Mass Effect: How will you remember Saren Arterius? *Mass Effect 1, spoilers*
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I'll remember him as an incredibly dumb,naive and gullible fellow.
He saw first hand(even before being indoctrinated) what the reapers did to their tools.They lead geths via Saren to pointless "death" by sending dozens,hundreds of weaker soldiers to do a job a handful of better soldiers could do much better,and discretly.Also,the husks being left on-world while the reapers return to deep space.
Sentient species,no matter if they accepted the reapers,would have been used then disposed of and any one with field experience like a Spectre should see that.
Also,he shot at me on purpose and multiple occasions,therefore I hate the sucker and his end was well deserved.
He saw first hand(even before being indoctrinated) what the reapers did to their tools.They lead geths via Saren to pointless "death" by sending dozens,hundreds of weaker soldiers to do a job a handful of better soldiers could do much better,and discretly.Also,the husks being left on-world while the reapers return to deep space.
Sentient species,no matter if they accepted the reapers,would have been used then disposed of and any one with field experience like a Spectre should see that.
Also,he shot at me on purpose and multiple occasions,therefore I hate the sucker and his end was well deserved.
Depends on what you consider to be "the perfect villain".MakeLoveNotWar said:
If you consider a failure of a monster who fails every time he tries to do something evil to be the perfect villain, then Bowser is the rigth choice.
I see your point.. but doesn't it really say more about Mario being a great hero, rather than Bowser being a terrible villain?gjendemsjo said:
Now that made me laugh.Thunderhorse31 said:
I thought he was a great villain. He wasn't a cardboard cutout that spouted one liners and buggered off *glares meaningfully at Harbringer*, he presented himself as a thinking character that could justify his actions, albeit using a racist and bigoted system of measurement. And when he was shown how he'd been betrayed by his indoctrinator, he took the only way out that he still had control over. Call him what you want, but he lived for self-control.
As an aside, a friend of mine tricked me with an April Fool's joke before I played ME2 that Saren makes a surprise appearance at the end as a cyborg who can be persuaded to join the crew. I had visions of how such a meeting might go and we both laughed ourselves silly
(Shepard: Saren, is that really you?
Saren: *sighing* Yes, Shepard.
Shepard: What happened?
Saren: The Geth managed a short raid while the Citadel was in ruins and they "rescued" me. Apparently, they didn't want to lose their acolyte to the Reapers so they...rebuilt me.
Shepard: Well, they did a nice job. The two extra arms and the blender attachment look good on you.
Saren: Shut up.
Shepard: Is it detachable or do you have to wash it when you...?
Saren: I said, shut up!)
Pretty much this, but if the EMperor had even more control over Vader. I thought it was pretty apparent that Sovereign was straight-up mind controlling Saren, and only lost his grip long enough for Saren to off himself towards the end. I don't think Saren was perfect or anything, but it's kinda hard to find anyone one in the ME universe who isn't a little specist. I think if anyone else had been controlled by Sovereign, Saren would have been the hero. He just got really, really unlucky.meganmeave said:
Well, Bowser doesn't really do anything more than to kidnap the princess, and Mario doesn't really do anything more than to save her. Maybe if he tried doing something evil or smart. Maybe if he elaborated a little bit more, and tried to put a little bit more though behind what he does. He is pretty much a 1-dimensional villain, and i don't know about you, but I like a smarter and tougher villain more than the clumsy not-good-for-anything villains like Bowser.MakeLoveNotWar said:
And yeah, I know that Bowser is one of the most famous and well recognized villains in the game industry, but that's only because he's a part of the Mario franchise.
Yeah, a little bit like him. I'm just saying that they should give him a little bit more of a motivation, and at least try to make him menacing.MakeLoveNotWar said:
Mm. I always did wonder why he would want to steal a princess, especially if the game is G rated..gjendemsjo said:
As a total and utter douche to be honest. Yes, I get all the possessed by Sovergien stuff, but in the end, he was totally Anti-Human, and in the end, was a big part of the assault on the Cididel. He was also a total coward. He couldn't face the Reapers, so he wussed out and went on to join them.
He might have had a bit of decency in him, as - if you have high enough Charm and Intimidate skills - he will free himself of Sovergien's power by shooting himself, which is basically useless in the term of gameplay, as the first fight is easy. You still have to fight the Possessed, reincarnated weirdo Saren, which jumps around and lobs explosives at you like some kind of goddamn Super=Powerful-Geth Stalker-turret.
Oh, -SPOILER ALERT ABOVE-
He might have had a bit of decency in him, as - if you have high enough Charm and Intimidate skills - he will free himself of Sovergien's power by shooting himself, which is basically useless in the term of gameplay, as the first fight is easy. You still have to fight the Possessed, reincarnated weirdo Saren, which jumps around and lobs explosives at you like some kind of goddamn Super=Powerful-Geth Stalker-turret.
Oh, -SPOILER ALERT ABOVE-
Saren like a lot of bad people is not bad just for the sake of being bad, he is just a guy who thinks he is doing the right thing, but because he is racist to humans, and brainwashed his jugement was flawed from the beginning.
a sad sick shell of a being too who was so unsure of himself a simple conversation made him kill himself... a weakling and scum beneath my intergalactic toe.