Mass Effect 2 Suicide Mission Strange Outcome

[oden636]

I just completed Mass Effect 2 and mine threw up a bit of a strange conclusion for me =$

I had ALL ship upgrades and had everyone loyal except Jacob ( he annoyed me so wanted to use him to die) I had;

Miranda 1st Fire Team
Legion Vents
Samara as bubble shield
Tali as the one to take back survivors
Miranda 2nd Fire Team.

What happened was as followed, Jack dies by the laser hitting the normandy at the start, instantly frying her even though i had the shields... was just curious but not bothered as i didnt really like her.
All going well until Legion for some ungodly reason takes a bullet to the noodle and dies whilst closing the door, even though he was both loyal and i liked him alot. Was about to slap myself in the face when i thought, no i must continue for the good of the game. I left Miranda as fire team with all the survivors except Grunt and Garrus who were in my team.
I had recently watched my friend play and he said any you leave behind as a distraction who arnt loyal will die, was like ok "Bye Jacob you useless pleb". All was going well big badass destroyed, yada yada yada. My team make it out in one piece. As Shepard talks to joker he says all of the survivors of the distraction team made it out. And lo and behold when the camera pans over the body i expect to see Jacobs crispy corpse... But no! Miranda is lay their steaming away =/

So in all and all why did i lose Some of my favourite characters and yet Jacob is stood their on the Normady looking on top of the world because he knows he should be dead! Jack died of a laser that the ships hull had enough shields for, a loyal legion dies when closing a door and Miranda dies defending shepards ass when jacob isnt loyal!

 

[Legion]

Sounds like a bug.

As far as I am aware:

If you have the upgraded armour, better shields and the better cannon for the ship then nobody should die on the ship.

If everyone is loyal then the only way anyone should die is if they are the infiltrator and you don't get to the valves in time, or if you pick them for the wrong thing (which you didn't).

Very odd indeed.

EDIT: Unless...

Did you choose Tali over Legion in their argument and Jack over Miranda? If so you lose their loyalty which would explain it.

On my first go I saved them all and had all three upgrades, everyone loyal and the following teams:

Garrus fire-team leader.
Legion infiltrator.
Garrus fire-team leader again.
Samara as the biotic.
I didn't escort the crew back (bad me, I did for the play through I will use for ME 3 though)

Can't remember who I used in each fight, probably Tali and Thane most of the time.

 

[Fusionxl]

That is very weird, no one should die during the Omega 4 relay cutscene if you have all upgrades installed. In my playthrough everyone except Jack survived ( she wasn't loyal ) and I also put Miranda as the squad leader and Samara as the biotic bubbler, although I let Tali crawl through the ventilation instead of Legion.

 

[katsumoto03]

I ran into a bug where everything was peachy until the final cutscene where it just randomly showed mordin dead on the ground... I was pretty pissed.

 

[Jandau]

*SNIP*

Sounds like you picked the correct people for each task.

Was everyone loyal? If you pick any non-loyal people for any of the tasks, someone will die.

Did you get both the Armor AND the Shield upgrades?

As for Miranda dropping dead at the end, that's because you took too long on the last boss. The longer you take, greater the chance someone will end up dead. You have to be really fast to keep everyone alive.

 

[KnightofBlades]

If you don't have enough Paragon/Renegade points to resolve the arguements, tthere's a strong chance they'll die. Example, did you choose Tali over Legion and Miranda over Jack in their arguements??

 

[CD-R]

Sounds like a bug.

As far as I am aware:

If you have the upgraded armour, better shields and the better cannon for the ship then nobody should die on the ship.

If everyone is loyal then the only way anyone should die is if they are the infiltrator and you don't get to the valves in time, or if you pick them for the wrong thing (which you didn't).

Very odd indeed.

EDIT: Unless...

Did you choose Tali over Legion in their argument and Jack over Miranda? If so you lose their loyalty which would explain it.

This would probably be it.

I had

Miranda lead both fire teams,
Legion Crawl through the vents,
Jack on the bubble shield
Zaeed escort survivors
and Tali and Garrus fight the final boss.

Everyone lived. Even Modrin, which is weird because doesn't he usually die if you have him hold the line with the rest of your team?

 

[kurupt87]

Jacob survived where you tried to kill him because he is pretty good at being a defender, so has a fairly high HtL score. He would've died if you'd taken him to the final battle, any non loyal in that fight will die.

The only reason I can think of for Legion dying (outside of a bug anyway) is like Machines suggested, if you sided with Tali in their argument then you lose Legion's loyalty. Or, siding with Jack against Miranda, therfore losing Miranda's loyalty, getting the techie killed (an unloyal leader gets the techie killed).

Jack dying on the ship is due to you not having upgraded armour or shields (I forget which one), and if you did upgrade them both then that is a bug.

Miranda died during HtL because she has a low score for that bit. (Also, if you sided with Jack [which you probably didn't, as you said you didn't like her] then you'd lose Miranda's loyalty, which lowers her score even more)

 

[Snowalker]

I ran into a bug where everything was peachy until the final cutscene where it just randomly showed mordin dead on the ground... I was pretty pissed.

This happens if you don't tell him to take the survivors. Look, I know its not supposed to kill him, but for some the game wants him to be the guy that takes the survivors, got me as to why.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Each character has their own "hold the line score", which determines if they can survive holding the line. Loyalty and character upgrades boost this score. So you don't necessarily need loyalty to survive holding the line. An unloyal Grunt with the claymore shotgun can hold the line by himself. The lower the team's overall score the more likely someone is to bite a bullet. The "squishy" members die first, which include Mordin, Tali, and Miranda (I think). So Jacob didn't die because he is a better defender than Miranda.

Also if Legion died in the vents then Miranda must have been unloyal.

 

[Boba Frag]

Didn't lose anyone except Zaeed and *gulp* Tali.... just a minute there's something in my eye...

*pats on the shoulder*

Poor Tali

I brought her on my team for the entire mission just to make sure she'd be ok... which she was!
Poor Legion bought it closing the door for me.
I had Sammara lead the first fire team, Garrus the next, and then Samarra again (to keep Miranda and Jack from bitching at each other)

Also, I used jack as the bubble shield. I figured she was naff enough at combat but her biotics were really good... Sammara was a logical leadership choice.

Again... Poor Tali :'(

 

[NickCaligo42]

1 - All ship upgrades.
2 - All crew members loyal. Never used Jacob myself, but figured it couldn't hurt.
3 - Chose Miranda for the first fire team, Tali for the vents.
4 - Chose Jack for the bubble shield, Miranda for the second fire team.
5 - Sent Grunt back with the survivors.
6 - Took Jack and Garrus for the final team.

Miranda's fire team consistently kicked ass, Jack not only held back the swarms but blasted the Collector drones on their asses, Grunt got the survivors back safely, and Jack and Garrus proved too tough to be brought down by some metal falling on them.

A possible logic for it is that you hit something of a cascade effect. You must've missed SOMETHING for Jack to have died, or else it was a bug. Without her, though, you're missing the team's strongest biotic. The second strongest, Samara, is left weakened by the end of the bubble shield segment. Legion, meanwhile, is still more of a fighter than a programmer (even though he has mostly the same abilities as Tali) and couldn't handle the vents; he was too slow to shut the doors in time and he had Tali covering his ass rather than the other way around.

This left you without one of the party's snipers to cover for Miranda, with the party's two most powerful biotics either dead or exhausted by the onslaught, and with one party member who's not loyal and probably looking out for himself more than for everyone else. Hence: The opposite character dies.

That seems like an awfully long way for Bioware to go for something that seems like a simple series of choices, though.

 

[Aeshi]

I ran into a bug where everything was peachy until the final cutscene where it just randomly showed mordin dead on the ground... I was pretty pissed.

I think Mordin always has a chance of dieing so for the best results tell him to escort the crew back to the ship as this ensures he won't die.

 

[Dr. Crawver]

you also needed a hull upgrade which jacob offersd if you talk to him on the ship, much like the thanix cannon or shield, and then you need jacob/garrus as fire team, then tali/legion vents, then jacob/garrus for the fire team again, and then samara/jack for the bubble, do this and everyone will live, but you do need the hull upgrade, thanix cannon and shield upgrade, and everyone loyal

 

[Dr. Crawver]

people here don't seem to get who you choose for your team is just as important as the upgrades, there are only 4 possible combinations, or anything else will have someone die, either in the cutscene, or later on for a seemingly random reason.

 

[strangerdanger22]

ok i had all the ship upgrades and every guy loyal this is my setup
zaeed leader of 1st fire team(thought he was some friggin awesome vet or something)
it works
thane for infiltration (diddnt like thane he creeped me out and i thought hes good at infiltrating)
he doesnt die while infiltrating(as expected) then while closing a gate and he gets shot in the face.
garrus lead back the survivors and lived
zaeed led the second fire team and succeeded
sumara did the bubble and it barely worked
nuked the final boss and then just randomly mordins dead on the ground and im happy cause i hated him so much.however i dont know what i did wrong because i had 2 charecters which i hated die. btw legion and grunt were my team mates

 

[Vilcus]

I did everything right apparently, every single team member survived and I got the achievment. Still don't like jack, and my favourites are Thane and Legion (at the end of the game they were the only two I used when fighting). Half expected to see Mordin die when I told him to escort the crew, but to my surprise he's apparetnly really good at leading people to safety (hooray special task group training).

 

[oden636]

Right where to start...

The Loyalty parts where Legion and Tali fell out and Miranda and Jack i was enough paragon to make them both hug and get along =/

Miranda dying at the end could be of the time taken due to the fact it did take me agggggesssss to do.

I just dont understand why Jack died when i had all ship upgrades even the pointless ones like the medical bay. When she died I wasn't too bothered as she got on my nerves. what bothered me mostly was Jacob surviving when A loyal legion takes a bullet too the noodle and dies!

Some say it could be because the fire leader wasnt loyal but Miranda was as i had checked.


Has anyone else had random people dying that probably shouldnt have?

*EDIT*
Maybe because Jacob wasnt loyal he never offered me the hull upgrade... that would explain Jack getting crisped.