Mass Effect 3 villain

[Tony2077]

reapers and that guy that you kind of worked with in me2 but then told to go to that place. I'm just wondering what the beginning of me3 will be like if you saved the council and became a specter again

 

[Hader]

I would be so happy if Saren made a comeback.

I don't care if it makes no sense after killing him twice and all, I loved Saren, I'll take him back even if it makes absolutely no sense <3

 

[Thespian]

I would be so happy if Saren made a comeback.

I don't care if it makes no sense after killing him twice and all, I loved Saren, I'll take him back even if it makes absolutely no sense <3

Agreed. Once ME3 is out we need some prequel shit with Saren.

It's most certainly not obscure.
Thespian need's to hand in his Nerd Card.
Not catching a Monty Python reference, for shame....

Geez I did get it, edited the original post =/ I believe my nerd card remains valid. Besides, I don't even like Monty Python that much. Think it's somewhat over-rated. Still enjoyable, but, you know.

 

[Ascarus]

I'm steadfastly hoping that Cerberus will only be a major antagonist if you didn't side with them. As someone who did side with TIM, I will be fairly disappointed if it gets shoehorned in that you have to come to fighting them.

you ought to be prepared for this regardless of your choice based on that short preview that was here yesterday. it basically said not only will you being trying to stop the reapers, but you will also have to deal with cerberus agents after some sort of perceived (maybe real) betrayal to the illusive man or the organization.

 

[KalosCast]

I would be so happy if Saren made a comeback.

I don't care if it makes no sense after killing him twice and all, I loved Saren, I'll take him back even if it makes absolutely no sense <3

Saren was a perfect example of exactly how you should implement your villain. He had a personal hand in just about everything that was going on, and you ran into him (or just missed him) several times throughout the plot, giving a sense of urgency and weight to the whole thing. Plus he managed to be tragic (believing his sacrifice would make the Reapers spare organic life) while still being a murderous asshole who hated humans and didn't care about the consequences of his actions long before meeting Sovereign.

Strangely, this was completely lost in every game they made since. Harbinger was a dismbodied voice, Meredith was barely around until the end of DA2, the Archdemon apparently just hated Lothering and was otherwise ready to sit around and do nothing until you could oppose him.

BIOWARE. LEARN FROM YOURSELF.

 

[Android2137]

I'm hoping Cerberus ISN'T! No matter what you did at the end of ME2 or what you do at the beginning of ME 3, the Illusive Man has no good reason to want you dead! He's already poured massive resources into you and your team. You've already done the impossible, even if you didn't let him have that shiny present he wanted. He outright states that you are an essential figure for humanity. (Well actually, Miranda says that, but I'm sure he agreed.)

You and he may not agree upon methods, but you both ultimately want the same thing and he knows it!

There's only three options I will accept:
1) He's indoctrinated (won't like it though. I'll see it as a cop out.)
2) He just wants to implant that control chip Miranda suggested way back when.
3) YOU'RE indoctrinated! Or he thinks you are. (...Actually that reason might be pretty cool...)

 

[Tony2077]

I'm hoping Cerberus ISN'T! No matter what you did at the end of ME2 or what you do at the beginning of ME 3, the Illusive Man has no good reason to want you dead! He's already poured massive resources into you and your team. You've already done the impossible, even if you didn't let him have that shiny present he wanted. He outright states that you are an essential figure for humanity. (Well actually, Miranda says that, but I'm sure he agreed.)

You and he may not agree upon methods, but you both ultimately want the same thing and he knows it!

There's only three options I will accept:
1) He's indoctrinated (won't like it though. I'll see it as a cop out.)
2) He just wants to implant that control chip Miranda suggested way back when.
3) YOU'RE indoctrinated! Or he thinks you are. (...Actually that reason might be pretty cool...)

i have a 4th for you the guys a dick end of story

 

[Android2137]

I'm hoping Cerberus ISN'T! No matter what you did at the end of ME2 or what you do at the beginning of ME 3, the Illusive Man has no good reason to want you dead! He's already poured massive resources into you and your team. You've already done the impossible, even if you didn't let him have that shiny present he wanted. He outright states that you are an essential figure for humanity. (Well actually, Miranda says that, but I'm sure he agreed.)

You and he may not agree upon methods, but you both ultimately want the same thing and he knows it!

There's only three options I will accept:
1) He's indoctrinated (won't like it though. I'll see it as a cop out.)
2) He just wants to implant that control chip Miranda suggested way back when.
3) YOU'RE indoctrinated! Or he thinks you are. (...Actually that reason might be pretty cool...)

i have a 4th for you the guys a dick end of story

If that is the reason, that would piss me off so much and make me mourn the death of good story in Mass Effect. The Illusive Man is a successful head of a controversial organization. He doesn't strike me as the type of man to kill a valuable, though disagreeable ally, just because he feels like it.

 

[dystopiaINC]

I want an army of reapers and reaper foot soldiers barrelling towards an army of rachni/Krogan/Geth with Shepard and his team leading the charge on some desolate planet

you forgot to mention an army of turians, quarians, humans, and asari too. maybe even some drell and elcore.

That being said, it's already been confirmed that Mass Effect 3 will likely take place on a Quarian Moon (if not their home world). I would assume (from all the foreshadowing) that you will have the choice of helping Tali (who could very well be on the Admiralty Board in ME3) and her people kill the Geth or, finding out through Legion that the true Geth feel their habitation of the former Quarian home world is justified leading to Shepard either helping the (brainwashed or, true or, whatever) Geth maintain the world or, helping the Quarians retake the world.

Granted that would still only be a quest-specific enemy, not a main antagonist.

i think you might even have an option for peace, i got the feeling from legion that the quarian an geth might be able to get along if the quarians can accept sharing their world with them. it was after the the quarians who attacked the get first, and kept hostilities alive. i would love it if i could get them to stop fighting and all. wouldn't that be cool?

 

[AMAZED]

after the battle with the reapers is finished I would love to see Cerberus attack the other races and make some kind of anti alien speech about how they will never be equal to humans and have a choice wether you help or destroy him, of done right that could be a very cool moment

 

[Thespian]

I'm hoping Cerberus ISN'T! No matter what you did at the end of ME2 or what you do at the beginning of ME 3, the Illusive Man has no good reason to want you dead! He's already poured massive resources into you and your team. You've already done the impossible, even if you didn't let him have that shiny present he wanted. He outright states that you are an essential figure for humanity. (Well actually, Miranda says that, but I'm sure he agreed.)

You and he may not agree upon methods, but you both ultimately want the same thing and he knows it!

There's only three options I will accept:
1) He's indoctrinated (won't like it though. I'll see it as a cop out.)
2) He just wants to implant that control chip Miranda suggested way back when.
3) YOU'RE indoctrinated! Or he thinks you are. (...Actually that reason might be pretty cool...)

Agreed, it sounds pretty ridiculous. Imagine being one of his goons.

"Hey guys, we're pouring millions of credits into resurrecting one man. Yeah it's pretty much the most expensive project ever, but it's okay because we're just an illegal organization spending copious amounts of money and recruiting some of the most talented scientists from Earth. No one will notice. Anywho, it's one guy, but I'm fairly sure he'll be more useful than funding an entire army. See ya."

***

"Hey guys, me again. Yeah, we need to kill that guy we spent so much money on. I dunno, I mean, he's still trying to accomplish the same thing as us, and he's incredibly valuable, and he has a ship full of our best agents including my right hand woman so he knows a lot about us, not to mention he's got our top of the range AI and we sacrificed a whole station full of employees for him, but like, he kinda rubbed the wrong way back at the collector base. You know, where against all odds he destroyed the single most deadly threat in the galaxy with a small rag-tag team. I'm sure we can take him, though."

 

[Tony2077]

I'm hoping Cerberus ISN'T! No matter what you did at the end of ME2 or what you do at the beginning of ME 3, the Illusive Man has no good reason to want you dead! He's already poured massive resources into you and your team. You've already done the impossible, even if you didn't let him have that shiny present he wanted. He outright states that you are an essential figure for humanity. (Well actually, Miranda says that, but I'm sure he agreed.)

You and he may not agree upon methods, but you both ultimately want the same thing and he knows it!

There's only three options I will accept:
1) He's indoctrinated (won't like it though. I'll see it as a cop out.)
2) He just wants to implant that control chip Miranda suggested way back when.
3) YOU'RE indoctrinated! Or he thinks you are. (...Actually that reason might be pretty cool...)

i have a 4th for you the guys a dick end of story

If that is the reason, that would piss me off so much and make me mourn the death of good story in Mass Effect. The Illusive Man is a successful head of a controversial organization. He doesn't strike me as the type of man to kill a valuable, though disagreeable ally, just because he feels like it.

works for me i just want to kill him damn bionic eyed bastard

 

[RatRace123]

I'm in complete agreement, the game needs an antagonist, that's one of ME2's key failings in my opinion. I loved Saren in that role, dogging Shepard at every turn, putting a personal spin on the whole thing. A villain with a face always makes this type of story better.
From the looks of it, TIM will serve that role. We'll see if he's as good as Saren in it.

We'll also see if he actually has a good reason, his methods were brutal and sometimes downright evil, but attacking Shepard and Co. with the Reapers on the galaxy's doorstep seems like a dumb move. Indoctrination seems like a decent method, it was shown several times that no matter how many precautions people take, it seems to get them eventually. That would only work if the base was spared. Even if Shepard told him to go to hell in the paragon ending, it doesn't give him enough of a reason to just attack.

 

[sheah1]

Thank God I didn't give the bastard the alien tech then.

 

[Xaositect]

For all the people mentioning the reapers, they arent the villain, they are the overall threat.

That was ME2s problem. It had a threat, not a villain. A villain puts an interesting face on the threat (i.e. Saren).

I get the feeling The Illsuive Man and Cerberus are in deep with the reapers. Not necessarily allies, but they maybe got too involved in the whole "use reaper tech against them" and have their own (wrong) ideas about how to stop the Reapers and serve as the main villains, even if they arent working directly for the reapers.

Maybe some kind of "our own worst enemy" crap or something?

Whatever it is, Im hoping its really good. With how utterly shit ME2 was on practically every major story front, I think to make it the narrative waste of time that ME2 was worthwhile is to see everything good about the remainder of the trilogys storyline saved for ME3.

I hope its the longest game of the three by far. If you cant pull out all the stops and make the final act substantially larger and longer, what kind of developer are you?

And again, since ME2 was a long list of box filled shooting galleries (and a few shopping malls serving as cheap, shitty hubs) Im hoping the best of MEs galaxy has been saved for ME3. I wanna go to the asari homeworld with Liara, I wanna see the Salarian homeworld (which I do believe we are doing if Ive heard right - but not just as some war torn shooter combat course).

 

[MahMahnator2992]

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I think the most logical reason why Cerberus would be after Shepard would be the events of Arrival. Human-Batarian relations were already about to boil over, and then Shepard (one of the highest-profile humans in the galaxy), causes the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent Batarian civilians. The inevitable full-scale war between humans and Batarians as a result of this could be catastrophic for the human population in the galaxy, and seeing as Cerberus is still above all an organization dedicated to the advancement of humans throughout the galaxy, TIM is most likely just trying to cover humanity's collective ass. If Cerberus cooperates with the Batarians and brings Shepard to them for trial/execution/tarring & feathering/etc. then TIM might just save humanity from at least one potent threat. I don't think TIM even remotely wants to hunt down Shepard, but Shepard forced TIM's hand.

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[Zaik]

I would be so happy if Saren made a comeback.

I don't care if it makes no sense after killing him twice and all, I loved Saren, I'll take him back even if it makes absolutely no sense <3

Saren was a perfect example of exactly how you should implement your villain. He had a personal hand in just about everything that was going on, and you ran into him (or just missed him) several times throughout the plot, giving a sense of urgency and weight to the whole thing. Plus he managed to be tragic (believing his sacrifice would make the Reapers spare organic life) while still being a murderous asshole who hated humans and didn't care about the consequences of his actions long before meeting Sovereign.

Strangely, this was completely lost in every game they made since. Harbinger was a dismbodied voice, Meredith was barely around until the end of DA2, the Archdemon apparently just hated Lothering and was otherwise ready to sit around and do nothing until you could oppose him.

BIOWARE. LEARN FROM YOURSELF.

I can't speak for the other two, but the Archdemon was actually properly explained. It was waiting for enough darkspawn to surface to attack(which is why you see it in the Deep Roads), pretty much while you were gathering your own army. Also Loghain's army was still fighting them, but it wasn't going incredibly well without the support of the other nobles(who all have armies of their own), which was the entire point of the Landsmeet. Heck, some of the nobles' armies were outright attacking his.

Yeah, you have to read into it a bit to get it, but there's nothing really wrong with that.

 

[KalosCast]

I can't speak for the other two, but the Archdemon was actually properly explained. It was waiting for enough darkspawn to surface to attack(which is why you see it in the Deep Roads), pretty much while you were gathering your own army. Also Loghain's army was still fighting them, but it wasn't going incredibly well without the support of the other nobles(who all have armies of their own), which was the entire point of the Landsmeet. Heck, some of the nobles' armies were outright attacking his.

Yeah, you have to read into it a bit to get it, but there's nothing really wrong with that.

I've played through the game multiple times and found no reference to Loghain or any other Noble's armies fighting anybody other than humans.

 

[AlexLoxate]

Mass Effect doesn't need an antagonist in the classical one figure villain form. Saren can't be considered as such because he was basically a tool for the Reapers. The fact that he was a specter made him a convenient choice.

In ME3 I'd like to see the conclusion to the fight against the Reapers, so while a classical villain would be good as a side character like the Illusive Man, it would not be a good idea to have a one figure main villain. The writers have proven to know better than that.

 

[Avalanche91]

there, I beat ME2, now to start thinking.

Honestly, I'm gonna say its all in TIM's masterplan. Hunting shepard, and forcing him to perform actions A, B and C for the overal benefit of mankind.
He will also take Miranda and/or Jacob hostage to force Shepard into a very dangerous/immoral action.

The overal villain will be a Hanar. No one saw it comming. Bricks were shat.