care about justice or the law. They just want a higher win rate.
 

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I don't think I've seen the justice system fail as completely and thoroughly as it is failing right here.
 

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Vendor-Lazarus said:
So, let me get this straight.

Both individuals within legal consent age.
Girlfriend sexting her boyfriend.
Boyfriend sexts back.
Boyfriends gets arrested for child porn crimes. (why not her?)
Police intends to sexually abuse boyfriend, to incriminate him as a sexual abuser. (is that even legal?)

What??

They are legally able to consent to sex in real life but not via images/texts?.
If neither shared it on the 'net. I don't see a problem.

Absurd..
It is absurd, and it's a loophole in a lot of child pornography laws which let's police and prosecutors in many places victimize innocent kids and turn them into criminals at the behest of upset parents. They could get together and fuck like bunnies and it's fine, but because they took pictures and sent them to each other it's technically production and distribution of child pornography. Never mind that child pornography laws exist to prevent the exploitation of children in the creation and distribution of child porn, whereas neither of these kids were being exploited. It's a case of following the letter of the law rather than the actual intent, and is usually practiced by dick bags who aren't very intelligent or good at their jobs.
 

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Just as a side thought... anyone have any idea how much money is in medical porn? How about child porn? And if you combine the two... I mean, they'd have to film the whole thing to show that they're 'respecting the child's interests' or some such bull, and then if it gets conveniently 'leaked' somehow... I think I see the prosecuter's side job.

Capcha: Chocolate rain. Why yes, this is a shitstorm...
 

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"It is not the policy of the Manassas City Police or the Commonwealth Attorney's Office to authorize invasive search procedures of suspects in cases of this nature and no such procedures have been conducted in this case."

I'm going to drop this quote from the public information officer at the police department. I know most people are going to skim right over it and miss it. But the thread seems to have devolved into a "the police are evil, justice system doesn't work" ect ect.

Like I said earlier, the original article (and original post here even more so) seem VERY biased. The police statement seems to clear a lot of this up, give it a read.

Just feels disrespectful to all parties when something is reported on this way.
 

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Majinash said:
RA92 said:
What bit of it is a crazy spin? The perpetrator is still a child, and taking photos of his genitals without his consent is certainly traumatizing and counts as abuse anywhere else. And his name is forever going to be on the sex offenders' list.
I guess I'll go with the title "police want to photograph teen in sexually explicit manner". I'm sure if you've taken a class on Anatomy you've seen pictures of people's naughty bits. Calling those pictures "sexually explicit" would be a misuse of the term. Just because you take a picture of someone's penis doesn't mean that picture is sexually explicit. From the very start the article comes off as slanted. Why would you use that paraphrase of a quote as the title of your article? All I get from it is that they want to use inflammitory language to get hits.

Like I said in my post. I'm not debating the right or wrong of the issue, I'm commenting on how the bias in the article does a disservice to everyone involved.
They forcefully stripped a minor to take pictures of his penis, and now planning to force him to have an erection so that they can take more pictures. That's fucking traumatizing and sexual abuse to me. Just because it's the cops doing it doesn't mean it's okay (see the last link of this post).

Tell me, if pictures of his penis aren't explicit, then why is he being charged with spreading indecent images in the first place, and being punished so heavily for it?

mistahzig1 said:
Don't know if this changes anything to this debate, but the 17yo repeatedly sent nudes even after being asked to stop (supposedly):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/07/09/manassas-city-police-release-statement-on-teen-sexting-case/

(Manassas Police statement to the media)
Yeah, that's a lot of water-muddying bullshit. That wasn't part of the original charge, and they are being intentionally vague about 'who' told him to stop repeatedly. They are also saying they didn't do any 'invasive' searches, yet they didn't tell the Washington Post to retract that part of the claim.

jpz719 said:
Because, as we all know, in the U.S women are exempt from the law. Which is the primary reason I'm a supporter of the equal rights movement. As usual, even when she is the perpatrator of this not-crime, the boy in this instance is getting diddled by the cops.
Nah. When it comes to cops on a power trip, everybody gets diddled. <url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/19/roadside-body-cavity-search-texas-women-sue-state-troopers-for-humiliating-body-search_n_2333302.html>Like being molested by the roadside because the cops thought you acted weird.
 

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mistahzig1 said:
Don't know if this changes anything to this debate, but the 17yo repeatedly sent nudes even after being asked to stop (supposedly):

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2014/07/09/manassas-city-police-release-statement-on-teen-sexting-case/

(Manassas Police statement to the media)
Wouldn't that fall under harrasment rather than child pornography if the not stopping is the part that pushes this into crime territory, though?