Mass Effect 3: Retake This

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Cephei Mordred said:
Since that punchline involves Penny actually reappearing, I will have to decline. :p
Nonsense. You are just dismissing our claims because you can't argue against them. You obviously just aren't a big enough fan of Critical Miss to understand how we feel. I spent hundreds of seconds reading that comic and posting about it here. I am entitled to a better joke. I'm sure real journalists will support me by making statements about things that are completely outside their fields.

Brb. Bumming for cupcake money.
 

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RJ 17 said:
When you pay for a movie and don't like the ending, you don't demand that the ending be rewritten. You write up a critique and say "Well the movie was good but the ending sucked."

When you pay for a book and don't like the ending, you don't demand that the ending be rewritten. You write up a critique and say "Well the book was good but the ending sucked."
While those arguements are certianly valid enough, and apply themselves to the vast majority of games, I think a large ammount of the reason for the ending backlash, and why they don't quite apply here is what made the ME series unique in the first place - the ability to import your choices from a previous game into the sequels and see how they effected the game. The result being a situation where you could have three different fans playing three different and entirely unique versions of Shepard, and given that ammount of choice and creative freedom it's kinda hard not to think that the story is partly yours.

And thats where the 'if you watched a film/read a book you didn't like the ending of you don't demand the ending be re-written' kinda falls apart, because outside of maybe a choose-your-own adventure book (and I'm not even sure if those really count since there's generally only one or a small handful of 'correct' paths to follow) there's no way that you, the viewer/reader has any influence over what happens. Your interaction with the media in question is completely passive - you observe someone else's work. It may evoke emotions in you, it may resonate with you, it may bore you to tears, but you have no way of shaping the narrative. Even the average video game follows this. You may have a bit more control over bits of it, but the narrative is generally fixed (via cut scenes, dialogue, etc) with very little freedom of choice.

The closest thing I can think of to how a film would work like that would be like the special feature they included on the DVD release of 'Final Destination 3', where you had the option of trying to 'defy fate' each time a death scene turned up and if you pulled it off you got an alternative scene. Ultimately this just ended up making most of the death scenes shorter, save for one bit where one of the characters actually survived, only to be shown getting arrsted for something later in the film. It was pretty crap to be honest, and its only a DVD feature, but its the closest I can think of as to how an audience can actually make choices that would affect a film's narrative.

People crap on George Lucas for the Star Wars prequels and his obsessive tinkering with the original trilogy. We all know the depths of Star Wars fanboy obsessive rage (I'm guilty of it myself at times).

Now imagine what that would be like if we'd gone through the prequel trilogy being able to choose if, say Qui-Gonn gambled with Watto for Anakin's freedom and the parts he needed, or if he'd just threatened him with the business end of a lightsabre and intimidated him into giving them away, or if, say Anakin went on his bloody spree of vengeance in the Sand People camp after his mother's death, or if he swallowed his hate and tried to be a good Jedi, or whatever. And then at the end of the film Lucas went 'no, you're not allowed to make choices anymore', introduced Darth Sidious' (and Maul's & Tyranus') unrevealled hidden master who pulled some bullshit explanation for the plot out of his arse, made Obi-Wan and Anakin fight 'because I say so', and then ended the whole thing with an advert for Star Wars merch.

The fan explosion from that'd make the retake movement look like a toddler's temper tantrum
 

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Teresa Lass said:
Bigeyez said:
Teresa Lass said:
trollpwner said:
Teresa Lass said:
Sigh
Let me put it in other words: when your laughed at is difficult to laugh at the joke.
Yeah, but the joke in this is squarely aimed at the people who deliberately stir up trouble to gain money... I'm not sure what it means if you consider yourself to be the 'victim' of the joke.
Well its aimed for moking the retake movement, in one way or another. So i guess as part of the movement i cant laugh at the joke.
While i dont consider myself victimized, in all and all its just a couple of ppl making a joke of already old news.

Again tho, cant laugh.
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So you didn't get it at all then. They AREN'T making fun of the retake movement in this comic.

Okkkkk
before we continue this, click on the comic page --previous-- and read it.
Still thinking they are not making fun of the movement?
That older strip: yes, it is making fun of the movement.

This current strip? No. Not even close. It maybe using the "current affairs" of ME3, but it is not even close to making fun of the movement.


For a comic strip which has so many sudden topic-switching single-use-strips and very, very few arcs (Steam, the accident, etc), you sure like to connect them all together.
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Or are you still believing that every single Critical Miss we've read so far is about crumpets? You know, since the first one mentioned crumpets...
 

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chiefohara said:
Woodsey said:
chiefohara said:
Primary school level trolling trying to pass itself off as clever 'satire'

Poor form critical miss.
Being clever is somewhat relative to others, so considering the number of people who didn't get it, kicked off, and then made themselves the arse-end of the joke (the actual final panel is the comments section), I'd say it's very clever.

Let this be clear to people who still don't get it: you are not the butt of the joke if you supported the Retake Mass Effect thing. You are the pay-off for the joke if you threw up a *****-fit in this comments section about how the strip is insulting you for supporting Retake Mass Effect, and began claiming that this strip was yet another example of game sites taking sides with BioWare.
To be honest, i find that a stretch, but fair enough. If thats how you read it, then thats how you read it. I personally just saw it as a convenient way to generate web traffic for the sake of generating web traffic with a fairly weak get out clause/justification for its existence. We get enough trolling in the day to day forums of most websites, i don't need to see it encouraged on the featured content of the escapist.
Its a double whammy actually, now that I think about it:

a) It generates traffic for the Escapist primarily by hooking onto the trolling that has been going on with ME3, the retake movement, etc. What's not to love about yet another online gaming site calling all of us ME3 playing folk entitled babies???

b) At the same time, it lampoons everything about point (a) and everybody involved in "gaming journalism", showing us how low some editors can go just for traffic-generating content... including this very site.

Including this very comic strip, just one issue earlier.

* am chucking more now thanks to fridge-logic, and is applauding Grey Carter for a job well done *
 

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Its a double whammy actually, now that I think about it:

a) It generates traffic for the Escapist primarily by hooking onto the trolling that has been going on with ME3, the retake movement, etc. What's not to love about yet another online gaming site calling all of us ME3 playing folk entitled babies???

b) At the same time, it lampoons everything about point (a) and everybody involved in "gaming journalism", showing us how low some editors can go just for traffic-generating content... including this very site.

Including this very comic strip, just one issue earlier.

* am chucking more now thanks to fridge-logic, and is applauding Grey Carter for a job well done *
Really? My other strips are fine but the last one was "low?" It's funny how the movement's sense of humour seems to evaporate when they're the butt of the joke.
 

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Awesome strip grey, im so glad i never got into mass effect so all of this stuff about the ending can just be a fun experience from me.

Oh all the people who indeed did get mad you got trolled.hard.
 

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Grey Carter said:
noobartist1 said:
Its a double whammy actually, now that I think about it:

a) It generates traffic for the Escapist primarily by hooking onto the trolling that has been going on with ME3, the retake movement, etc. What's not to love about yet another online gaming site calling all of us ME3 playing folk entitled babies???

b) At the same time, it lampoons everything about point (a) and everybody involved in "gaming journalism", showing us how low some editors can go just for traffic-generating content... including this very site.

Including this very comic strip, just one issue earlier.

* am chucking more now thanks to fridge-logic, and is applauding Grey Carter for a job well done *
Really? My other strips are fine but the last one was "low?" It's funny how the movement's sense of humour seems to evaporate when they're the butt of the joke.
As if ANYONE is any different? Few people LIKE being the butt of someones joke. I personally, have became calaus to it over the years. I've been the butt of a great MANY jokes in my lifetime. Being extreamly clumsy, AND a geek too the 3rd power (comic, videogames, sci fi/fantasy) brings with it alot of ribbing. *shrug*

I'm not sure what your were going for with the comic strip. I don't know if you have a deeper meaning behind it or not. In my mind, if your joke is too complacated and you need to explain it or have it explained, it failed. So, yeah. nice pretty picutres at least i guess. *shrug*
 

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If the Escapist store isn't selling "I'm really Mad" t-shirts by Monday, I say we send Grey all the bacon and eggs [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DleceyAO34M] in the world in protest. Retake breakfast! Hold the fork!
 

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chiefohara said:
That's why im calling poor form. Its obvious that their motivation in this is not to make a point, but to score easy web traffic and ratings by being controversial and crude.

I appreciate wit, but this strip is just attention seeking.
Maybe, they got jealous of Jim's "success".
 

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Grey Carter said:
Really? My other strips are fine but the last one was "low?" It's funny how the movement's sense of humour seems to evaporate when they're the butt of the joke.
That was not a joke, just an insult. Myself, I am not part of any movement. I have not even played ME3.
 

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I didn't say it had to be deep and meaningful. I said that there weren't any particularly good face meanings, so unless there was a deep meaning that I didn't see, it was just meaningless.

They made marketing statements that lead me to believe that the comic would be deep and meaningful. We were deceived.

Retake Critical Miss. Demand a better punchline.
Hehehehehe! Heh heh! Good joke. IT was a joke, right? Right? Right??

[sub]Please god, let it be a joke[/sub]
The fact that you couldn't just tell by the content of my post, nevermind the content of the subsequent one in which I claim to be bumming for "cupcake money," disturbs me.
 

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Woodsey said:
chiefohara said:
Woodsey said:
chiefohara said:
Primary school level trolling trying to pass itself off as clever 'satire'

Poor form critical miss.
Being clever is somewhat relative to others, so considering the number of people who didn't get it, kicked off, and then made themselves the arse-end of the joke (the actual final panel is the comments section), I'd say it's very clever.

Let this be clear to people who still don't get it: you are not the butt of the joke if you supported the Retake Mass Effect thing. You are the pay-off for the joke if you threw up a *****-fit in this comments section about how the strip is insulting you for supporting Retake Mass Effect, and began claiming that this strip was yet another example of game sites taking sides with BioWare.
To be honest, i find that a stretch, but fair enough. If thats how you read it, then thats how you read it. I personally just saw it as a convenient way to generate web traffic for the sake of generating web traffic. We get enough trolling in the day to day forums of most websites, i don't need to see it encouraged on the featured content of the escapist.
"I personally just saw it as a convenient way to generate web traffic for the sake of generating web traffic."

Well yeah, that is the joke. If no one had commented then it wouldn't have worked. The strip shows a couple of writers coming up with the most blatantly provocative headline they can so to get as many hits as possible, and the point of the strip is to show how fucking well it works.
It works in the short term, but its corrosive to your product in the long term. I hate tabloid hack journalism that vindicates itself by saying 'Nyah Nyah Nyah made you look!!" The more Critical miss stoops to that for instant traffic hits the sooner it will reach the end of its shelf life.

I never had any major love or animosity for critical miss, but this latest club-handed effort has dropped it down a notch in my estimation. I've seen the point its making umpteen times, and i've seen it made better. They are trolling with a 'get out of jail free card' here because if you retort it "Proves" their point. This is kindergarden stuff Woodsey, Critical miss should be better than this.
 

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Cephei Mordred said:
chiefohara said:
Cephei Mordred said:
chiefohara said:
Primary school level trolling trying to pass itself off as clever 'satire'

Poor form critical miss.
They got over 250 comments, plus whatever they got on facebook.

I say they succeeded.
That's why im calling poor form. Its obvious that their motivation in this is not to make a point, but to score easy web traffic and ratings by being controversial and crude.

I appreciate wit, but this strip is just attention seeking.
The attention, which you have just given them?

My point stands.
I outlined this already in my post to woodsey, but yeah, they got my attention this week. Chances are they won't get it next week however, or the week after or the week after that, and im probably not the only one who is tempted to stop reading if they continue with this type of strip.

So who's the one ultimately losing out here Cephei?

If you use crude attention grabbing methods for short term attention, you'll lose out in the long term, both in quality and reputation.
 

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This is how the world ends, not with a bang, but with the cry of an angry fanboy...
 

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boy I sure am glad we did this, all this arguing and crummy feelings on both sides of the divide sure was worth the joke yes sir. Reinforced derision for a wide group of people, tweaked noses at being the butt of a joke.

Hey! Maybe we can do a joke making fun of Furries or Otaku or something and be REALLY cool, that's what you do to be cool on the internet right?