Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut is not victory.

[Jon Shannow]

I hated the ending but I really don't care that much that this isn't a victory. Its a game, I'm not going to get so wound up about it like the hordes of Retake people to spend hours complaining about it.

 

[Acton Hank]

Well from what I can tell, there a 3 types of people when it comes to the ending
-those who will only be satisfied with a happy ending
-those who want the ending redone and better executed, to fix plot holes and have their choices have a larger impact on the ending
-those who simply want some closure as the ending is rather abrupt

So I guess it is a victory for those in the third camp. I'm still suspicious as whether or not this is actually in response to the fanbase, or if that this epilogue was planned from the begging and was either cut so the game would launch on time and it would be given out as free DLC later, or that it was cut to be sold as DLC, but all the negative publicity made them decide to make it free.

Couldn't we have all 3? That's the beauty of multiple endings, If you don't like it you can pick another one.

 

[AbstractStream]

There's still a chance that Bioware will do a damn good job on this DLC. Who knows.

At this point, I'll just take what I can get (that's free). Victory or not.

 

[sms_117b]

*sighs*

Well, I guess nothing is going to please you then.

Honestly, would it have earned them any more respect if they changed the ending from where it stands? I don't think they should change it, just give a bit more explanation on the events that happened and some more insight into what happened to the characters. And from what I gather, that's exactly what this is setting out to do. If they explain everything well, I don't think they should change the ending at all. I wish the indoctrination theory was true, because it would more easily allow for further continuations of the game, but as it stands I think an explanation is the best thing that they could offer without changing the ending just because we say so.

People are going to complain no matter what, so maybe they should just ignore everyone anyway.

It's like you read my mind, this is exactly what I thought when I read the thread title.

I liked the ending, I knew it wasn't going to be a happy one, however I had absolutely no closure to the rest of the galaxy an epilogue was all I wanted and seems to be what I'm getting.

 

[LetalisK]

Deus Ex and it's diverse three endings begat Invisible War. It can be done, doesn't mean it will be good. I always thought that they would make more games in the Mass Effect universe but not directly relating to the trilogy.

Wait, you're kidding, right? Mass Effect 3's endings follow the same formula as Deus Ex. Choose Control, Integrate, or Destroy(A, B, or C), your previous choices don't matter for shit, enjoy a tiny chunk of unique cutscene that lasts less time than it takes me to piss(Bioware went the "extra mile" and padded each ending with a few more minutes of copy/paste since theirs was even shorter) and then sit back and bask in the glorious rushed bullshit you were just handed because the developer ran out of time and/or money. The only reason Deus Ex gets away with this, and continues to get away with this, is because it was sadly the best we had at the time.

My point was merely that three different endings do not prevent a "sequel" being made. Deus Ex had three "canon" endings, all three were neutered and crammed into the sequel's "canon". They could do the same to Mass Effect. (Or maybe not, I'm speculating because I haven't played ME3)

Oooooh, okay. I missed the point then. You know, considering how Bioware has shown how they can change certain aspects of the game depending on choices you made, I wonder how difficult it would be for them to change lots of minor details(ie small parts of conversations) in a sequel to support the ending you chose to explain the overarching "Reapers are gone" theme.

 

[Outcast107]

https://twitter.com/#!/JessicaMerizan/status/189050220275974144

Here read this about the weeks interview.

 

[JediMB]

Mass Effect 3 doesn't need an Extended Cut.

It needs a Renegade Version [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highlander_II:_The_Quickening#Home_video_releases].

 

[daveman247]

Good lord. This is why they never should have done anything. Do one thing and after that it is take take take. Seriously, the amount of effort you people have put into this could have been better spent solving something serious. At this point the rage is just making you all look retarded.

 

[A.I. Sigma]

Ending was shit; Shepard became the most efficient reaper known to the entire galaxy, and everyone died, with the exception of the Normandy crew (who developed teleportation powers to leave Earth, get back to the ship, and then promptly abandon you). No DLC will fix that unless they rewrite the entire ending. Which they won't do.

...*shrug* I've lost most of my love for Mass Effect 3. Not even sure if I'll bother to download the DLC, free or not.

 

[Something Amyss]

Mass Effect 3 doesn't need an Extended Cut.

It needs a Renegade Version [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highlander_II:_The_Quickening#Home_video_releases].

Highlander didn't go far enough. >.>

However, "Renegade" edition sounds cool in Mass Effect terms.

Good lord. This is why they never should have done anything. Do one thing and after that it is take take take. Seriously, the amount of effort you people have put into this could have been better spent solving something serious. At this point the rage is just making you all look retarded.

Are you seriously arguing a slippery slope?

 

[Something Amyss]

Yes it's not really helping the credibility of those campaigning against the ending when the majority of people talk about how there's not enough closure, or that the endings are too bleak. It was a literary disaster is more like it. And that hasn't been brought up nearly enough.

HAH! The captcha says: Tight lipped.

Except most people didn't complain that the eneding was bleak, they did one of the other two things, including the claim you say wasn't made enough.

It's the "you're entitled" group that makes most of the claims that people want a happier ending.

Most people want what was promised, and ending that makes sense, or closure. These are FAR more common complaints.

It's clear we're not going to see 1 and 2 here, and even 3 is kind of shaky. We'll have to wait and see if this properly closes everything up; they forgot about everything once, and I have a hard time they're going to be able to explain space magic, discontinuity, and the sudden development of transporter technology and maintain the ending (which they've stated). So I doubt any of the real claims are going to be addressed. And I know the "happy ending" strawman will not be addressed.

 

[daveman247]

Are you seriously arguing a slippery slope?

I dont see whats so slippery about it. Just my take.

At this point i just want the subject to die in a hole.

 

[Thammuz]

What did you expect? Honestly.

They would've lost their face completely if they actually knuckled under and changed the ending outright, they were never even thinking to do that.

Best we could've hoped for was a last renegade/paragon option to let the battle make its course, but everything else was, CLEARLY, going to stay.

Plotholes included.

I'm not happy with this, but then again what were they supposed to do? If they did cave, the rest of the industry's foot would've lodged itself so far up their collective ass they would've felt the heel rubbing the back of their throat. It was the only logical outcome. Honestly ,at least we will get a semi-decent ending cinematic. And i doubt anyone will seriously consider buying any DLC to further enrich the experience leading up to the shitty ending nobody likes, so the market has spoken on that.

Let's just hope Bioware employees start running and creating new companies soon, so EA will only have a meaningless brand name in their hands, for them to completely run into the ground.

And on the subject of indoctrination theory, I want to get something off my chest:

You people sound like those FF8 fans that couldn't accept that, yeah, final fantasy often makes no sense, and came up with that pipedream of an explanation about how Squall clearly dies during the assassination attempt and the rest of the plot if actually just him delirious in the moments before his death. That is retarded, and so is indoctrination theory.

"But it is consistent and it would explain the plotholes and blahblahblah!" You know what also explains all of those? Stupidity. Kerpyshyn was booted off the project, he was the only one with a shred of an idea on how to end the series, Hudson decided he was going to make his masterpiece and fuck what anyone else thought and voilà, the perfect storm of stupid. Humans are hardwired to see patterns, regardless of there actually being patterns to see.

I understand that it is more comfortable an idea, dealing with a brilliant trickster rather than an honest fool, but NOBODY woul go to those lenghts to fuck with the public, especially when they've got that big a shitstorm on their hands.

And even if it turns out that indoctrination theory is right, i will bet my ass and that of anyone who happens to be in the same room as me at the time the DLC comes out that they adopted it after you people came up with it. Which they will not do, because it's even worse than Shamalayan's shitty twist endings.

They made a shitty ending because they couldn't be arsed to do a proper one. There is no great plan. Deal with it.

 

[Shadowkire]

This whole thing says more about the fans of the series than the company that made it. We saw this occur earlier in the year when the Mass Effect book was released and there was a petition to change various lore issues that were discovered.

Contributing to fandom does not inherently provide the consumer with creative rights to a given product. This is especially true of "art forms" which, I think, most Mass Effect fans would argue the video game is aspiring towards. Consumerism simply provides the ability to consume the product.

If you don't like the product, the only recourse you have is to ask for a refund.

This basic fact is altogether missing in the hive-mind that encapsulates the Mass Effect fan base.

Or maybe the fans hadn't given up on BioWare just yet and were saying "We don't like what you gave us for the amount we spent on it, we would appreciate it if changes were made to make things better."

One thing you anti-fan whiners always miss is that if most of the fans get refund/stop buying BioWare games BW will go out of business. Then not only will we have a bad game and maybe missed out on a few good games but we would lose one of the few RPG developers in the market. The fans were trying to create a situation where everyone wins, instead of your crap solution of everyone losing.

 

[fozzy360]

Oh look, more whining about Mass Effect 3's ending.
Can't you guys just get the fuck over it already? You didn't like the ending to a game, that's unfortunate. Now move on with your lives. If trying to get the ending of a game change seriously means that much to you. You need to get your priorities straight and ***** about something that matters.

Like bitching about people bitching about Mass Effect 3. If you don't like a thread/topic, stay the hell out of it and go donate money for some starving childeren.

Stating how pathetic the fans are about the ending isn't the same as nonstop bitching about how I didn't like the enidng of a game on a forum, and demanding DLC to fix that.

So you are calling me and thousands of others pathetic for wanting to have something changed? You are such a condescending prick. Do you also go and insult other people at rallies/protests? Even though the Mass Effect movement has a few unreasonable nutters (which movement doesn't), there are plenty of legitimate grievances and protesting is the best way to air those grievances.

Again, if you don't like these kind of things, go and play Mass Effect 3, enjoy it and leave the nay-saying to the nay-sayers.

I never stated that you, specifically are pathetic. But this entire ME3 ending outrage is pathetic.

If it bothers you so much, then why keep replying? Why do you continue to find yourself in these discussions to tell people off about something they've invested themselves in? Aren't you wasting your own energies to find these threads and let your mind be heard while knowing that anything you say isn't going to matter to the people you're trying to antagonize? Telling people to move on when you refuse to move on yourself from this whole thing is so damn hypocritical. Why don't you get over it?

OT: No, this isn't a victory. At least, not by the sound of it. It seems more like a move to placate the fans than actually going back and examining why it is that the ending is so damn bad. At this point, I just don't care any more. This whole thing just rubbed me the wrong way, and now, I simply do not care about the franchise (outside of ME1) or Bioware. There's plenty of other games coming out that seem much more interesting, and I'd rather just get excited about those. I do still hope, however, that Bioware can still fix both the game and the trust they once had with the fanbase, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[DSK-]

Pretty much my response when I read the press release.

 

[Shadowkire]

Somehow the relay network can be rebuilt in some endings - whilst to rebuild it you would have to go to the locations of each Relay, which would take over 20 years to do.
Somehow the Normandy crew manages to find civilization.
Somehow nobody starves to death.
I'm just... Eh. I don't see them doing this without space magic, or without having the epilogue a significant amount of time later.

Nobody starves to death because things aren't nearly as bleak for the super fleet as people think:
Unless the Quarians lost most of their liveships(garden ships) they can feed themselves. I don't think Earth's farmland is in that bad of shape because the Reapers focused mostly on population centers. The Quarians are really really good at sustaining a large population without a planet, so they can help everyone else.

The Normandy crew doesn't have to look for civilization. The Normandy was making a relay jump and then crashed on a world that humans can live on, chances are there is a colony on that planet.

Considering most systems that had relays or need relays are inhabited nobody has to spend 20 years going anywhere. As for how they do it: remember the communication system the Alliance put into the SR2 that allowed Shepard to communicate with anyone in the galaxy in realtime? I think they can make another.