Mass Effect 3, Indoctrination theory (new and extended)

[Vault101]

[b/]*MASSIVE BIG FLAMESHEILD*[/b]

I know you guys don't want anymore Mass effect 3 threads, I know the horse no longer exists but instead has been sumoned and destroyed in every spiritual/physical way and that it is no longer a horse but a horse shaped black hole that is sucking everything in around it

but there is one reason, and that is this guy made a 90 minute "documentry" (almost) explaining an analysing indoctrination theory

and since he put in so much effort, and since it brings some new (albeit small) stuff to the table I think it deserves a look...

mabye your sold in indoctrination theory

mabye your not

mabye you don't know what it is but I'm just going to leave this here


its a long one so grab some pop-corn (I dont know about anyone but I find this stuff facinating)

 

[TheFrost]

... I love these conspiracy theories, I find them, as you said: facinating. even though I don't always belive in them.
85 minute video? challege accepted.

 

[Vault101]

... I love these conspiracy theories, I find them, as you said: facinating. even though I don't always belive in them.
85 minute video? challege accepted.

Ive seen 2 videos on indoctrination theory (te original one I think and angry joes)

this one came up with even more stuff (like those piles or corpses...seriosuly I didnt see that before)

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I mean really. Is it not sad enough that the ending of ME3 was bad? Must we pull conspiracy theories out of our collective asses so we may delude ourselves that it was something brooding and deep?

There was originally a plan to have a sequence near the end where Shepard has to fight off indoctrination. It's quite possible...probable, even...that a lot of the auditory and visual clues pointing towards indoctrination are actually exactly that...only the sequence in question was cut due to a determination by the developers that they couldn't get the game play right.

There were notes about it in that "The Final Hours" DLC thingamajig. People are just seeing hints and pointers towards a plot twist that got dropped at the 11th hour.

I think it's pretty evident given the tone of discussion around the ending since the backlash that the full blown indoctrination theory is pretty much dead in the water.

 

[NinjaDeathSlap]

I admire the indoctrination theory. In its evolution it's become very detailed and well thought out (which is almost unheard of from internet conspiracy theories). However, I don't think I can ever 'believe' it no matter how much evidence is brought forth for the simple reason that no-one, and I mean no-one at EA would be willing to take the risk of releasing a game (especially one as high profile as ME3) with a deliberately disappointing and confusing ending, just so they could surprise people later with the 'real' ending. They would never be ok with that, and judging by the fan backlash from the current ending, they'd probably be right.

I'm fine with believing that the current ending was supposed to be a lot longer and more detailed, but got cut down to the point where it was barely coherent due to time and money constraints. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one, and all that.

 

[RJ 17]

First, I'd like to point out that there's nothing new about the Indoctrination theory. Everything you need to know from this 85 minute video can essentially be found in the 20 minute video that came out weeks ago.

I mean really. Is it not sad enough that the ending of ME3 was bad? Must we pull conspiracy theories out of our collective asses so we may delude ourselves that it was something brooding and deep?

There was originally a plan to have a sequence near the end where Shepard has to fight off indoctrination. It's quite possible...probable, even...that a lot of the auditory and visual clues pointing towards indoctrination are actually exactly that...only the sequence in question was cut due to a determination by the developers that they couldn't get the game play right.

There were notes about it in that "The Final Hours" DLC thingamajig. People are just seeing hints and pointers towards a plot twist that got dropped at the 11th hour.

I think it's pretty evident given the tone of discussion around the ending since the backlash that the full blown indoctrination theory is pretty much dead in the water.

In short, everything about the ending can be summed up with knowledge we already had: "Casey Hudson is a fucking slap-dick who just utterly screwed the pooch and butchered the ending like no ending has been butchered before."

 

[distortedreality]

Cue thread covering the same stuff already covered ages ago.

Pretty sure the bloke who made the video should really just let it go.

 

[DarkhoIlow]

I watched it and I still fully support indoctrination theory.

I'm not looking forward to the extended dlc to be perfectly honest,but it will be funny to see how they will dig their hole deeper with the explanations regarding the presumably unchanged ending.

 

[Cryo84R]

If you need a video longer than the ending itself to explain the ending, you have failed.

 

[boag]

Cue thread covering the same stuff already covered ages ago.

Pretty sure the bloke who made the video should really just let it go.

he wont let it go as long as he keeps getting views in the millions, which means people arent ready to let it go either.

 

[distortedreality]

Cue thread covering the same stuff already covered ages ago.

Pretty sure the bloke who made the video should really just let it go.

he wont let it go as long as he keeps getting views in the millions, which means people arent ready to let it go either.

Hopefully when D3 drops, people will have something new to rage about.

Really sad when it comes to hoping another big game causes rage just to stop the endless threads about the last big game.

 

[Ryanrulez5]

loads of strong evidence bioware have their work cut out for them i just really hope it isnt long cutscenes and i now defenitley support the indocturnation theroy

 

[Vault101]

Bull fucking shit. The indoctrination theory is just mental gymnastics in a vain attempt to see something that isn't there.
7. The bodies are there because the game itself explained they beamed the bodies up into the citadel. Not only that, but repeat models in piles are a common way to save time in development. Don't believe me? Look at the MANY piles of bodies in Left 4 dead 1 & 2. If valve cant make everything unique, then Bioware cant. You won't even notice it anyway.

Know what? I am going to stop right here. Its just fallacy after fallacy.

I mean really. Is it not sad enough that the ending of ME3 was bad? Must we pull conspiracy theories out of our collective asses so we may delude ourselves that it was something brooding and deep?

Must we be in denial?

Bioware dropped the literary ball on its series's defining moment. That's all there is to it. Now can we please move on?

I foudn the bodies thign creepy..they werent there before..and when have we seen pheonix armour post ME1? (the reapeat models is no surprised given its a agme) but those bodies definetly seem out of place (last night the whole thign actually creeped me out)

the ONLY thing that makes me unsure about "IT" is that it would jsut be a little to brilliant to be true...even then your coutner argument isnt anymore convincing than arguments for "IT"

I understand people are sick of talking about ME3, but true ot not I find this stuff absolutly facinating

Cue thread covering the same stuff already covered ages ago.

Pretty sure the bloke who made the video should really just let it go.

he wont let it go as long as he keeps getting views in the millions, which means people arent ready to let it go either.

Cue thread covering the same stuff already covered ages ago.

Pretty sure the bloke who made the video should really just let it go.

its not about "letting go" I'm not spending my time sitting in my room being angry and crying over the nding..no I've moved on like most people have

but becuase Im "fan" I love this kind of stuff...this is better than jsut analyzing charachters and themes

to put it another way, this shit is actually FUN

 

[Vault101]

double post sorry

 

[Knight Templar]

So is this video trying to show that indoctrination is true?
Because we already know from comments by the devs that it is not (how can you plan something like this if you don't know that the ending will even be, it's not possible) and the last video on it wasn't convincing. A big point was Object Rho knocking Shep out, but Shep might not even do Arrival, stuff like that.

EDIT:

or everyone being a blood mage in Dragon Age II.

There was a reason for that, 2 reasons really.

Spoiler

First: Kirkwall's streets are built in the shape of several giant magic runes related to blood magic and demons.
Second: A thousand year old Awakened Darkspawn, made into such a twisted creature by the wrath of a god for invading heaven itself, a creature that can drive mages mad simply by existing is caged near Kirkwall and the wards wax and wane over the years.

 

[Vault101]

Its simple, the bodies are not there because you would not notice it and to save the draw on the computer. The phoenix armor itself is easy to explain, the militia members scavenged old armor. They were fighting for weeks after all.

Secondly, the theory doesn't hold water. Why would everything after the laser be a dream? They would just kill him and be done with it. Third, Shepard was known to have the willpower of Marneus Calgar otherwise he wopuld not have survived the prothean beacon.

The indoctrination theory is impossible, because indoctrination would have already happened by now after years of interacting with reaper tech. Reapers indoctrinated someone not in their presence is bad writing, no different from everyone suddenly being a cylon in battlestar galactica or everyone being a blood mage in Dragon Age II.

who says shepard is imune indoctrination?...he/she is just a tough nut to crack, but still human, and he/she is tough enough to overcome it..thats the whole point here

shepard is a very nice prize for the reapers it wouldn't surprise me they would focus on him/her, I dont know how much "contact" is needed though

now hyperbole aside there are things that go beyond plot holes, there are things that are insanley retatrded and nonsensical (how does shepard "survive" at the end of destruction?) there is a chance that is could be THAT much of a cut-down mess since they had to change things...I find even that hard to belive but its definetly a probability

oh the other hand "IT" seems to fit its uncanny