Mas Effect 3 was an unfinished game.

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

You know the saddest thing? It's unfinished because they decided to add multiplayer and Kinect features. They forgot what made their games great in the past and they released this rushed piece of shit.

Those features had nothing at all to do with the ending.

You can believe that if you like.

 

[SajuukKhar]

You can believe that if you like.

Because them not adding multiplayer would have prevented a last minute breakdown of Casey Hudson's sanity causing him to re-write the ending?

Seriously, think about it for a second.

What you said, was stupid.

 

[Kahunaburger]

EDIT:

I doubt the majority of the development team even had a hand in the ending

Apparently, that was part of the problem.

But that's not how things work on projects with a very large amount of people involved. With small development teams everyone can have a hand in forming the game as a whole, but with teams of 100+ (can't find exact numbers) everyone has a very distinct role. Concept artists/modellers/programmers/animators/etc. don't have a hand in story development but the movement bashes and insults Bioware as a whole, completely ignoring the fact that the people in the roles I listed had nothing to do with the ending.

My comment was actually a reference to how apparently not all of the core writing staff had input on the ending.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

You can believe that if you like.

Because them not adding multiplayer would have prevented a last minute breakdown of Casey Hudson's sanity causing him to re-write the ending?

Seriously, think about it for a second.

What you said, was stupid.

The ending is so obviously something that's been put together at the last minute. It has nothing to do with artistic expression and artistic integrity. I really don't know how on Earth can people still believe that. They're trying to defend themselves because saying how it was their plan is a lot better than saying how they rushed the game and took our money for an unfinished product. Don't be so naive.

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

If you don't like talking about Mass Effect you know what's even easier than complaining? not going into the thread at all. Seriously why are all these people who didn't even play the game getting involved? It doesn't affect you, why do you even care?

So your addition to a thread complaining about the ending to Mass Effect 3, is to complain that people are complaining in a thread complaining about ME3.... I think that makes sense.

Oh the Irony... That I also helped to perpetuate.

You can believe that if you like.

Because them not adding multiplayer would have prevented a last minute breakdown of Casey Hudson's sanity causing him to re-write the ending?

Seriously, think about it for a second.

What you said, was stupid.

The ending is so obviously something that's been put together at the last minute. It has nothing to do with artistic expression and artistic integrity. I really don't know how on Earth can people still believe that. They're trying to defend themselves because saying how it was their plan is a lot better than saying how they rushed the game and took our money for an unfinished product. Don't be so naive.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please genuinely do, but wasn't the ending leaked a couple of months before release & Bioware had to rewrite it?

 

[SajuukKhar]

The ending is so obviously something that's been put together at the last minute. It has nothing to do with artistic expression and artistic integrity. I really don't know how on Earth can people still believe that. They're trying to defend themselves because saying how it was their plan is a lot better than saying how they rushed the game and took our money for an unfinished product. Don't be so naive.

I never said it had anything to do with artistic anything.

WTF are you talking about?

I mean that in all seriousness, where in fucks name did you get "artistic anything" out of my post.

I said Casey went crazy and redid the ending, it doesn't have to do with artistic anything, I never said it did, or implied it.

Him redoing the ending had nothing to do with multiplayer or Kinect at all, it had to do with the script leak.

Like seriously, I think I just saw dumb on a whole new level today because of your post.

 

[TorqueConverter]

The ending sucked and can be argued on other levels that the game was rushed overall. I waited to buy this game until the word was out on whether it was good or not. I found out about the day one DLC and decided not to purchase the game.

I can't help but feel as if the more people waited to buy the game then the sting of this ending business would have been a lot less severe. All I can say is learn from your mistakes. Never put faith in a development studio. It's like assuming a movie will be good based on the actors. You are not wrong for being angry, but the lesson learned here should be to show a bit of restraint in the future.

Even excellent studios staffed by great people can fail at the task they set out to accomplish.

 

[Darkmantle]

The ending is so obviously something that's been put together at the last minute. It has nothing to do with artistic expression and artistic integrity. I really don't know how on Earth can people still believe that. They're trying to defend themselves because saying how it was their plan is a lot better than saying how they rushed the game and took our money for an unfinished product. Don't be so naive.

I never said it had anything to do with artistic anything.

WTF are you talking about?

I mean that in all seriousness, where in fucks name did you get "artistic anything" out of my post.

I said Casey went crazy and redid the ending, it doesn't have to do with artistic anything, I never said it did, or implied it.

Him redoing the ending had nothing to do with multiplayer or Kinect at all, it had to do with the script leak.

Like seriously, I think I just saw dumb on a whole new level today because of your post.

I have a question, what was the leaked ending supposed to be? It would e funny if that ending was better

 

[SajuukKhar]

I have a question, what was the leaked ending supposed to be? It would e funny if that ending was better

Basically there was a dangerous build-up of dark energy in the galaxy, that threatened to blow up all the suns, that The Reapers were trying to stop and they were harvesting organic races to add to their collective so that they could use all these various races systems of thought to come up with a solution because so far they had been unable to do so themselves.

 

[The_Waspman]

As much as I've tried to ignore a lot of these 'Mass Effect 3's ending sucked/BioWare/EA suck/We deserve better' threads, isn't it time to let go?

The problem isn't even about the ending any more. Its about the marketing, and the fan rage, and everything surrounding the game itself. The actual game (and its ending) have become inconsequential, and that I think is the problem. The situation has evolved beyond its source and now there is no going back from that.

Personally, the worst thing about the ending for me was this whole situation that has evolved from it. Sure, it'd be nice to get a little more closure for the characters, but since we've been following Shepard for the whole time, not finding out what happens to everyone else once s/he has been taken out of play is something I can accept.

Was the rest of the game not satisfying? Was it not fun? I personally loved it. I ignored as best I could all the ire that was being strewn around the internet at the time (there were other fan rages I could focus on, such as the company I used to work for not getting the game in stock) and there were so many moments in the game that got me really involved, such as...

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Thinking I might have actually got Ashley killed because I wasn't fast enough chasing that assassin down on Mars

or

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feeling genuinely sad when Mordin sacrified himself to cure the genophage,

or

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the satisfaction of punching that arrogant Quarian twat in the gut for almost blowing me the fuck up,

to

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feeling like the ultimate badass when I tell Legion to pull over so I can jump out and singlehandedly take down a Reaper, and then having that victory marred by losing Legion when he sacrifices himself to bring peace between the Geth and the Quarians

and so many more besides. Endings are very rarely perfect, I accept that from all forms of entertainment media. I get that while I can accept that myself, a great deal of people don't feel the same way, and I kinda feel bad for those people, because I enjoyed a fantastic entertainment experience, and a great many other people haven't been able to. But a lot of these people I think have taken things way too far. I'd like to be able to empathise with everyone who did feel let down, and I do with the more rational ones, but to the irrational ones, I cant, because there are people in the world in far worse situations than us affluent westerners, and people rabidly raving (STILL) about the Mass Effect 3 ending is kinda making us all look like dicks.

 

[Tony Murlin]

The ending is so obviously something that's been put together at the last minute. It has nothing to do with artistic expression and artistic integrity. I really don't know how on Earth can people still believe that. They're trying to defend themselves because saying how it was their plan is a lot better than saying how they rushed the game and took our money for an unfinished product. Don't be so naive.

I never said it had anything to do with artistic anything.

WTF are you talking about?

I mean that in all seriousness, where in fucks name did you get "artistic anything" out of my post.

I said Casey went crazy and redid the ending, it doesn't have to do with artistic anything, I never said it did, or implied it.

Him redoing the ending had nothing to do with multiplayer or Kinect at all, it had to do with the script leak.

Like seriously, I think I just saw dumb on a whole new level today because of your post.

I have a question, what was the leaked ending supposed to be? It would e funny if that ending was better

http://www.oxm.co.uk/39736/revealed-the-mass-effect-3-ending-bioware-canned-before-release/

I don't know how I feel about the "original" ending concept. I guess it could have been awesome or terrible, depending on how it was accomplished. I still don't like the idea of the Reapers having an ultimately knowable and, all things being equal, altrustic purpose.

Oh well.

 

[SajuukKhar]

You know, that... sounds kind of silly, to be perfectly honest. I mean... doesn't everything to do with Mass Effect fields use/generate Dark energy? Hell, the Alpha Relay uses massive stores of Dark Energy to extend it's effective range into Dark Space, so... the whole 'Were harvesting you 'cause we don't know how to stop Dark Energy build up, despite the fact that it's almost entirely our fault (and could have easily been fixed many cycles ago by not using Mass Effect fields)' seems a bit... weak.

The whole 'Organic vs. Synthetic' line of thinking is actually better (IMO), it's just it was fairly poorly executed in the current end.

That was the cause of the problem.

EVERYTHING used Dark Energy and that use caused the build up, the Mass Relays themselves were part of the problem. but the Reapers also needed them to be able to move around faster to find races to absorb.

 

[Phlakes]

*Sigh. With so many people going "change the ending", apparently they're forgetting that there already is one, whatever you think of it.

 

[Thoric485]

I don't get how publishers manage to churn out sequels every year or two years, and still maintain the "you're supporting the developer" illusion. It's obvious that 90% of your money is funneled into marketing or idiotic side-projects like SW:TOR.

There used to be a time when you could notice significant technological improvement between two consecutive games of a popular series, or at least better production quality. Yet despite the industry's huge growth this last decade, that is no longer the case, and no one seems to mind.

Mass Effect fans have no one to blame but themselves, for buying from EA in the first place.

 

[DoPo]

*Sigh. With so many people going "change the ending", apparently they're forgetting that there already is one, whatever you think of it.

I'm pretty sure they don't forget that. Something needs to be there to be changed. And presumably it's not fit for the purpose if it needs changing. So they both recognise there is an ending and they think stuff of it.

 

[AdamRhodes]

*Sigh. With so many people going "change the ending", apparently they're forgetting that there already is one, whatever you think of it.

This isn't a "change the ending" thread. This isn't even really a ME3 thread. This is about games being rushed/unfinished, publishers (EA) being dicks, and where the focus of development is.

 

[mattttherman3]

The game was rushed. Aw muffin. Games and film are like this occasionally. Remember KOTOR 2?

Who uses that guy for a meme, really? he is practically his own meme, horrid actor.

OT yeah pretty much, I mean the sidequests were pretty much jokes, go from one level of the citadel to another, hit consoles...

 

[SajuukKhar]

But that still doesn't explain why they've had millions of years of cycles, especially since they must have known this was a problem to start the cycle of harvest. Setting up the Mass Relays, harvesting a cycle, retreating, letting a new group of sapients grow into using the Mass Relays, harvesting this new cycle, etc. all to stop the dark energy build up caused by use of the Mass Relays...

It sounds like a vegetarian trying to stop you eating meat by buying you a Burger, just sayin'. Surely they could have just gone when they noticed the problem of Dark Energy 'Oh shit, the Mass Relays are fucking us up. We should get rid of them/stop using them.'

If the reapers had just destroyed the Mass Relays they wouldn't have been able to harvest organics, no harvesting organics means Reapers die off, Reapers die off means the only people who know about the problem are dead. Dead reapers means sometime in the future a race build a mass relay network of its own, causes the same problems BUT they may not know about the problem meaning universe is fucked.

Also the reapers probably didn't find out about the problem for some time. they could have built the relay system, been using for awhile, found out its screwing them over, make THEN make the plan.

I wouldnt be suprised if one day a reaper was like
reaper 1 "hey why are all these suns exploding"
reaper 2 "uhh I dont know there's some dark energy readings coming off of it"
reaper 1 "wait doesn't our system of gian space slingshots use dark energy"
Reaper 2 " ohh FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, we got to stop this"