Mass Effect 3 "Change The Ending" Petition (almost certainly spoilers)

[Irridium]

So, they'll all ***** about day-1 DLC, yet now they say they're willing to pay for DLC that adds a good ending?

I don't even know what to fucking say to that.

 

[random281]

Actually Sovereign says that the citadel and mass relay network were ALSO used to control technological evolution down a path that they chose. they were put in place so that organic life would base their technology off of the reapers technology which makes it easier for the reapers to destroy them because they know how the races technology works

Sovereign believed that it was superior to you in every way. He was telling you exactly how the reapers were going to destroy galactic Civilization to rub your fate in your face. He didn't just come out and tell you which technology he means because you were obviously still in a position to stop him.

The Mass effect Relays only effect Interstellar Travel, which was the key component of the Reaper Strategy at that point. They wanted to divide the individual systems of the galaxy and Conquer the divided forces one by one. The Mass Effect Relays themselves could eventually lead to projectile Weapons that could fire at faster then light speeds. Weapons the Reapers obviously were not equipped with. The entire point is that the Reapers are supposed to kill you long before you can gain any technological advantages.

The Mass Relay's control over races technological and societal evolution works regardless of if The Reapers are there or not.

How? The entire plan is to annihilate galactic Civilization before it becomes able to stop the Reapers. How could they ensure it would continue to hold civilization back, and why would they?

The only reason the Relays are even destroyed is because their energy is used to deliver the ending you choose. You're not willfully destroying them to free Galactic Civilization from the grip of the Reapers, they got destroyed as a result of how you used them.

It's also worth noting that Catalyst obviously didn't plan for the Relays to be there if he was defeated. They're destroyed as part of the "New Solutions" he laid out for you to choose. Why would he make plans for something he obviously intended to destroy as part of his plan B?

 

[SajuukKhar]

So, they'll all ***** about day-1 DLC, yet now they say they're willing to pay for DLC that adds a good ending?

I don't even know what to fucking say to that.

Hypocrisy?

 

[ScaryAlmond]

Personally I am fine with what happened on the crucible what I hate is that I don't know what happened after that were the mass relays rebuilt did everyone on the Normandy make it back and did Shepard and Liara make blue babies.
I don't think they should change the ending but they sure as hell should make an epilogue because come on there are so many lose ends it's making me crazy.
Because in the end it feels like nothing really mattered if I can't see it.

 

[William Ossiss]

7 Mass Effect 3 topics on the first page. For the benefit of the doubt, 1 is a double post.

People want Bioware to change the ending? What kind of retarded fuckwits would want that? It's not like Watchmen wherein liberties were taken, it's something they wrote.

Seriously, some people.

thank you. I may not enjoy the ME3 ending considering that it was a huge let down... you do so much stuff just to bring it all in and then none of it matters at all. They simply made me feel like i wasted my time on this interactive story. So, yeah, while I may be just a little pissed off, while i wanted to happy ending, it was a giant healthy dose of realism. We got caught up in the science fantasy rather than the science fact, and it hurts us when we find out there was simply :

Spoiler

a glorified god like figure that was controlling everything and everyone. this is what angered me the most. not that nothing we did mattered, not that my character from me1 was wasted in such a shitty way... not that all the choices and the 'perfect game' we spent hours getting was wasted by the convoluted "good, evil, or neutral" paths. No, it was the fact that catalyst was sentient and unable to comprehend that we are a galaxy united, not divided. /sigh, seems like we can't win them all.

 

[Abedeus]

7 Mass Effect 3 topics on the first page. For the benefit of the doubt, 1 is a double post.

People want Bioware to change the ending? What kind of retarded fuckwits would want that? It's not like Watchmen wherein liberties were taken, it's something they wrote.

Seriously, some people.

I detect serious childhood problems.

Also, did you even play the game? Are you happy when a book or movie ends with a Deus Ex Machina, that makes the entire book and its events pointless, and leaves more questions open than answered, and adds a shitload of new ones?

Then I'm not sure we're the fuckwits here...

So, they'll all ***** about day-1 DLC, yet now they say they're willing to pay for DLC that adds a good ending?

I don't even know what to fucking say to that.

1. Not everyone bitched about Day-One DLC.
2. We were right - the DLC files are on the fucking DVDs. They cut out content to sell it as DLC. There's no downloading involved.
3. Did you even play the fucking game to the end?
4. Who said we want a good ending, we want ending that makes sense, doesn't invalidate 5 years of series and doesn't involve FUCKING MAGIC. And some closure, because that's what final parts of a series do. Closure.

Imagine Return of the King, where Frodo instead of tossing Gollum with the ring attached to his finger jumped into the lava, and screen suddenly went black.

HUH? What happened to Sauron?! And Mordor?! What about the elves, and the army that was still fighting out there?! Anything?!

Guess what: BioWare have the right to do ANY ending they want. If they thought that a downer ending was the best way to end the series, then that's what they thought, and NO-ONE ELSE has ANY RIGHT to tell them to change it. No-one. Anywhere. Ever.

Except for every single person who buys their products and supplies their f***ing wages.

SOMEONE's got entitlement issues.

It's not your story. You didn't write it, you don't get the option to say "Hey this ending is stupid, DO IT OVER."

You're free to not like the ending, it's a whole other thing to demand a rewrite.

Actually, we did write the story. With out Shepard's actions, his choices and words. And last 5 minutes of the game destroy up to 90 hours of time we spent in the last 3 games.

 

[Gennadios]

You are aware one of the biggest themes of the series was how the Mass Relays/citadel network were tools used by the reapers to control technological and societal evolution down a path they chose?

Not destroying the relays makes no sense given the themes of the game, and would mean that the current races, and any future races, would still be stuck down the reapers dead end cosen path for the galaxy.

In the final minutes of the endgame before things go batshit anime, TIM has a very good train of thought detailing how the mass relays jumped humanity 10,000 years. Hell, the agenda of serberus was to subvert, not destoroy. It's not a dead end path, just a path the reapers are familiar with and able to exploit.

On a personal note, the Geth did not evolve to be overly dependent on Reaper tech. A Quarian/Geth reunification ending would have itself provided the galaxy with an influx of new technological paths without the rest of the universe having to go apeshit.

Also there is NOTHING that prevent the races from rebuilding and making thier own Mass relays and thus allowing for a game set like 1,000 years later.
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Um, did you pay attention to the part of the endgame where the fleets of all major species were stuck on Sol during the explosion? The Earth's ecosystem is fucked and it didn't look like mars was suitable for colonisation. That will make for alot of friction and a very small solar system over the next 1,000 years.

 

[random281]

Um, did you pay attention to the part of the endgame where the fleets of all major species were stuck on Sol during the explosion? The Earth's ecosystem is fucked and it didn't look like mars was suitable for colonisation. That will make for alot of friction and a very small solar system over the next 1,000 years.

You forgot that all of their engines are knocked out.

When the Normandy is hit by the blast, it's engine explodes. The Normandy has the most advanced propulsion system in the Galaxy. If it couldn't take a hit from that Shock wave, none of the other engines stand much of a chance.

A significant portion of the ships are either going to drift too far to be rescued, land on planets unsuitable for habitation, burn up on entry because they can't control decent, or meet another horrible fate.

 

[Gennadios]

Um, did you pay attention to the part of the endgame where the fleets of all major species were stuck on Sol during the explosion? The Earth's ecosystem is fucked and it didn't look like mars was suitable for colonisation. That will make for alot of friction and a very small solar system over the next 1,000 years.

You forgot that all of their engines are knocked out.

When the Normandy is hit by the blast, it's engine explodes. The Normandy has the most advanced propulsion system in the Galaxy. If it couldn't take a hit from that Shock wave, none of the other engines stand much of a chance.

A significant portion of the ships are either going to drift too far to be rescued, land on planets unsuitable for habitation, burn up on entry because they can't control decent, or meet another horrible fate.

That actually makes things... somewhat better, I guess. Just means the Human and Turian survivors planetside have to deal with a handful of sex starved male Krogan for a while. How long do those things live again? I forget.

 

[SajuukKhar]

In the final minutes of the endgame before things go batshit anime, TIM has a very good train of thought detailing how the mass relays jumped humanity 10,000 years. Hell, the agenda of serberus was to subvert, not destoroy. It's not a dead end path, just a path the reapers are familiar with and able to exploit.

On a personal note, the Geth did not evolve to be overly dependent on Reaper tech. A Quarian/Geth reunification ending would have itself provided the galaxy with an influx of new technological paths without the rest of the universe having to go apeshit.

Yes because a man who was being controlled by the reapers all along and was lied to and had his mind infused to believe what they wanted to "had good ideas".

It is a dead end path, the reapers made it so, the Asari's, and the other races in general, unwillingness to make new relays shows their dependance and their flawed civilization.

The Geth evolved on Quarrian tech, which was based on Reaper tech. they used the same mass effect core ideas as almost everyone else. They may have had different outlooks but it was all within The reapers path.

Um, did you pay attention to the part of the endgame where the fleets of all major species were stuck on Sol during the explosion? The Earth's ecosystem is fucked and it didn't look like mars was suitable for colonisation. That will make for alot of friction and a very small solar system over the next 1,000 years.

If you get a high enough fleet score Earth does pretty good despite the Reaper invasion, also as others have pointed out the mass relay's pulse would have wrecked most other ships engines and most of the people would have died in unrescueable craft.

 

[random281]

That actually makes things... somewhat better, I guess. Just means the Human and Turian survivors planetside have to deal with a handful of sex starved male Krogan for a while. How long do those things live again? I forget.

Don't forget the survivors of the ground forces.

Krogan can live up to 1000 years, so can Asari. Speaking of Asari, the two species can mate, the result is always Asari though. Also, I don't remember anything saying Krogan and Humans couldn't have sex, they just can't breed.

Food for thought. Horrible, Horrible thoughts.

 

[Gennadios]

That's not writing the story. That's choosing which parts of the story you read.

Word, but this ending is still akin to buying 3 volumes of a scifi epic, and getting to the last chapter to see that all pages have been torn out and replaced by the ending to some random science fantasy Manga.

People can be forgiven for expecting some sort of consistency. I'm just amazed that Bioware managed to keep it's shit together for so much of the game before deciding that their product didn't have enough Final Fantasy elements.

 

[Gennadios]

It is a dead end path, the reapers made it so, the Asari's, and the other races in general, unwillingness to make new relays shows their dependance and their flawed civilization.

Ok, keep in mind that I wasn't playing some existantianl/philosophical JRPG here, I'm actually in this as a straight scifi. Explain to me what exactly a "Dead end path is."

The galaxy inherits a factory of stuff they barely understand, the foremen are long dead and not really an issue. What's the worst case scenario? They spend the next few thousand years figuring out exactly how the technology they unearthed really works, and once they hit the limit of that they start improving upon it or coming up with new ways to solve problems?

That's pretty much the harsh truth of the world we live in, true innovators are few and far between. The rest of humanity just takes those ideas and technology and uses/preserves them until another visionary comes along to either improve or come up with new ideas.

 

[ZeZZZZevy]

Alright, well I understand why people are upset about the ending, and honestly I think it's the lack of closure more than anything else. Rewriting the entire ending would be a little silly, and ultimately it wouldn't actually make people feel better (in my opinion).

Personally, the ending has grown on me a little as time has gone on. The whole catalyst thing was a little weird, but not completely unreasonable. As for the choice at the end, it really invalidates less than you think. All of the choices from your previous games culminate in the final battle, and the choice at the end decides on how the cycle is broken, and letting everyone start anew.

Could I have used some closure? Yes. Does the ending still work? Yes, if a little unsatisfying.

Oh and the Fallout 3 example doesn't work. Everyone was angry because at the end of the main quest you couldn't keep playing, which the game didn't warn you of beforehand. The ending itself was fine. So it's a pretty irrelevant example.

 

[Abedeus]

Actually, we did write the story. With out Shepard's actions, his choices and words. And last 5 minutes of the game destroy up to 90 hours of time we spent in the last 3 games.

That's not writing the story. That's choosing which parts of the story you read.[/quote]

So you're always happy with the ending someone got you?

Hard to say what you enjoy or not, but just a blind guess - if Harry Potter could destroy Voldemort, but only by destroying magic and Hogwart at same time, would you still enjoy the ending? Ending that makes no sense at all and invalidates everything a character did over past few years?

Or Lord of the Rings where Frodo falls into the volcano with Gollum, they both die, Sam dies from exhaustion and everyone inside of Mordor falls into the fissure that was created when Sauron died.

So you are sitting there, thinking "...What? HUH? EVERYONE I KNEW AND CARED ABOUT IT DEAD AND IT MAKES NO SENSE WHY! BUT THEY HAD PLANS, FUTURE!".

 

[Haloperidol]

7 Mass Effect 3 topics on the first page. For the benefit of the doubt, 1 is a double post.

People want Bioware to change the ending? What kind of retarded fuckwits would want that? It's not like Watchmen wherein liberties were taken, it's something they wrote.

Seriously, some people.

I detect serious childhood problems.

Also, did you even play the game? Are you happy when a book or movie ends with a Deus Ex Machina, that makes the entire book and its events pointless, and leaves more questions open than answered, and adds a shitload of new ones?

Then I'm not sure we're the fuckwits here...

So, they'll all ***** about day-1 DLC, yet now they say they're willing to pay for DLC that adds a good ending?

I don't even know what to fucking say to that.

1. Not everyone bitched about Day-One DLC.
2. We were right - the DLC files are on the fucking DVDs. They cut out content to sell it as DLC. There's no downloading involved.
3. Did you even play the fucking game to the end?
4. Who said we want a good ending, we want ending that makes sense, doesn't invalidate 5 years of series and doesn't involve FUCKING MAGIC. And some closure, because that's what final parts of a series do. Closure.

Imagine Return of the King, where Frodo instead of tossing Gollum with the ring attached to his finger jumped into the lava, and screen suddenly went black.

HUH? What happened to Sauron?! And Mordor?! What about the elves, and the army that was still fighting out there?! Anything?!

Guess what: BioWare have the right to do ANY ending they want. If they thought that a downer ending was the best way to end the series, then that's what they thought, and NO-ONE ELSE has ANY RIGHT to tell them to change it. No-one. Anywhere. Ever.

Except for every single person who buys their products and supplies their f***ing wages.

SOMEONE's got entitlement issues.

It's not your story. You didn't write it, you don't get the option to say "Hey this ending is stupid, DO IT OVER."

You're free to not like the ending, it's a whole other thing to demand a rewrite.

Actually, we did write the story. With out Shepard's actions, his choices and words. And last 5 minutes of the game destroy up to 90 hours of time we spent in the last 3 games.

That's not writing the story. That's choosing which parts of the story you read.

'Write' isn't the suitable term here. Yes, I agree with you that BioWare indeed wrote the story, but we chose what we wanted to be made canon into the stories of each of our own Shepards. BioWare gave us the material for creating a grand sci-fi adventure, and over the span of 5 years and 3 games, each of us made our own epic journeys: some similar, some completely different. How can you not say that these stories our not ours?

 

[SajuukKhar]

Ok, keep in mind that I wasn't playing some existantianl/philosophical JRPG here, I'm actually in this as a straight scifi. Explain to me what exactly a "Dead end path is."

The galaxy inherits a factory of stuff they barely understand, the foremen are long dead and not really an issue. What's the worst case scenario? They spend the next few thousand years figuring out exactly how the technology they unearthed really works, and once they hit the limit of that they start improving upon it or coming up with new ways to solve problems?

That's pretty much the harsh truth of the world we live in, true innovators are few and far between. The rest of humanity just takes those ideas and technology and uses/preserves them until another visionary comes along to either improve or come up with new ideas.

They inherit stuff they don't fully understand, spend ages studying it trying to figure out how it works, eventually copy it, and all the while are so blinded by trying to figure what how what someone else provided for them works that they don't look at the other alternatives that could very well be better.

And once they do eventually copy it, which based off of how the Asari laugh off people who suggest it wont be any time soon because they are so complacent as is it's sickening, they will sit there stagnate because they haven't learned how to think for themselves and have ended up avoiding countless possible better options, and stay were they are becuase they belive building mass relays = god level technology.

The series already suggests that species are stagnating due to the existence of a mass relay network that they never built and never actually have to understand.