Marijuana Legalized in Two States

[A.A.K]

Laws. Bah.

As much as I'm against drugs, people should be able to do em and waste their life as they see fit. At least now it'll technically be legal.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

I wonder if the mods will do their job and smack down the people admitting to the drug use in this thread like they smack pirates.

Anyone want to make any bets?

I believe the mods stated a long while back that they don't really care about you admitting to marijuana use, they just look to make sure you aren't pressuring other people about it or talking about stupid risky shit like driving whilst high.

Food for thought, but if weed becomes completely legal, I think the stoner culture will dissipate slowly.

Probably not. They'll most likely be less loud about it, but the alcoholic culture didn't go anywhere after the prohibition era ended (arguably got even bigger). I honestly think it's just gonna become even more popular. Many people are gonna prefer it over alcohol, and it's may become a social thing among friends in the older age group. Since I started smoking regularly a few months ago, I haven't had as much as a beer when I'm out with friends.

It'll be interesting to see how it's gonna affect the social lives of people. Instead of a bunch of guys going out to the bar for a few drinks, it's gonna be people going to coffee shops to chill out for a little bit.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

On the topic of marijuana, however, I am of the opinion that it is a poison of the mind and body, and that the people who use it are pathetic, hollow shells of human beings with no regard for the law or standards in general. I've heard people say that it's less dangerous than many other legal substances, but in all honesty the reason I hate it isn't because of its effects on someone's health; I just hate what it does to the people who use it. It turns promising people into shallow, lazy, small-minded degenerates who break the law because it's fun; and that cannot be allowed.

Yikes. You're sure quick to judge a large portion of people who you've never met. Would you consider people like Obama, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Sir Richard 'Motherfucking' Branson to be small minded shallow people?

From the sounds of it, the closest you've ever come to being around marijuana is a bad encounter from some douchebag who claims he smokes. Because the majority of smokers don't really make it a public fact that they smoke, so it sounds like you've got a pretty skewed opinion based off some serious misinformation by DARE or some other organization. You ever have two hours to kill, watch this documentary. It shows the process of how and why the drug stayed illegal. It's actually pretty messed up.

Spoiler: The Union

 

[Lord Garnaat]

On the topic of marijuana, however, I am of the opinion that it is a poison of the mind and body, and that the people who use it are pathetic, hollow shells of human beings with no regard for the law or standards in general. I've heard people say that it's less dangerous than many other legal substances, but in all honesty the reason I hate it isn't because of its effects on someone's health; I just hate what it does to the people who use it. It turns promising people into shallow, lazy, small-minded degenerates who break the law because it's fun; and that cannot be allowed.

Yikes. You're sure quick to judge a large portion of people who you've never met. Would you consider people like Obama, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Sir Richard 'Motherfucking' Branson to be small minded shallow people?

Spoiler: The Union

There's a difference between doing something wrong in the past and regretting it and continuing that practice without remorse into the present. I'll concede to you that Obama, Gates, and Jobs all probably experimented with pot in the past, but doesn't the fact that they chose to give it up say anything? Hell, Obama said that trying drugs was his greatest moral failing. Point is, yes them doing drugs in the past isn't a point in their favor, but the fact that set that aside instead of wallowing in that stupid drug culture sets them above the morons who continue to give in to something that is blatantly wrong.

 

[Saladfork]

I suppose I wouldn't care all that much if they legalized it in a non-joint form but I absolutely hate, hate, HATE the smell of pot smoke. I'm generally fine with cigarette smoke (in that I can stand it, not that I like it) but the smell of pot smoke is, as I said in an earlier thread, absolutely wretched, and if it were legalized I just know some assholes would smoke it everywhere (yes, I understand most of the people who smoke it do so occasionally and in private but I'm sure I don't need to tell you that every group has its' assholes).

Also as a side note I'm really tired of the 'medicinal marijuana' argument. Yes, it's probably an effective anasthetic, but the vast majority of people don't need it for that. This isn't about supressing medication, it's about you wanting to get high.

I really don't get this worked up about most things but the pot legalization movement really irks me.

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

I'd like it if *all* drugs were legalized. However, when there's a major US city that wants to ban *soft drinks* above 16 oz. and pressures new mothers into breastfeeding (both for society's "own good"), then I hold little hope for the Drug Wars to end in the US.

**rolls eyes**

Oh, don't even get me started on the Breatfeeding assholes. Unless they plan on doing it for me, they can shut the fuck up about it already. **rage**

Or the soda banning assholes. **rage**

Ahem... **Zen calming breath**

Anyway, yay for legalizing marijuana! It's absurd that it was illegal in the first place when it is less harmful than either tobacco or alcohol, and has more medical applications than both combined.

Note: I don't smoke pot (or anything else) but I support Legalization of Marijuana (although not of other illegal drugs - Cocaine and Heroine are illegal for a reason). Just so we're clear.

So yeah. Legalize it!.jpg

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

There's a difference between doing something wrong in the past and regretting it and continuing that practice without remorse into the present. I'll concede to you that Obama, Gates, and Jobs all probably experimented with pot in the past, but doesn't the fact that they chose to give it up say anything? Hell, Obama said that trying drugs was his greatest moral failing. Point is, yes them doing drugs in the past isn't a point in their favor, but the fact that set that aside instead of wallowing in that stupid drug culture sets them above the morons who continue to give in to something that is blatantly wrong.

What makes you think they gave it up? Other than Obama, I mean, as he is under constant scrutiny.

Gates could be sitting back enjoying one right now. It's not like he has to do much of anything at this point in his life.

But more over, I think you are under a misapprehension. The stoners you are describing are not the norm among Marijuana users. They are the alcoholics of marijuana users.

Would you ban alcohol because SOME people get drunk and act like idiots? Alcoholics are more dangerous to themselves, their families, and random strangers than the worst pot-heads are.

Would you ban Vicodin, a narcotic painkiller used by millions, because some people abuse it for a high?

I used Vicodin as an example for a reason: Marijuana is one of the best cancer drugs out there - it has been proven that it can save people's lives by reducing or eliminating many of the side effects of chemo therapy, allowing them to have longer, stronger treatments without the chemo killing the patient.

So again, why are you judging marijuana uses by their worst members? Marijuana doesn't MAKE anyone a pathetic loser - it's just that, when a pathetic loser uses it, you notice it more.

 

[Mr F.]

Urgh, I hate drugs. You know, I used to think that I supported legalizing marijuana, until quite recently when I realized that I just don't. I just can't stand the people who use it, going around bragging about breaking the law and participating in that asinine rebel culture that does nothing but encourage profligacy. I'm not going to oppose legalizing it, because if that's what the people want then that's what they want, but I refuse to support making a disgusting and putrid habit into an accepted practice.

It's been said a million times, but I'll say it again: we're already to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol, so what's the problem with legalizing marijuana?

Well, first of all it's probably a good idea for me to say that I'm not in support of people using cigarettes or alcohol either. I see no reason why people should support slowing killing themselves or allowing other people to do the same, and if I thought that it could make a serious difference than I would wholeheartedly support banning them as well. Unfortunately, we don't live in a culture where banning those things would effectively curb their use, and since it isn't against the law I can't really get as worked up about it.

On the topic of marijuana, however, I am of the opinion that it is a poison of the mind and body, and that the people who use it are pathetic, hollow shells of human beings with no regard for the law or standards in general. I've heard people say that it's less dangerous than many other legal substances, but in all honesty the reason I hate it isn't because of its effects on someone's health; I just hate what it does to the people who use it. It turns promising people into shallow, lazy, small-minded degenerates who break the law because it's fun; and that cannot be allowed.

Holy hell!

All of us? Who have ever used it? At all? For any reason?

Jesus christ man.

So, My *actual relationship to this person has been redacted* who works in a lab, he is a "Pathetic, hollow shell of a human being with no regard for the law or standards in general", who is a "lazy small minded degenerates". And when I say they work in a lab, they happen to be a fucking researcher. Not a grunt. Day in, day out (About 9 hours a day. Every day. Including weekends. Researchers do not get free time).

I am also all of the above, in one of the top 10 Unis within this country. I hope to get a PhD at the end of this degree, perhaps follow it up with running as an MP. If I don't aim that high I intend to get into the Civil Service or follow my parents route through the British Council. Perhaps even the diplomatic service. But again, none of that matters, because I am a "shallow, lazy, small-minded degenerate".

I am now going to summarise my view thus:
Read JS Mill. Read up on the harm principle. Read up on Utilitarian arguments. Read up on the limits of freedom and the powers a liberal democracy has to limit your own powers. If you accept the harm principle to be logical, nobody has any right to limit what somebody chooses to do with their own body with regards to cigarettes, alcohol, green, cocaine, you fucking name it, as long as someone is not causing harm to others you have NO RIGHT to limit their freedoms in any way shape or form.

Now you get to the societal affects... Well, speaking as an ex-pot smoker (Used to smoke a lot, then occasionally. My partner wanted me to stop so I stopped.) due to it being criminalized it can act as a gateway drug. Due to the illegality of acquisition, whenever you get hold of it (Unless you are growing) you are paying an asshole, somewhere down the line, and supporting the kinds of crimes which nobody likes. I hold that it is a gateway drug because dealers want to sell and will offer you crap and hell, you might be tempted. Regardless, from a societal point of view, legalisation and control is significantly better than forcing it underground. But that is not the point I want to tear you apart on. You probably know this but do not care for your MORAL grounds (Those are the only arguments you made). So I am now going to tear apart your wording, perhaps using a strawman argument and also referencing the marxist perspective on crime.

I am of the opinion that it is a poison of the mind and body, and that the people who use it are pathetic, hollow shells of human beings with no regard for the law or standards in general.

degenerates who break the law because it's fun

Both of your above arguments could be used against the decriminalization of homosexuality. Both of the arguments you used have been used. And I know "That is not what I am saying" but it is. You disagree from a moral standpoint, you have no reason to disagree other than the standpoint you have put forward. You accept that it is your "Opinion", you universally declare that it is a poison of the "mind and body" and you insult each and every person who has ever touched the substance. You call us hollow shells of human beings with no regards for the law because we have chosen, on occasion, to smoke, or eat, a plant. Thanks to this decision, we have no regard for the law (Or perhaps A LAW, but I doubt that occurred to you. Because I used to smoke a plant I think the age of consent should be removed and speed limits revoked.) and no regards for standards in general (Which is why I never shower, regularly strip off in public and have been known to shove my cock into the face of grannies).

Or perhaps we are people who think that this particular law is unjust. Perhaps we are people who think that we have the right to do whatever the fuck we want to ourselves in the privacy of our own homes. Perhaps we think that the illegality of smoking or eating a fucking plant because it is enjoyable is unjust, we disagree with this on MORAL GROUNDS. Now, Marxism considers any act of criminality to be an act of rebellion against the state. To a degree I agree, particularly in the case of marajuana.

So, In summary, your post was insulting and antagonistic. The arguments you have presented are flawed. You did not directly insult me, or anyone for that matter, so no matter what I think of your wording you will not be called out by a mod. For the same reasons I will not attack you directly. I believe that anyone who seeks to limit the freedoms of a man based on his own moral judgment is a man to be feared. I believe that anyone who believes they have the right to decide what you are allowed to consume within your own home is a man to be feared. If we are not committing an act that is harmful to another no man has the right to prevent you from comitting that act.

I have the right to do what I want with my own body. I can get a tattoo, slice myself open with a knife, cut off my fucking leg, anything. You have no right to stop me from doing these things, despite them all being directly harmful (Or, in the case of the tattoo, potentially harmful and increasing risk factors, like any other substance) to my own person.

If you stand for liberty you should stand for liberty without limits, bar the limits that the harm principle proposes.

tldr; Just fucking read what I wrote. I know its long. I know its rant worthy but...

Ok, fine, Here is the tldr! "The arguments within the post I have quoted are insane and I disagree with them wholeheartedly for the reasons I have outlined within the post"

EDIT:

Ok, Read up on a few replies that you have made and I would like to make the following statement:
You are being deliberately antagonistic. You are being deliberately insulting. We used to have a word for that but it was taken away from us by the mods. I... I feel guilty for wasting my time in writing a well worded response to your statements.

Good day to you, Ser. I have more reading to do. As a despicable human being with no concept of legality or standards, I need to finish my MCS 101 reading before getting started on my Socio 101 reading, I do hope I have the time before my Poli 100 lecture. I just find it hard to fit all of these things into my day, what with being so despicable and lacking in standards that I had to do all of my washing and prepare the evening meal for my best mate and my partner. I guess I am just a horrible, horrible person.

However, in passing I have the following to say:
"Every stoner I have met" is not a good sample. If as a cyclist you have been knocked down by a car and the driver has not stopped, are all drivers assholes who are willing to knock down cyclists? I grew up in a country where Isrealis and Jews simply cannot get visas. The first Jew I met was a money grabbing assholes who bullied people and only thought for himself. Did I then assume that he was an accurate representative of the Jewish population? When he started dating another Jew with exactly the same outlook did I then think "Now that my sample has doubled, I am valid in hating all jews!"

No.

Course I fucking didnt.

Chances are you have met plenty of other stoners in your life. You just wouldn't know because they are exactly the same as you. They are students. Doctors. Pilots. Cops. Soldiers.

And just cause you have met a bunch of assholes who do not look after themselves and happen to smoke pot doesnt mean pot is bad.

It means you need to start hanging around a better group of people.

 

[fenrizz]

Are you serious, or are you just trolling us?

Either way, smoking marijuana in moderation does not leave one as a shallow, lazy, small-minded (funny you should mention small-minded), degenerates.

Neither do they break the law for fun, but break the law to engage in a fun activity.
The difference is small, but rather important, wouldn't you agree?

As we all know there is a huge difference between casual use and downright substance abuse.
Having a few beers or a joint once in a while is essentially harmless, but abusing either of them on a daily basis will damage both your body and your psyche.

On the subject of the law, no, there isn't a difference. They are breaking the law simply because they want to do something illegal for their own amusement, not because they have a good reason behind their actions. In some cases the law can be bent for the greater good, but when you want to break it for the sole purpose of your own convenience it remains rigid.

On the subject of the law maybe, but morally there is a huge difference.
The law does not remain as rigid as you might think, several countries have already relaxed their drug laws (some with great success) and more are looking to follow suit.

When it comes to the use of marijuana, moderate or otherwise, I will say that I've never met a single drug user who was not an absolutely revolting individual. They're greasy and foul, they ignore all manners and propriety, they dress in tacky clothes and listen to mindless music, and they do nothing but glorify their meaningless, insipid lives as criminal losers to anyone who will listen. They're disgusting, and while I can't say that I'll go out and demand marijuana laws remain the same, I refuse to support any legislation that will give those profligates even the slightest degree of social acceptance.

So you've meet a homeless junkie?
Congratulations.

Seriously though, that statement is just blatantly wrong.
Most marijuana users are not ill-mannered, greasy and foul.

Mindless music?
Classy argument right there.
Music is in the eyes (or rather ears) of the beholder and even though you personally don't like the particular genre does not make it mindless.


Most likely you'd never even know they used it, because the majority of us would never, ever proclaim our use of the herb publicly.
Most of us are ordinary people, living ordinary lives.
The only difference is that instead of having a few beers or some wine on a Saturday night, we choose to relax with a joint instead.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

Self mutilating is stupid. there is NO excuse. Most body builders self mutilate with their diets as well, so you picked a bad example.
As for the culture aspect, well, i would agree, but netherlands.... you go on vacation and peopel move into your house and turn it into weed house ruining everything you had.... Sure a lot of it comes from illegality, but like there are moonshine factories, there are illegal weed factories in netherlands too. legalizing weed does not solve the criminal offences associated with drug use/sale, it only removes the offence of usage.

How do body builders self mutilate. And whats your definition of self mutilating? Not having peak health intake of all substances? For example by the definition i think youre using this:

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Theres NO excuse?

The basic argument is that eating these EVERY SO OFTEN (with time inbetween) has no real adverse effect on health. Well it does to a degree obviously, youre not going to live as long as the hypothetical "optimal" human being who eats perfectly dictated nutritional paste to perfectly cover all needs and nothing more. These things are only bad in excess. For example some people, like myself, enjoy a glass of rose wine for the taste every so often. Is that stupid? Hardly. In the same way you enjoy the occasional chocolate cake. Sure some people become obese and some people get drunk but shall we call it quits and say that these people shouldnt deny us our chocolate cake and single glass of wine? I have nothing to do with these people and nor do you. Smoking i dont partake in and never will. So i find it hard to defend. I err on the side of it being stupid too as its chemically addictive while alcohol is addictive in the same way cake is addictive, no chemical component is specifically designed to promote subconscious dependency. Its perfectly easy to control my intake to a single glass every so often and at formal events.

I dont really understand how you could reach the conclusion it doesnt solve SOME if not most of the crime. For example my girlfriend lives in a druggy neighborhood. Ive been mugged before by a drug dealer there on my way home. It attracts unsavory types because this shady man is their ONLY source. It makes it a shitty place to live. If it becomes available at boots being sold over the counter for cheaper (difficulty of supply when illegal = expense) by a nice Australian girl who will need to come to the drug lord? Will he have power? Why will unsavory people need to visit the area at all? His role in the area will die. At worst he becomes a petty thief with another motivation. The congregation of shady people in the area would cease. It would improve the area by removing the density of criminals in the area. The source dries up.

 

[Syphous]

I used to smoke pot every day. Usually more than once. It was a lot of fun. Then I stopped. No real reason, I just lost interest and didn't want to pay for it anymore.

I have an apartment, a girlfriend, a job, and am (for the most part) a fairly intelligent person.

I'm all for legalizing marijuana. It doesn't ruin anyone's life. People do that on their own.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

i'm against prohbition for the most part, only on extreme extreme things, but i definitely don't see why this shouldnt be legalized, if only for the taxing benefits of it.

still, i think adults should be able to do what they wish when it comes to marijuana, as long as it doesn't affect other's freedoms around them.



although..this will mean that it's going to smell like shit 100x worse than usual, and i thought cigerette smoke smelled bad..most weed smells like a rank sweet smelling egg fart someone just inhaled and exhaled a half hour later. (I sit next to a huge pothead in my morning class..fucking hate it.)

 

[Strazdas]

Self mutilating is stupid. there is NO excuse. Most body builders self mutilate with their diets as well, so you picked a bad example.
As for the culture aspect, well, i would agree, but netherlands.... you go on vacation and peopel move into your house and turn it into weed house ruining everything you had.... Sure a lot of it comes from illegality, but like there are moonshine factories, there are illegal weed factories in netherlands too. legalizing weed does not solve the criminal offences associated with drug use/sale, it only removes the offence of usage.

How do body builders self mutilate. And whats your definition of self mutilating? Not having peak health intake of all substances? For example by the definition i think youre using this:

Self-harm (SH) or deliberate self-harm (DSH) includes self-injury (SI) and self-poisoning and is defined as the intentional, direct injuring of body tissue most often done without suicidal intentions. These terms are used in the more recent literature in an attempt to reach a more neutral terminology. The older literature, especially that which predates the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, almost exclusively refers to self-mutilation.
Substance misuse, dependence and withdrawal are associated with self-harm. Benzodiazepine dependence as well as benzodiazepine withdrawal is associated with self-harming behaviour in young people. Alcohol is a major risk factor for self-harm. A study which analysed self-harm presentations to emergency rooms in Northern Ireland found that alcohol was a major contributing factor and involved in 63.8% of self-harm presentations.
Wikipedia is your friend.

Body builders abuse their bodies both physically and with die to push them to extreme conditions. many snap and die young, few, like Shwartzneger, succeed. But as far as thier bodies are concerned, most "bodybuilder diet" is torture. it brings extreme stress to the body and body defends in the way it would react in extreme conditions, say, concentration camp.

Theres NO excuse?

The basic argument is that eating these EVERY SO OFTEN (with time inbetween) has no real adverse effect on health.

1. why woudl anyone ever want to ear eggs and beans at the same time? what sorcery is this?
2. chocolate cake does not attemt to destroy your liver and kidneys the instant it gets into your body. It gives excess calories, but thats about all it does. Alcohol, however, is instantly threated as "poisons" by your body. the "being poisoned" effect is what you refer to as "being drunk". to argue that chocolate is as bad as alcohol is stupid and we should nto expand there.

Well it does to a degree obviously, youre not going to live as long as the hypothetical "optimal" human being who eats perfectly dictated nutritional paste to perfectly cover all needs and nothing more.

well, while partly true, not necessarely. our bodies are short term machines. the natural wear despite the food you eat would put your liver to around 120 years till it gets used up. bad gfood speed i up, yes, but you wouldnt live forever if you had perfect conditions. the longest living organ from that perspective is, no wonder, the brain, counting around 300-500 possible lifetime till it "grows old". now sure there are people who live above 120 years. those are mutations. good mutations but still mutations.

These things are only bad in excess.

as long as you body can take care of the problem without causing damage to itself it is not excess. your point is correct. thing is, any amount of alcohol that woudl be of any significance (say a bottle of bear) already leaves harm to your body. A chocolate cake (btw i dont eat them, but you gave that example) however will leave no harm unless you will lay in bed all day and burn minimum calories, which is a problem of lazyness, not diet.

For example some people, like myself, enjoy a glass of rose wine for the taste every so often. Is that stupid? Hardly.

ironically, red wine is the only alcohol that is found to have medical qualities due to the grapes its made from. you couldnt have picked a better example.

Sure some people become obese and some people get drunk but shall we call it quits and say that these people shouldnt deny us our chocolate cake and single glass of wine? I have nothing to do with these people and nor do you.

well, we could have laws like sweden had (they removed them now ). you are allwoed to buy x amount of alcohol per months. it is marked in your passport in store when you buy it (so you wouldnt buy more in another store). this solves the "excess drunkard" problem without denying you your glass of wine. win win? swedes didnt think so.

Smoking i dont partake in and never will. So i find it hard to defend. I err on the side of it being stupid too as its chemically addictive while alcohol is addictive in the same way cake is addictive, no chemical component is specifically designed to promote subconscious dependency. Its perfectly easy to control my intake to a single glass every so often and at formal events.

alcohol does have physical addiction, although not as strong as nicotine. now that is one thing for the benefit of marijuana, as it is not know to have physical addiction, only psychological.

dont really understand how you could reach the conclusion it doesnt solve SOME if not most of the crime. For example my girlfriend lives in a druggy neighborhood. Ive been mugged before by a drug dealer there on my way home.

the person would have mugged you regardless if he is going to spend the money on an illegal drug dealer or on a legal. if the location of legla drug dealer would be elsewhere, he would have mugged someone else as you wouldn't be there. the crime does not disappear. saying that "moving it away solves it" is as good as giving you advice to move out of bad neighborhood.
infact, then you go on to make the very point i claimed was the proof of falsehood of your primal statement. moving crime to another location is not solving crime. its running from it.
Now im not sure how legal it is to say this in escapist..... but ill risk it. i know a few weed dealers, big shots. they weeded out (pun intended) their competition. One thing i noticed, they take care of their neighboarghood. If the guys neighbors would get mugged he would go full force against the mugger. my point? not all dealers are criminal minds.

 

[vasiD]

I'm from one of the states that passed the law, Colorado, and really its like sanity is finally taking hold of this nation. I mean that there was such a long pointless war against this harmless and even helpful plant blows my mind. Meanwhile people have been drinking themselves to death since the dawn of time. I really hope this is a sign that we are shifting to a more atheist and reason-based point of view in this country... I mean who knows, maybe we'll stop waging war for resources now too. o.o

I'm extremely curious as a citizen of this state to see how this will unfold with the Federal government, because while it may be legal in our state, it's still illegal in the United States. It's going to be very interesting to see what happens now, and what effect it will have on the nation.



One final note for anyone not aware of this already: Your body naturally produces THC, it's a central component in a number of physical processes including healing and thought. The plant has been used since the dawn of time, often by the groups that would decry it now. Example: Catholics would use THC infused water for their baptisms. It was seriously insane that it was ever made illegal, and that was mostly done to give the government an excuse to throw out all the Mexican workers they brought in to the country to help build it...

I wonder if there will ever be a time when I can look at my country and not go "What in the actual fuck?", I really hope this is the start of such a time.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

There's a difference between doing something wrong in the past and regretting it and continuing that practice without remorse into the present. I'll concede to you that Obama, Gates, and Jobs all probably experimented with pot in the past, but doesn't the fact that they chose to give it up say anything? Hell, Obama said that trying drugs was his greatest moral failing. Point is, yes them doing drugs in the past isn't a point in their favor, but the fact that set that aside instead of wallowing in that stupid drug culture sets them above the morons who continue to give in to something that is blatantly wrong.

Most people who say weed is wrong are being backed by blatantly false facts, or a backwards sense of moral superiority. If you'd watch the documentary I've linked, you'll see that the only reason it was made illegal in the first place was because they took advantage of racism (by saying the black people were trying to use it to corrupt white people), and claiming it made people violent (and than proceeded to advertise that it made people too soft in the Vietnam war era).

The simple truth is that they've only recently started truly testing the effects of marijuana, and there's been pretty much nothing to say it's harmful or has any long lasting effects on post-pubescent adults.

You hate the culture? Nobody likes hippies. They smell bad. But just because I have something in common with a hippy doesn't mean I subscribe to their foul smelling culture. It means I enjoy mellowing out in my own privacy. I'll never effect you at all.

 

[Violator[xL]]

I think it's a good thing. But I'm from the Netherlands where it has been semi-legal for decades, basicly the country hasn't gone to ruins, and the total number of drug users (hard and soft) is lower than the worldwide average.
Alcohol has proven to be more damaging to society then Marijuana, and noone makes a fuss about that (anymore).


Nevertheless, their should be a higher minimum age then in the current situation (18) and education about the consequences.

 

[fenrizz]

nothing to say it's harmful or has any long lasting effects on post-pubescent adults.

You hate the culture? Nobody likes hippies. They smell bad. But just because I have something in common with a hippy doesn't mean I subscribe to their foul smelling culture. It means I enjoy mellowing out in my own privacy. I'll never effect you at all.

I like hippies.
I don't get where all this hippie hate comes from...

 

[Hawk eye1466]

Well great I'm so excited for every state to do this! Except I'm not.

I knew someone who smoked occasionally and whenever he did he smelled like crap, he annoyed the hell out of everyone because of how he was "so high, and starving".

But what I do look forward to is the dipshits that get arrested and sent to jail because the federal government still considers it illegal everywhere and since federal law is above state they lose.

 

[IamLEAM1983]

I know here in Canada it is still very much so illegal but I have never gotten the impression anybody really cares.

I can confirm that. I've toked out in Montreal twice before and I never got harassed. Pushers and producers have to be careful, but the average consumer who smokes something that's barely thicker than a toothpick won't be bothered.

Not that I'd go around pretending I'm Jamaican, with a gigantic chair bar of the stuff wedged between my teeth... I'm pretty sure I'd push my luck if I did that. XD

 

[Dangit2019]

This is amazing. If only Texas would follow suit (YEAH RIGHT). I wonder though, what happens to the people already in jail?

Dug, we're probably going to be the very last state to legalize. We can't even get same-sex marriage in, so it would be miraculous for Rick "ermagerd homos" Perry to even consider it. For now, it's more sensible to have a Harold & Kumar style roadtrip to Colorado than wait for Texas to catch up.

OT: This looks pretty awesome, but there's definitely going to be a clash with the gov't saying that it's still illegal...

EDIT: Actually, the Harold and Kumar thing doesn't sound too bad right now, are you up for it?