I really enjoyed the fight with the possibility of death (Even yours!). You were fighting for everyone and if you hadn't worked hard enough, people died. I sided with Miranda in her conflict with Jack and due to that, Jack died in my first playthough. I felt bad that she hadn't trusted me, her commander and thus was unable to survive. The loyalty missions are my favourite. I love em'; especially Grunt's.LordofPurple said:
Mass Effect 3's ending wasn't that bad...
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I thought the endings were bad, very bad. However I can see why all the bitching could make someone just going into it now expect something far worse than what it really is, which is probably a blessing tbh, at least then it didn't disappoint you...
That, I think, is the real problem. From a completely objective standpoint, the endings are bad but not the worst, they don't even come close to Fallout 3/Human Revolution levels of bad in my opinion. What's really fueling the hurt is that the game, nay, the trilogy that preceded it was so good (again, in my opinion) and promised so much that it made the moderately shitty ending seem like that much more of a disappointment; and when you've spent 5 years as a dedicated fan of the series, ending on such a sour note is hard to recover from. I just hope this doesn't finish the whole company because despite everything, I still love Mass Effect and I love Bioware.
Where I would disagree with you is where you call Mass Effect 'Science Fantasy', because that implies that the writers can just pull whatever space-magic they like out of their arse whenever it suits them, and until the end this wasn't Mass Effect at all. The whole purpose of such a rich and detailed codex was to make the world seem believable. Everything was explained, in fine detail, to the point where even the stuff that was impossible in the real world at least sounded plausible to someone without a physics degree. Given that this had been the tone of the entire series so far, I don't think it's too much to ask to want the mechanics of how my decisions actually work to be properly explained to me and to sound believable. However, what I got was:
- You shoot a thing and that makes all synthetics/hybrids die somehow.
- You touch a thing. You melt, but your consciousness lives on and tells the Reapers what to do, somehow.
- You jump into a thing. You melt, and that gives everyone in the Galaxy new DNA... somehow.
I'm sorry, but... what?
That, I think, is the real problem. From a completely objective standpoint, the endings are bad but not the worst, they don't even come close to Fallout 3/Human Revolution levels of bad in my opinion. What's really fueling the hurt is that the game, nay, the trilogy that preceded it was so good (again, in my opinion) and promised so much that it made the moderately shitty ending seem like that much more of a disappointment; and when you've spent 5 years as a dedicated fan of the series, ending on such a sour note is hard to recover from. I just hope this doesn't finish the whole company because despite everything, I still love Mass Effect and I love Bioware.
Where I would disagree with you is where you call Mass Effect 'Science Fantasy', because that implies that the writers can just pull whatever space-magic they like out of their arse whenever it suits them, and until the end this wasn't Mass Effect at all. The whole purpose of such a rich and detailed codex was to make the world seem believable. Everything was explained, in fine detail, to the point where even the stuff that was impossible in the real world at least sounded plausible to someone without a physics degree. Given that this had been the tone of the entire series so far, I don't think it's too much to ask to want the mechanics of how my decisions actually work to be properly explained to me and to sound believable. However, what I got was:
- You shoot a thing and that makes all synthetics/hybrids die somehow.
- You touch a thing. You melt, but your consciousness lives on and tells the Reapers what to do, somehow.
- You jump into a thing. You melt, and that gives everyone in the Galaxy new DNA... somehow.
I'm sorry, but... what?
Guys you yourselves are admitting that the ending was lazy. Don't ever accept that. The day that game companies realize that they can't get away with being lazy is the day we will truly have masterpieces.
I stated several reasons I liked the ending, and the title simply reflects my opinion.Zeel said:
Definitely. Up to the very ending it was pretty swell.spectrenihlus said:
But I'm also a fan of Stephen King, who pulls a deux ex out of his ass for nearly every book ever. So maybe I'm just easily pleased. For me, as long as the plot gets resolved and I get my happy ending, I guess I'm pleased.
I have also given several reasons for why I liked the ending but ultimately, this is an OPINION thing. You can't objectively state whether it's something people should like. By the very nature of a story, it's going to be subjective.LordofPurple said:
However, ultimately, you said it yourself: You're not here to argue this. You wanted to see if there were others who agreed that it wasn't as bad as everyone says it is.
For the record as well, I don't think it was lazy writing at all. This is a buildup that I think had been hinted at throughout the trilogy (see my post above) and even a mini-version of this occurred with the Quarian/Geth war.
If you don't want to hear someone's opinion that's different from yours, why did you come to a forum with a title that clearly established an opinion different from yours?Zeel said:
We enjoyed the endings and you didn't. That's fine. No need to begin acting like your word is supreme law and anyone who disagrees with it is an imbecile. Hell, maybe we even have lower standards than you and you have much more of an argument to begin with. That doesn't make our opinions incorrect.
I enjoyed the ending and I'm standing by that, no matter how many tantrums you throw.
Worthless to who? Myself To YOU? I shall give myself fifty lashes for my offense, great one.Zeel said:
I'll go ahead and answer this one but if you can't act like an adult and discuss this without throwing in passive-aggressive insults, I'm not going to bother discussing this with you. I encourage LordofPurple to do the same but that is up to you what you do LoP.Zeel said:
#1. You can have broad story structures like destiny in something that is not an anime. The game doesn't have to beat you over the head with it either for it to still be present.
#2. The choice/consequence argument is the one I keep hearing as to why it's bad but let me ask you a question: What choice did you make in the game that really changed something:
*NOTE: If you're here, I assume you don't care about spoilers but just in case, spoilers for all three games below
ME1: You save Wrex: You're dealing with Wrex in later ME games. You shoot Wrex: You're dealing with Wreav instead.
ME1: You save the council: They are happy but dismiss you about the reapers. You destroy the council: They are unhappy and dismiss you about the repears.
ME any: You decide to have happy time with ______: You had happy time with _______.
I'm certain I could go on and on here but you get the point. Ultimately, your choices have minimal consequences. Ultimately, you're going to the same spot to do the same thing weather you like it or not (...sounds like destiny to me).
EDIT: In fact, I think that adding the three choices at the end was a mistake. Trying to force in the illusion of choice at that point just doesn't work (especially since, as someone here told me, it's essentially the same ending). Maybe that's what has everyone worked up...
I'm gonna say this one last time. If you were perfectly happy with ME3 you have no reason to say ANYTHING in ANY outlet but this:
"Thank you Bioware. I enjoyed the game."
Because if it's true, it's all you should need to say. But for the love of god, stop volunteering to be Bioware's PR department. They'll never thank you for it, and you're actively impeding an ongoing campaign among consumers to get *MORE* and *BETTER* content for the game. Why can't you just be happy with what you have, instead of actively impeding us from getting what we want?
Dag y'all.
"Thank you Bioware. I enjoyed the game."
Because if it's true, it's all you should need to say. But for the love of god, stop volunteering to be Bioware's PR department. They'll never thank you for it, and you're actively impeding an ongoing campaign among consumers to get *MORE* and *BETTER* content for the game. Why can't you just be happy with what you have, instead of actively impeding us from getting what we want?
Dag y'all.
