Mass Effect 3 will be incomplete

[SajuukKhar]

Now I'm just saying, it seems a lot of people in this thread look more like they want reasons to be angry at Bioware, rather than seeing something that genuinely makes them rage. Indignant anger is a pretty fun emotion, or I know it is for me. Why don't we actually wait to see how the Prothean plays and how important his story is before lynching The Man?

Oh yes. So our anger is not valid it's "indignant". If you do not see the problem with hacking off essential characters in the game. I have no more words for you.

The thing is he isn't essential, and he is still in the game regardless.

 

[Tony2077]

Now I'm just saying, it seems a lot of people in this thread look more like they want reasons to be angry at Bioware, rather than seeing something that genuinely makes them rage. Indignant anger is a pretty fun emotion, or I know it is for me. Why don't we actually wait to see how the Prothean plays and how important his story is before lynching The Man?

Oh yes. So our anger is not valid it's "indignant". If you do not see the problem with hacking off essential characters in the game. I have no more words for you.

it may be essential but all the dlc does is add them as a selectable squad member or it may be a complete different one then from the leaked script which i never read since i don't want to spoil the whole game

 

[SajuukKhar]

Now I'm just saying, it seems a lot of people in this thread look more like they want reasons to be angry at Bioware, rather than seeing something that genuinely makes them rage. Indignant anger is a pretty fun emotion, or I know it is for me. Why don't we actually wait to see how the Prothean plays and how important his story is before lynching The Man?

Oh yes. So our anger is not valid it's "indignant". If you do not see the problem with hacking off essential characters in the game. I have no more words for you.

The thing is he isn't essential, and he is still in the game regardless.

So its not a essential but he has to be in the game anyways? Me thinks its not like Zaeed or kasumi at-fucking all.

Let me be more clear, he is not essential to te plot in that he needs to be recruitable to get all the information he would give out of him.

 

[anthony87]

Um you put in an extra word there. Or are you also of the impression that all the extra characters in ME2 are also essential because

No. Just ones highly related to the lore. you know the protheans were the entire reason the series began. You know that right? this is like saying you can have mass effect 3 without shepard. or without Asari's are turians. Perhaps it is possible, but all of this come together to build the universe. a Prothean squadmate fills in many gaps in the lore.

I played through without any of them and it didn't change how much I liked the game or how much I got out of the game either. New weapon isn't too hard to do. Eden Prime they pretty much have all concept art and some coding from the first game. As for making the extra squad mate a Protheon. They have concept art from them from BOTH games. So yeah I believe that you can put out a new squad mate an area and weapon in three weeks.
Also the squad mate isn't mentioned in the leaks exactly. They say that you will get a new squad mate weapon and area they however DO NOT say who/what that squad mate is. Also note how this is a bonus for the COLLECTORS edition. Usually things that are included as bonuses don't mean much to the rest of the game and are pretty useless besides aesthetic reasons or to throw a few more lines of lore in there. From the first game you know the fate of the entire Protheon Civilization. In ME2 you learn what the Reapers do to the Protheons. What exactly can the Protheon Squad mate add to the Protheon knowledge that hasn't already been addressed in the previous too games? Is he going to be like Skarner who always says "I miss my kind." and generally be a complete emo?

Okay, I don't care for this post. make a point don't just go blah blah blah.

That IS my point. We already KNOW about the Protheons. Having on in your crew will not add anything. You know how they lived from the first one IE Vigil if you actually talk to him and the codex. Then in 2 you know what the reapers did to them IE the Collectors. Maybe read what I wrote next time?

I'm not going to waste more than sentence debunking this; Protheans can and THEY WILL add more to the story. Read the links or wait till the release. however if you're uninformed, shut up about it.

No shit they can. They have the first two games. No shit they will Vigil hinted at a reaper killing thing in the first game. Like you said the Protheans are the reason for this series they have been there from the start. But what will having a Protheon squad mate add to the game besides hey look more mouths to feed because I don't like him or which person should I not use because I like him as a squad mate.

We are both informed the same amount the difference being is that I believe having a Protheon squad mate will add nothing to the lore or story besides maybe a codex entry. While you are crying about the game being incomplete without him.

This is what drives me crazy. You are trying to equate our opinions as if they're equal. No, they aren't. You keep backpeddling every reply you make. Now its "add nothing but a code entry" what is it. Will it add something or wont it?

Every DLC person has added something to the Codex. Be it a planet or about a race. Does that mean that the game is incomplete without them? No it doesn't. I have not changed my argument from the start. Will it add something sure it could but will it make the game unplayable not having it? No it won't. You seem to think that the game is unplayable because they will not be getting a squad mate. But then again I could make the argument that the game is incomplete if you chose to save Kaiden instead of Ashley in the first game or vice versa or if you decided to have some people get killed off in the second because you didn't like them. You are arguing that a person that follows you around and shoots a gun will break the game and not be complete without it. What I am saying is that the game is perfectly fine without the DLC.

If your only argument is: Is the game still playable. Then there is nothing to discuss here. If all you care about is How playable it is, then this is obviously not an issue to you. I care about the quality of the product and when important characters are being removed, quality is suspect.

Plus Ashley/Kaidan are pretty damn important to me3. Characters can have a huge importance to the game, you're naive to think elsewise. Unless importance only means playable, which then, there is nothing to discuss.

they may be important but this one dlc character isn't i can't see why that is so hard to understand

because all the evidence is on my side, Anthony.

No.

No it doesn't.

You seem to be confusing the idea of the Prothean as a character and the Prothean as a squadmate.

The Prothean as a character? Important. Vital to the plot.

The Prothean as a squadmate? Something extra that can be purchased via DLC. Doesn't affect the overall plot or ending of the game either way.

The CHARACTER is important to the game. Not the DLC.

 

[Tony2077]

Um you put in an extra word there. Or are you also of the impression that all the extra characters in ME2 are also essential because

No. Just ones highly related to the lore. you know the protheans were the entire reason the series began. You know that right? this is like saying you can have mass effect 3 without shepard. or without Asari's are turians. Perhaps it is possible, but all of this come together to build the universe. a Prothean squadmate fills in many gaps in the lore.

I played through without any of them and it didn't change how much I liked the game or how much I got out of the game either. New weapon isn't too hard to do. Eden Prime they pretty much have all concept art and some coding from the first game. As for making the extra squad mate a Protheon. They have concept art from them from BOTH games. So yeah I believe that you can put out a new squad mate an area and weapon in three weeks.
Also the squad mate isn't mentioned in the leaks exactly. They say that you will get a new squad mate weapon and area they however DO NOT say who/what that squad mate is. Also note how this is a bonus for the COLLECTORS edition. Usually things that are included as bonuses don't mean much to the rest of the game and are pretty useless besides aesthetic reasons or to throw a few more lines of lore in there. From the first game you know the fate of the entire Protheon Civilization. In ME2 you learn what the Reapers do to the Protheons. What exactly can the Protheon Squad mate add to the Protheon knowledge that hasn't already been addressed in the previous too games? Is he going to be like Skarner who always says "I miss my kind." and generally be a complete emo?

Okay, I don't care for this post. make a point don't just go blah blah blah.

That IS my point. We already KNOW about the Protheons. Having on in your crew will not add anything. You know how they lived from the first one IE Vigil if you actually talk to him and the codex. Then in 2 you know what the reapers did to them IE the Collectors. Maybe read what I wrote next time?

I'm not going to waste more than sentence debunking this; Protheans can and THEY WILL add more to the story. Read the links or wait till the release. however if you're uninformed, shut up about it.

No shit they can. They have the first two games. No shit they will Vigil hinted at a reaper killing thing in the first game. Like you said the Protheans are the reason for this series they have been there from the start. But what will having a Protheon squad mate add to the game besides hey look more mouths to feed because I don't like him or which person should I not use because I like him as a squad mate.

We are both informed the same amount the difference being is that I believe having a Protheon squad mate will add nothing to the lore or story besides maybe a codex entry. While you are crying about the game being incomplete without him.

This is what drives me crazy. You are trying to equate our opinions as if they're equal. No, they aren't. You keep backpeddling every reply you make. Now its "add nothing but a code entry" what is it. Will it add something or wont it?

Every DLC person has added something to the Codex. Be it a planet or about a race. Does that mean that the game is incomplete without them? No it doesn't. I have not changed my argument from the start. Will it add something sure it could but will it make the game unplayable not having it? No it won't. You seem to think that the game is unplayable because they will not be getting a squad mate. But then again I could make the argument that the game is incomplete if you chose to save Kaiden instead of Ashley in the first game or vice versa or if you decided to have some people get killed off in the second because you didn't like them. You are arguing that a person that follows you around and shoots a gun will break the game and not be complete without it. What I am saying is that the game is perfectly fine without the DLC.

If your only argument is: Is the game still playable. Then there is nothing to discuss here. If all you care about is How playable it is, then this is obviously not an issue to you. I care about the quality of the product and when important characters are being removed, quality is suspect.

Plus Ashley/Kaidan are pretty damn important to me3. Characters can have a huge importance to the game, you're naive to think elsewise. Unless importance only means playable, which then, there is nothing to discuss.

they may be important but this one dlc character isn't i can't see why that is so hard to understand

because all the evidence is on my side, Anthony.

No.

No it doesn't.

You seem to be confusing the idea of the Prothean as a character and the Prothean as a squadmate.

The Prothean as a character? Important. Vital to the plot.

The Prothean as a squadmate? Something extra that can be purchased via DLC. Doesn't affect the overall plot or ending of the game either way.

The CHARACTER is important to the game. Not the DLC.

i don't think there even all that important anymore since we know that there tech is reaper tech unless they made a weapon and hid it somewhere other then the keeper code thing

 

[LordFisheh]

Now I'm just saying, it seems a lot of people in this thread look more like they want reasons to be angry at Bioware, rather than seeing something that genuinely makes them rage. Indignant anger is a pretty fun emotion, or I know it is for me. Why don't we actually wait to see how the Prothean plays and how important his story is before lynching The Man?

Oh yes. So our anger is not valid it's "indignant". If you do not see the problem with hacking off essential characters in the game. I have no more words for you.

As I said, let's wait to see if he even is essential first. Trust me, if he turns out to be, I'll be a pissed as everyone else. But right now it looks like people are working themselves up out of a desire to hate on Bioware, EA and The Man. We only have vague information, not even from Bioware itself. This could be half the story missing, or it could be another Zaeed.

 

[anthony87]

Um you put in an extra word there. Or are you also of the impression that all the extra characters in ME2 are also essential because

No. Just ones highly related to the lore. you know the protheans were the entire reason the series began. You know that right? this is like saying you can have mass effect 3 without shepard. or without Asari's are turians. Perhaps it is possible, but all of this come together to build the universe. a Prothean squadmate fills in many gaps in the lore.

I played through without any of them and it didn't change how much I liked the game or how much I got out of the game either. New weapon isn't too hard to do. Eden Prime they pretty much have all concept art and some coding from the first game. As for making the extra squad mate a Protheon. They have concept art from them from BOTH games. So yeah I believe that you can put out a new squad mate an area and weapon in three weeks.
Also the squad mate isn't mentioned in the leaks exactly. They say that you will get a new squad mate weapon and area they however DO NOT say who/what that squad mate is. Also note how this is a bonus for the COLLECTORS edition. Usually things that are included as bonuses don't mean much to the rest of the game and are pretty useless besides aesthetic reasons or to throw a few more lines of lore in there. From the first game you know the fate of the entire Protheon Civilization. In ME2 you learn what the Reapers do to the Protheons. What exactly can the Protheon Squad mate add to the Protheon knowledge that hasn't already been addressed in the previous too games? Is he going to be like Skarner who always says "I miss my kind." and generally be a complete emo?

Okay, I don't care for this post. make a point don't just go blah blah blah.

That IS my point. We already KNOW about the Protheons. Having on in your crew will not add anything. You know how they lived from the first one IE Vigil if you actually talk to him and the codex. Then in 2 you know what the reapers did to them IE the Collectors. Maybe read what I wrote next time?

I'm not going to waste more than sentence debunking this; Protheans can and THEY WILL add more to the story. Read the links or wait till the release. however if you're uninformed, shut up about it.

No shit they can. They have the first two games. No shit they will Vigil hinted at a reaper killing thing in the first game. Like you said the Protheans are the reason for this series they have been there from the start. But what will having a Protheon squad mate add to the game besides hey look more mouths to feed because I don't like him or which person should I not use because I like him as a squad mate.

We are both informed the same amount the difference being is that I believe having a Protheon squad mate will add nothing to the lore or story besides maybe a codex entry. While you are crying about the game being incomplete without him.

This is what drives me crazy. You are trying to equate our opinions as if they're equal. No, they aren't. You keep backpeddling every reply you make. Now its "add nothing but a code entry" what is it. Will it add something or wont it?

Every DLC person has added something to the Codex. Be it a planet or about a race. Does that mean that the game is incomplete without them? No it doesn't. I have not changed my argument from the start. Will it add something sure it could but will it make the game unplayable not having it? No it won't. You seem to think that the game is unplayable because they will not be getting a squad mate. But then again I could make the argument that the game is incomplete if you chose to save Kaiden instead of Ashley in the first game or vice versa or if you decided to have some people get killed off in the second because you didn't like them. You are arguing that a person that follows you around and shoots a gun will break the game and not be complete without it. What I am saying is that the game is perfectly fine without the DLC.

If your only argument is: Is the game still playable. Then there is nothing to discuss here. If all you care about is How playable it is, then this is obviously not an issue to you. I care about the quality of the product and when important characters are being removed, quality is suspect.

Plus Ashley/Kaidan are pretty damn important to me3. Characters can have a huge importance to the game, you're naive to think elsewise. Unless importance only means playable, which then, there is nothing to discuss.

they may be important but this one dlc character isn't i can't see why that is so hard to understand

because all the evidence is on my side, Anthony.

No.

No it doesn't.

You seem to be confusing the idea of the Prothean as a character and the Prothean as a squadmate.

The Prothean as a character? Important. Vital to the plot.

The Prothean as a squadmate? Something extra that can be purchased via DLC. Doesn't affect the overall plot or ending of the game either way.

The CHARACTER is important to the game. Not the DLC.

i don't think there even all that important anymore since we know that there tech is reaper tech unless they made a weapon and hid it somewhere other then the keeper code thing

But you DO understand what I mean when I say that the "character" is important while the "squadmate" isn't right?

Getting this across to Zeel is harder than teaching algebra to a brick wall.

 

[kouriichi]

Hes an optional character with no real stake in the story. Sure, it would be nice for everyone to have him, but its not the end of the world.

You wanna know what i really think about this topic? "Oh well."
Its not like theyre holding character customization hostage, or telling you half the game is locked away.

Its like Kasumi, and Zaeed. To be honest, i didnt give a half a sh*t about them. I never used Zaeed, because i didnt care for his character, and between Garrus, Tali and Grunt, i dont need any other role type to fill out my group.

If your a real Mass Effect fanboy, chances are your getting the collectors edition any. If your a Mass Effect fanboy and you arnt getting it, your STILL going to shell out money for the DLC, because you have to know the back-story to it.

All this complaining over something that isnt really effecting the game to not have a Completely optional character. Your still going to get the same story. Your going to get the same choices. Your still going to sleep with half a dozen different alien species. The game isnt "Devalued" nor is it "incomplete".

While i love TB, and have been subscribed to his channel FOREVER, he has the problem of being a bit whiny sometimes when not everything is perfectly his way. While i agree its not "good practice" to bring out DLC on release, its their product, and they have the right to do what they want with it.

His two recent standings ive seen nothing more then just pointless whining in. If you dont want to shell out for DLC, dont buy it. If you dont or cant play a game on PC because of FOV problems, play it on console. The world wont end because you have to pick up a controller and push the power button on your 360/ps3.

 

[Tony2077]

Um you put in an extra word there. Or are you also of the impression that all the extra characters in ME2 are also essential because

No. Just ones highly related to the lore. you know the protheans were the entire reason the series began. You know that right? this is like saying you can have mass effect 3 without shepard. or without Asari's are turians. Perhaps it is possible, but all of this come together to build the universe. a Prothean squadmate fills in many gaps in the lore.

I played through without any of them and it didn't change how much I liked the game or how much I got out of the game either. New weapon isn't too hard to do. Eden Prime they pretty much have all concept art and some coding from the first game. As for making the extra squad mate a Protheon. They have concept art from them from BOTH games. So yeah I believe that you can put out a new squad mate an area and weapon in three weeks.
Also the squad mate isn't mentioned in the leaks exactly. They say that you will get a new squad mate weapon and area they however DO NOT say who/what that squad mate is. Also note how this is a bonus for the COLLECTORS edition. Usually things that are included as bonuses don't mean much to the rest of the game and are pretty useless besides aesthetic reasons or to throw a few more lines of lore in there. From the first game you know the fate of the entire Protheon Civilization. In ME2 you learn what the Reapers do to the Protheons. What exactly can the Protheon Squad mate add to the Protheon knowledge that hasn't already been addressed in the previous too games? Is he going to be like Skarner who always says "I miss my kind." and generally be a complete emo?

Okay, I don't care for this post. make a point don't just go blah blah blah.

That IS my point. We already KNOW about the Protheons. Having on in your crew will not add anything. You know how they lived from the first one IE Vigil if you actually talk to him and the codex. Then in 2 you know what the reapers did to them IE the Collectors. Maybe read what I wrote next time?

I'm not going to waste more than sentence debunking this; Protheans can and THEY WILL add more to the story. Read the links or wait till the release. however if you're uninformed, shut up about it.

No shit they can. They have the first two games. No shit they will Vigil hinted at a reaper killing thing in the first game. Like you said the Protheans are the reason for this series they have been there from the start. But what will having a Protheon squad mate add to the game besides hey look more mouths to feed because I don't like him or which person should I not use because I like him as a squad mate.

We are both informed the same amount the difference being is that I believe having a Protheon squad mate will add nothing to the lore or story besides maybe a codex entry. While you are crying about the game being incomplete without him.

This is what drives me crazy. You are trying to equate our opinions as if they're equal. No, they aren't. You keep backpeddling every reply you make. Now its "add nothing but a code entry" what is it. Will it add something or wont it?

Every DLC person has added something to the Codex. Be it a planet or about a race. Does that mean that the game is incomplete without them? No it doesn't. I have not changed my argument from the start. Will it add something sure it could but will it make the game unplayable not having it? No it won't. You seem to think that the game is unplayable because they will not be getting a squad mate. But then again I could make the argument that the game is incomplete if you chose to save Kaiden instead of Ashley in the first game or vice versa or if you decided to have some people get killed off in the second because you didn't like them. You are arguing that a person that follows you around and shoots a gun will break the game and not be complete without it. What I am saying is that the game is perfectly fine without the DLC.

If your only argument is: Is the game still playable. Then there is nothing to discuss here. If all you care about is How playable it is, then this is obviously not an issue to you. I care about the quality of the product and when important characters are being removed, quality is suspect.

Plus Ashley/Kaidan are pretty damn important to me3. Characters can have a huge importance to the game, you're naive to think elsewise. Unless importance only means playable, which then, there is nothing to discuss.

they may be important but this one dlc character isn't i can't see why that is so hard to understand

because all the evidence is on my side, Anthony.

No.

No it doesn't.

You seem to be confusing the idea of the Prothean as a character and the Prothean as a squadmate.

The Prothean as a character? Important. Vital to the plot.

The Prothean as a squadmate? Something extra that can be purchased via DLC. Doesn't affect the overall plot or ending of the game either way.

The CHARACTER is important to the game. Not the DLC.

i don't think there even all that important anymore since we know that there tech is reaper tech unless they made a weapon and hid it somewhere other then the keeper code thing

But you DO understand what I mean when I say that the "character" is important while the "squadmate" isn't right?

Getting this across to Zeel is harder than teaching algebra to a brick wall.

you could teach it to a break wall since it'd stay there unlike with zeel and in one ear and out the other

 

[Loethlin]

They didn't change their stance...

 

[Yopaz]

We don't know what role the DLC character plays. How do you know he is a "vital part of the lore" any more than, say, Kasumi? All the guy in the video says is, "He's a fucking Prothean!" Because that's all he knows about it.

true, it is mostly speculation. but given the significance of that race to the story of the game and its lore, it seems like it would likely be a really important character and could provide a lot of answers. game companies have done shit like this before, like final fantasy 13-2 making one of the endings of the game, dlc

No, it's all speculation.

Why anyone would throw these childish online tantrums over purely speculative matters is a mystery to me.

Fucking gamers, man. Most entitled pack of whiners I've ever had the misfortune to encounter.

I know, right? How dare the demand value for their money and condemn shameful business practices! Bunch of dicks.

You know this post doesn't really make you sound like the smartest person on this site. You're pretty much saying that we deserve value for our hard earned money, but that EA does not deserve to earn money for their work.

I am?

Explain how. Im listening.

Well you have a sarcastic comment pointing out that customers deserve good quality when they buy a product. Alone this comment doesn't say anything that we don't all agree on. However the post you quoted was saying that we whine because we have to pay full price in order to get the full game. So looking into the context it certainly seems like EA does not deserve our money, but we deserve their product.

Um... What? Sorry dude, still not feeling it.

My posts imply there is a certain standard that makes a game worth whatever you pay for it. People are getting a rotten deal with ME3, thats all I am saying. I dont understand how the hell you read my posts and came out of it with that conclusion.

We deserve something when we shell out 60 bucks for a game. We deserve a functional, fun experience, and we deserve not to be treated like thieves. Entitled? Yes, of course I am entitled, and I have every right to be. Its my money EA are getting. (or rather, not getting, in this particular case.)

Since when is expecting a product to fulfill a certain standard a bad thing? That notion is extremely backward.

Let me get this straight. Content is being removed for 10 extra dollars and the jury is in: It's okay because it's not vital? HUH!!!?

PLEASE DEFEND THE REMOVAL OF CONTENT NOT HOW INSIGNIFICANT YOU THINK IT IS.
I am sooooooooo tired of you guys mudding up the issue.

The content wasn't "removed" and then being priced at ten dollars, the content was for the collectors edition. Bioware then decided to make it available to players if they want to pay a little extra to add it to the standard edition.

ME2 players begged Bioware to see some of the CE content as DLC, it looks like that was a bad move because people are acting like self entitled baby's who just saw another kid with an icecream.

Its weird how this prothean dude appeared in numerous leaks over the last few months despite being something the team only worked on to bridge the gap to release, isnt it? The protheans must be more advanced than previous games implied, since that particular one seems to have gained the ability to travel through time.

Well, you do in fact get a fully functional game for the price of 60 bucks. You get the full game for a price of 60 bucks. Those who buy the collector's edition get extra content and that's not unheard of. They get some side quests and an extra squad member.
Those who don't buy the collector's edition wont miss out on it if they want it. They can still get it if they feel like it. Bioware has confirmed this will not be a huge part of the story so that's bullshit. This isn't really a big deal. Sure. it's not nice, but this isn't something you haven't seen before. It's just the first time (as I know at least) you see the collector's edition's extra content also released as DLC.

Going blindly by Biowares word is unwise. I have read the leaks, the character is major. Dont believe me? Read the leaks yourself, or wait until the game comes out and see for yourself.

Theres not much left to say really.

Sure. it's not nice, but this isn't something you haven't seen before.

Unfortunately, it is not, but it should be, and I can only hope this does not become a new industry standard. In light of this and a few other DLCs from other publishers, what people used to say in a joking fashion is now becoming reality.

"One of these days they will start cutting out the endings of games or complete story lines and demand more money for them, haha!" And here we are.

And please, dont give me this "B-b-b-but they worked on him in the time between the sent out the complete version of the game and the release!" bullshit. It has been known for about half a year now that there will be a recruit able prothean. His story line was completed before the first xbox live slip up.

Not that I was going to suck up to EA by using their crappy 'Origin' service anyway...but this gives me even less incentive to go buy it.

Not everybody can be expected to splash out on a pre-order, so what happens to everybody else? They're getting punished for being late. I'll stick with Skyrim thanks, at least that game has value.

I wonder how these hardcore Bioware fans would have reacted if Bethesda had cut Alduin out of the game and sold him as DLC.

From what I have heard the character will still be in the game and the story elements connected to him will still be resolved even if you shell out for the DLC or not. So all you miss out on is a character and a few sidequests. However that was from Bioware again. You obviously know more than them. You have read leaks on the internet so you can't be wrong. If it bothers you so much that you'll miss a few fractions of story connected to the side quests don't buy the game and miss out on all of the story. That sounds like a fair exchange.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Applause. You go dayonedlc side. You guys are certainly getting there, just not in the way that you think.

My guess for 7. Impact not as big as other squademates.

I called it first.

Generally speaking, if you scream loud enough and long enough at people, they'll just start agreeing with you in the hopes you'll shut up and go away. This is a pretty common phenomenon. Persistence + volume will win you arguments against most sane individuals, because after a while they'll just have had all they can stand.

 

[Tony2077]

Applause. You go dayonedlc side. You guys are certainly getting there, just not in the way that you think.

My guess for 7. Impact not as big as other squademates.

I called it first.

Generally speaking, if you scream loud enough and long enough at people, they'll just start agreeing with you in the hopes you'll shut up and go away. This is a pretty common phenomenon. Persistence + volume will win you arguments against most sane individuals, because after a while they'll just have had all they can stand.

after a while we get tired of bashing our heads against a breakwall

 

[Tony2077]

Applause. You go dayonedlc side. You guys are certainly getting there, just not in the way that you think.

My guess for 7. Impact not as big as other squademates.

I called it first.

Generally speaking, if you scream loud enough and long enough at people, they'll just start agreeing with you in the hopes you'll shut up and go away. This is a pretty common phenomenon. Persistence + volume will win you arguments against most sane individuals, because after a while they'll just have had all they can stand.

notice I am not agreeing with even one of their points.

Plus; anyone can check for their selves how their position slowly changed. I like to think this was organic not just them going "enough of this". If it was the latter, they'd stop replying. You guys DONT HAVE TO REPLY.

i don't see anywhere we agree with you

 

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notice I am not agreeing with even one of their points.

Plus; anyone can check for their selves how their position slowly changed. I like to think this was organic not just them going "enough of this". If it was the latter, they'd stop replying. You guys DONT HAVE TO REPLY.

Meh. It's the internet. People OFTEN come to forums to argue. They'll scour for controversial sounding threads and posts, and wade in to pick a fight. People get a thrill and a little endorphin kick out of righteous indignation. I presume you're aware of this, as your attitude towards the one issue you've been interested in discussing since joining these forums has been unrelentingly belligerent. You're picking fights in full knowledge of the fact it will provoke replies.