You only ever bothered to learn DWEM history, so I'm the fan of white power?Kendarik said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
Wikipedia is a neo-nazi organization though, right? Right, buddy?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
Wikipedia is a neo-nazi organization though, right? Right, buddy?
Meh. Get the fuck over it. WW2 was a loooooong ass time ago and no one of worth cares any more.
Ignorant of what it meant? Nah, I can't buy that. Trying to co-opt some of the SS mystique for their role as scout snipers? Yeah, I can buy that.
Let's face it: you get a bunch of males in their early 20's together, give them guns and train them to be very deadly killers, and you're going to wind up with some very aberrant behavior, as a general rule, unless the officers in charge of such a group keep an extremely close eye on things.
And aren't complete idiots.
Let's face it: you get a bunch of males in their early 20's together, give them guns and train them to be very deadly killers, and you're going to wind up with some very aberrant behavior, as a general rule, unless the officers in charge of such a group keep an extremely close eye on things.
And aren't complete idiots.
1923, assume someone was 10 years old and their parents were raped and murdered in front of their eyes. 2012-1923 they would be about to hit 90. Someone in their late 70s or early 80s could have grown up with one or both of their parents dead. Someone who lived through it in their 20s who had children later could mean someone currently in their 40s or 50s would have grown up knowing that their grandparents were killed, grown up with parents who have a huge amount of psychological and emotional baggage.Kendarik said:
Given its still Turkeys flag, and Turkey fosters and encourages a denialist opinion of the whole 'incident' yeah id say Armenians don't like it at all. What if the Germans still had a Swastika on their flag and went around calling the Jews liars?Kendarik said:
The longer it takes the more power you give their actions. The more power you give their actions the more you open the door to others who would do the same. By ignoring them and moving on you destroy their legacy and you destroy their power over us.Kendarik said:
Do you know what the words 'not comparing like with like' actually mean?Mycroft Holmes said:
It's not the wrong colour, just like none of the flags I posted as examples for you are the wrong font. Give me one legitimate reason why changing the colour of the flag would change its meaning? What has writing the double sig rune on a blue flag ever meant which might distinguish it from the more common black flag?
As mentioned, it's a German occult symbol from the turn of the 20th century. It has no relevance to American people whatsoever except that a person ignorant of its origin might read it as a letter 'S'.
Again.. please compare like with like. I know you were wrong first time and it's hard to deal with, but this is dumb and I can't be bothered with it.Mycroft Holmes said:
Considering that half a million civilians are estimated to have died in Vietnam due to the widespread of use of defoliants by the US, not even considering the effects of conventional bombing and actual military action in the country. I think we can safely say that that if you're going to follow this line of logic, then we should ban practically all national flags.
I'm not advocating that, because national flags have alternate significance, the double sig rune really doesn't. It has never represented an existing country, group or institution except wherein it has been used as a symbol by certain elements of the extreme right. The association with the marine scout/snipers is strictly informal and clearly wasn't endorsed by anyone in authority, because they've now banned it.
Yeah, and you should also support and allow paedophilia because theoretically if aliens arrived and threatened to blow up the planet unless you personally had sex with a small boy, you'd probably do it.Mycroft Holmes said:
"Unreasonable" doesn't ever mean that. It means unreasonable for the circumstances, for the world we happen to live in and the prevailing context in which these actions might occur. It is unreasonable in that world, and no shitty attempts to invent hypothetical scenarios will cover for that.
Seriously, it's an SS flag. It has no meaning except as an SS flag and symbol of the extreme right. It doesn't represent a country. It doesn't represent a legitimate polical position. It's not even latin script. You aren't going to change that through denial. Accept it, move on, get over it.
If you can't maintain respect for people who make mistakes because they also do an incredibly difficult job under extreme pressure, then I'm sorry to point out that planet Earth is inevitably going to disappoint you. Noone is perfect, and if you're willing to forget that because it's more comforting to imagine that your military personnel can do no wrong, then I think you've lost the right to try and lecture anyone about genocide.
Of for goods sake, this is ridiculous!I mean come on, so what if they had a symbol that way used about 65 years ago, it doesn't matter about what it used to mean, to them, it means Scout Sniper.
It's always the Marines doing the stupid shit. Makes me wonder if they deliberately recruit the dumbest members of society to be a Marine.
Whatever, people just using this to bash the military because they can and it gives them an excuse.
Subjectivity can be such a *****.
Also the SS was a crazy brutal unit but they were an awesome combat unit who got stuff done and had the germans won they would of been the navy seals of the world. Just goes to show that the victor always writes history.
And as said before it does mean Sniper Scout because they are snipers and scouts as their job for all you people who are ignorant about what roles they do in the military look it up before you open your civi mouths.
Subjectivity can be such a *****.
Also the SS was a crazy brutal unit but they were an awesome combat unit who got stuff done and had the germans won they would of been the navy seals of the world. Just goes to show that the victor always writes history.
And as said before it does mean Sniper Scout because they are snipers and scouts as their job for all you people who are ignorant about what roles they do in the military look it up before you open your civi mouths.
Dude, are you saying that no one cares about WW2 anymore? Man that's a really dumb blanket statement you've put out there, just because you dont give a damn about the war and the sacrifices those soldiers made, doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't.Monkeyman O said:
The Nazi's didn't come up with the Swastika either. Take a look here [https://www.google.com/search?q=buddhist&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-USKendarik said:
fficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=rZk7T_O3HcfqgQfVs8iYCw&biw=1366&bih=644&sei=sJk7T5KAD4rAgQf_uLCZCw#um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=hindu+swastika&pbx=1&oq=hindu+swastika&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=93721l95029l6l95425l5l5l0l0l0l0l96l422l5l5l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=54e066ce9c831687&biw=1366&bih=644].As someone who's grandparents survived the holocaust(even though most of my family was murdered), I don't think that what happened to my family is less important because it is more recent. What happened to the Armenian people was a genocide and (imo) should be viewed with the same respect that people give to genocide my grandparents faced. If you think the Arminiean genocide and the emotions associated with it are gone, you [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide#Controversies]..are [http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/24/world/europe/french-senate-passes-genocide-bill-angering-turks.html]..wrong [http://www.euronews.net/2012/01/21/senate-vote-sparks-protests-in-paris/].Kendarik said:
...wut. A lot of symbols?Elementary - Dear Watson said:
Just sayin', the SS is probably one of the first things you should know about as a history buff, seeing as it was "one of the largest and most powerful organizations in the Third Reich," to quote wikipedia.
Well, they should get on changing the practice of using the flag.
I lose a lot of faith in the intelligence of our military knowing that none of them made the link in their minds between "two sig runes" and "the two sig runes used by Nazis."
I lose a lot of faith in the intelligence of our military knowing that none of them made the link in their minds between "two sig runes" and "the two sig runes used by Nazis."
And to the afghan civilians watching the US soldiers posing in front of the flag, it means "we identify with nazi's". It's like watching your child run around screaming ****** in a crowded area, just because the kid probably doesn't know what it means doesn't mean it's A-ok. The difference is a child has a good excuse for ignorance, US Marines don't. Seriously, your military is out there representing America as a whole, what people see your soldiers doing matters, and you don't even give a shit?Scarecrow1001 said:
This "well it doesn't harm us, who cares?" attitude is exactly why 9/11 happened in the first place.
