Marijuana legalization

[iamthehorde]

Also, marijuana can be cut or laced with other things.

Just out of curiosity, what would be cut or laced with Marijuana? I've heard of soaking the buds in formaldehyde which is just stupid, but it's a bloody plant, it's not an innocuous white powder like heroin that you can mix with baking soda without anybody noticing.

hash gets laced to death here in europe. it usually comes from north africa and the higher to the north it gets the more it is laced with everything brownish and gooie(even tyre-rubber). in leipzig a few people needed to go to the hospital because their hash was laced with lead(!). that´s why i don´t smoke hash.

weedbuds can get laced with hairspray, sugar(to make it look like it has more thc-crystals) or even liquid drugs like lsd(if you want to call that lacing). i know plenty of people that grow their own because of that. i have a guy who i can trust and often you can test it yourself if it is laced by putting some in your mouth. if it´s unnormally sweet, it might be sugared, if it tastes artificial and bitter, it may be hairsprayed.

EDIT: just forgot to quote. i am NOT stoned right now, okay?

 

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PurpleRain: I'd like to introduce you to a concept called Prohibition that we tried here in the United States back in the 20's.

It was a miserable failure, created more crime than our country had seen it's inception and made criminals out of ordinary folk who just wanted a beer.

This is what the criminalization of Marijuana is doing.

And really, marijuana is a bloody plant, you don't "cut" it with things like you can with heroin unless you're getting yours from somebody who thinks it's funny to throw Oregano in with your stash.

Besides, for all that marijuana can do to you (very little), we have these wonderful things called alcohol and tobacco here that are far worse for you and as legal as waving the American flag.

Plus, can anyone name a mind-altering stimulant that's not only legal but so socially acceptable in the USA that you can buy it in almost every business you walk into? If you guess Caffeine, you're right! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine

I'm all for this argument, except it appears that it loses a million zillion points by playing the "TOBACCO AND ALCOHOL BLERKINFIDDLEDEEWHIP" card.


And no, I don't smoke marijuana.

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I read that, but can't really be bothered to think of a reply. If anyone needs me, I shall be in my quarters.

 

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PurpleRain: I'd like to introduce you to a concept called Prohibition that we tried here in the United States back in the 20's.

It was a miserable failure, created more crime than our country had seen it's inception and made criminals out of ordinary folk who just wanted a beer.

This is what the criminalization of Marijuana is doing.

And really, marijuana is a bloody plant, you don't "cut" it with things like you can with heroin unless you're getting yours from somebody who thinks it's funny to throw Oregano in with your stash.

Besides, for all that marijuana can do to you (very little), we have these wonderful things called alcohol and tobacco here that are far worse for you and as legal as waving the American flag.

Plus, can anyone name a mind-altering stimulant that's not only legal but so socially acceptable in the USA that you can buy it in almost every business you walk into? If you guess Caffeine, you're right! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine

I'm all for this argument, except it appears that it loses a million zillion points by playing the "TOBACCO AND ALCOHOL BLERKINFIDDLEDEEWHIP" card.


And no, I don't smoke marijuana.

I'm insulted by the idea that I've ever said BLERKINFIDDLEDEEWHIP in my life, you BLERKINFIDDLEDEEWHIP you. I only bring up alcohol, caffeine, and tobacco because really, if marijuana is illegal because it's "bad for you" then logically those should be illegal too.

And for the record, I don't smoke either, I actually have problems with my lungs which would make smoking a really dumb idea for me.

I shall reflect on this.
Seriously though, I promised myself never to smoke pot when I went round a friend's house, only for us to find his brother seemingly unconscious, but with his eyes open. Presuming him dead, we lay him on the couch and tried to wake him up, just in case, y'know.
After finding evidence of him having smoked pot around the place of his collapse, we went over to him and waved our hands in front of his eyes. Response, but no movement to speak of. He then proceeded to get up, explaining he couldn't move before because he "was the ground".
No, seriously.

 

[Captain Blackout]

Sigh. This is exactly the sort of thread I tend to get into arguments in, because for some reason a reasonable amount of the Escapist seems to love this plant so I know I shouldn't post... but ok.

I've never understood people's fascination with this drug. It's a hallucinogenic plant, that's it. It relaxes you, that's it. It causes damage to the hippocampus, therefore interfering with long term memory processing thats... oh wait. I honestly don't understand why people need a relaxation in the form of an illegal drug. It seems very odd to me. Personally I believe it should stay illegal and be done with it.

Of course this is going to invite people going on about the war on drugs and how so much money is spent and so on. I think that argument as also fairly shallow, because if there wasn't a demand for it supply would cease. The problem is with the people who need some sort of kick in order to survive their lives, always has been. I'll never understand it myself, they cause a lot of damage to your body and are illegal, why bother with them?

So in short, I'm happy the marijuana is illegal and I hope it stays that way.

I hope half the things you enjoy are criminalized for you. Way to decide for others what's right or wrong for them you audacious brat.

This is the heart of the argument right here. The hell with "pot is bad" or "pot is good."

UNLESS and UNTIL my drug problem hurts you, you have no right to tell me what to do (other than freedom of speech, and I already smoked that with my last bowl)

EDIT: I love another line you wrote: "Why can't people accept it's illegal and leave it at that."
Because the people, that is all of us, make the rules. When one group (ANSLINGER) attempts to make rules governing others, those rules will not always be followed. Sorry, I'm not a sheep, get over it. To put it differently, why can't you accept I'm ok with pot and leave it at that?
Damned pretentious world we live in, ain't it!

 

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Also, marijuana can be cut or laced with other things.

Just out of curiosity, what would be cut or laced with Marijuana? I've heard of soaking the buds in formaldehyde which is just stupid, but it's a bloody plant, it's not an innocuous white powder like heroin that you can mix with baking soda without anybody noticing.

hash gets laced to death here in europe. it usually comes from north africa and the higher to the north it gets the more it is laced with everything brownish and gooie(even tyre-rubber). in leipzig a few people needed to go to the hospital because their hash was laced with lead(!). that´s why i don´t smoke hash.

weedbuds can get laced with hairspray, sugar(to make it look like it has more thc-crystals) or even liquid drugs like lsd(if you want to call that lacing). i know plenty of people that grow their own because of that. i have a guy who i can trust and often you can test it yourself if it is laced by putting some in your mouth. if it´s unnormally sweet, it might be sugared, if it tastes artificial and bitter, it may be hairsprayed.

EDIT: just forgot to quote. i am NOT stoned right now, okay?

This forum topic has made me actually understand the mentality of drug use. Although I will never smoke pot or anything, for reasons explained in my other postings.

 

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[iamthehorde]

OP: pot is not cut w/ anything and you are an idiot for suggesting otherwise

it is sometimes. maybe not your pot. good for you.

 

[iamthehorde]

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[ZeroMachine]

... Wow.

Wow.

OP, that's actually an amazing idea. That'd probably be the only way I'd support legalization. Personally, I don't understand the appeal or the arguments people make for legalizing it (then again, the same goes for alchohol and tobacco).

So yeah. Erm... is there any way you could send that into someone? Maybe get a movement going? Then, at least, I wouldn't have to listen to the potheads at my college ***** endlessly (not saying they all do, I just happened to meet all the "angry stoners" at my college. Yes, angry stoners exist.)

 

[DiaSol]

READ BEN ELTON'S "HIGH SOCIETY"

 

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what means legendary/ snip? sorry, i´m not that hot into the internet-meme-thing.

Snip is something you do on forums when you're quoting someone but their post is too long to show, and legendary is just... an internet adjective.

 

[axia777]

first off no CA is not "most likely" going to legalise it, unfortunately, even as more and more ppl need it as medicine and a source of income. but in all this talk about taxing it i think something central has been lost, and that is the human toll of marijuana prohibition. millions of citizens are in prison & millions more threatened incarceration or fined for laws designed to create a permanent underclass, laws that should have never been enforced in the first place but sadly are.

Really? Then I guess all this must be my imagination. Mark my words. There are three Bills going around. One of them IS getting on the California ballot for voting in 2010. If(and one of them will) one of the Bills gets on the Ballot then I am betting on full legalization happening. Even our REPUBLICAN governor thinks the debate should happen.

BREAKING NEWS: California Lawmakers To Debate Marijuana Legalization Tomorrow!

http://blog.norml.org/2009/10/27/breaking-news-california-lawmakers-to-debate-marijuana-legalization-tomorrow/

Schwarzenegger: Time To Debate Legalizing Pot

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/05/06/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry4996114.shtml

State debates legalizing marijuana

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/10/28/BAV01ABS1O.DTL

weedbuds can get laced with hairspray, sugar(to make it look like it has more thc-crystals) or even liquid drugs like lsd(if you want to call that lacing). i know plenty of people that grow their own because of that. i have a guy who i can trust and often you can test it yourself if it is laced by putting some in your mouth. if it´s unnormally sweet, it might be sugared, if it tastes artificial and bitter, it may be hairsprayed.

EDIT: just forgot to quote. i am NOT stoned right now, okay?

Just to let you know, LSD is destroyed when it is burned. Period. So someone could dip pot in liquid LSD and nothing would happen if someone smoked it.

 

[iamthehorde]

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Someday there will be an actual end thread command. And I will bask in it's glory. Now we just need to do our own version of XHTML.

what means legendary/ snip? sorry, i´m not that hot into the internet-meme-thing.

Snip is something you do on forums when you're quoting someone but their post is too long to show, and legendary is just... an internet adjective.

you just made me so much smarter, thank you.

 

[thest3alth]

Firstly, I've never taken any illegal drug.

That being said, Marijuana being illegal is just silly. In the few cases in which there have been fatalities from it, it hasn't been the plant itself but rather the stuff the dealers put in it. If it is sold at a trusted government passed place there wouldn't be any stuff in it, and poof, your nasty fatalities are gone and it eliminates the whole reason to illegalise it.

 

[Chrissyluky]

Honestly no. This would simply make the problem worse. If I ever do see marijuana legalized. A. i want it to be illegal to smoke within so many yards of a public building(because I don't want to breath that crap) and B. i want to be distributed properly considering the main problem i have with it is people smoke TOO much of it because they are so used to it their pleasure nerves(yes pleasure nerves) get used to that ammount and they have to take more if they want the same feeling. its a sort of addiction thing that I am not very fond of(plus larger doses can hurt you yes i know a low dose wont do MUCH damage but too large a dose will do a very small ammount of brain damage)

 

[LooK iTz Jinjo]

PurpleRain: I'd like to introduce you to a concept called Prohibition that we tried here in the United States back in the 20's.

It was a miserable failure, created more crime than our country had seen it's inception and made criminals out of ordinary folk who just wanted a beer.

This is what the criminalization of Marijuana is doing.

And really, marijuana is a bloody plant, you don't "cut" it with things like you can with heroin unless you're getting yours from somebody who thinks it's funny to throw Oregano in with your stash.

Besides, for all that marijuana can do to you (very little), we have these wonderful things called alcohol and tobacco here that are far worse for you and as legal as waving the American flag.

Plus, can anyone name a mind-altering stimulant that's not only legal but so socially acceptable in the USA that you can buy it in almost every business you walk into? If you guess Caffeine, you're right! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine

^This^ all that you can cut with marijuana is that they can throw grass in there so that basically you don't get as much as you paid for. Not much else really and it's not like that fucks with your head anyway, all that's doing is conning you out of a few bucks. Other than that I pretty much agree with what Purple Rain is saying, although I'd prefer to go the whole way and just make it legal to be traded and taxed.

The only problem I can see to legalizing weed would be the uses of motor vehicles and anything else you are not allowed to operate when drunk. The problem is the lack of testing to see if a person is currently high. With alcohol you have a BAC that can be checked by a breathalizer but there is no such thing with weed. It would be very hard to enforce this and pretty dangerous for high people to be driving all the time.

Well I'm not sure what backwater country/state you come from, but in Australia, every police car has, on hand, units for checking Blood Alcohol Level AND if you've been doing any other kind of thing they might fuck with your driving. It's not hard, it's relatively easy. Problem solved.

No one laces weed with anything, unless you are dealing with some REALLY shady individuals. It would be a waste of whatever they cut weed with to do so and it would be easy to spot no doubt.

I can guarantee if someone is using a cooking herb to cut weed with I will spot that shit in about a second, though I guess I can't speak for everyone.

I might take 5... Though I don't smoke it that regularly

 

[Inverse Skies]

I hope half the things you enjoy are criminalized for you. Way to decide for others what's right or wrong for them you audacious brat.

This is the heart of the argument right here. The hell with "pot is bad" or "pot is good."

UNLESS and UNTIL my drug problem hurts you, you have no right to tell me what to do (other than freedom of speech, and I already smoked that with my last bowl)

EDIT: I love another line you wrote: "Why can't people accept it's illegal and leave it at that."
Because the people, that is all of us, make the rules. When one group (ANSLINGER) attempts to make rules governing others, those rules will not always be followed. Sorry, I'm not a sheep, get over it. To put it differently, why can't you accept I'm ok with pot and leave it at that?
Damned pretentious world we live in, ain't it!

I don't mind if you're ok with it, I just don't understand your need to smoke an illegal substance for the purposes of enjoyment. It continually amazes me that people see some sort of wonderful thing in this substance. Maybe part of that could be the fact that it is illegal and hence has an air of defiance and mystique around it, maybe part of that is because it has some relaxative properties, I'm not sure. All I know is that it is an illegal substance which I have no interest in and I hope it stays illegal. In fact the more people complain around it being criminalised the more I hope the laws are never changed, the whole situation seems childish really. If it's illegal, why bother with it? There are many other ways for people to enjoy their lives apart from this, hence the need to use it seems odd.

By the way, you shouldn't attack your opponent in a debate, only their ideas. It makes it seem like you don't have a counter argument and can think of nothing better than to slur who they are as a person.

 

[BonsaiK]

I hear a lot of people bickering about marijuana legalization. While I'm very anti-drug and anti-drug trade, I tend to view the way people argue as a 'Yes, because it ain't that harmful' or 'No, it screws your brain' type argument. I'm siding with the latter. Marijuana can be and is widely cut with all sorts of shit, so unless you know a guy growing it, you may be not getting the full whack. But there's the thing: growing the plant. This is the point of view I want to discuss.

I would imagine a better stance to take is making Marijuana seeds legal, but not the selling or buying of the plant. Of course, enforce the usual rules about not being able to smoke in public areas and don't smoke before driving but they're a whole other case. If people were able to grow their own plants, it would mean that they had control of what they were putting in their own body. It's personal and they can form their own judgments with the thing. With this, the trading of the drug would be cut drastically and so you'd get less people having to need a quick amount as it would be more of a growing and timely experiment.

I am very much against the drug and the use of it, but I would be okay with this. I enjoy people having freedoms to put whatever they want in their bodies, be is McDonalds, to this, to as far as acid, and I hold that freedom above my own beliefs.

I don't smoke pot, never have and never will, but I absolutely 100% approve of legalising it.

There are many great reasons to legalise marijuana, all of which have nothing to do with actually smoking the drug.

Just to pluck ONE of over a dozen reasons out of thin air, hemp produces fabric more efficiently than all other known natural plant varieties including cotton. It was legal in the US and used for this purpose widely until 1939, when it was banned. However Allied farmers were briefly ordered to grow it again for the war effort to make military grade rope etc because it was a tougher, more resilient and faster to produce fabric than any other.

Sources: http://www.thedropzone.org/units/88thHISTORY.html
http://sfalphageek.blogspot.com/2005/06/jumping-with-brits-part-one.html