McCain?

[sneakypenguin]

But I'm just a political science and American history double major... not like I know what I'm talking about.

Yay let's all show off our degrees.
Me next! I'm a Enterprise Mgmt major with a minor in logistics and a co lateral in information managment. Lol don't throw degrees around they don't mean too much let your points stand for themselves rather than trying to bolster an argument with a boast. People should see your educated with your writings rather than you having to pronounce it
Just a pet peeve of mine

 

[OuroborosChoked]

I'm not anti-Mccain, I'm anti Palin, and we all know if we elect Mccain she'll get at least 2 years as President.

Hey, don't diss Palin's credentials. I mean, she can see Russia from her house! When you have that as your sole qualification, what else do you need?

I like how the left like to ignore the fact that she was a mayor and a governor. That's like suggesting that Obama's only qualification is that he lived in Indonesia.

Because being governor for less than two years of the least populous state per square mile is better experience than being, I dunno... Senator for three years?

Being a mayor and a governor gives her more executive experience than Obama, yes. The presidency is an EXECUTIVE position, not a legislative one. And if you want to talk about numbers, it should be noted Obama was only present in the senate for something like 145 days total. There's arguments to be made for Obama, but experience isn't one of them.

By that argument, shouldn't Palin be the one running for PRESIDENT? McCain doesn't have ANY executive experience...

 

[Limos]

Mccain himself wouldn't be a terrible president. He should have been the Republican candidate 8 years ago. But he was a "Maverik" so the Republicans didn't like him.

Nowadays I just don't want Palin anywhere near the presidency. And I don't think we can take another 4 years of Republican administration.

 

[BigKingBob]

We, the Obamalites, forecast a crushing victory, therefore we dont need to act like haters.

What happend hear is that Obama has a lead in MULTIPLE states, while mccain is high suport in some states.

The exact oposite of the bush vs algore fiasco from years ago.

But doesnt the entire outcome of the US election depend on the results from a very small number of states? (Like 5 or less)

Obama could stil easily lose this thing, I dont want him to but I can see it happening.

Your electoral college system really does suck ass

my electorate system? Im English xD

I just follow the race and like Obama, looks like he will win too. Unlike the last time i backed Al.

Ah! Apologies from a fellow englishman! I just tend to presume that everyone on the tubes is a yank.

Though our constituency system also leaves something to be desired aswell. I can see why we have it and how it makes sense, but I would prefer it if the house of lords was replaced with a second elected house that was voted in by PR.

 

[742]

mccain hate?
hes a stuck-in-his-ways old man, seems unadaptable and angry, throws being held as a POW and tortured as a qualification (perhaps for psychiatric examination or a position running veterans affairs, but not president-being tortured does not make you a good leader, trust me on this) at EVERY possible opprotunity and knows absolutely nothing about computers, likely plans to ignore education and our infastructure, both physical and computer. im going to guess he will solve any scientific problems by just throwing money at them (or ignore them). also in the third debate he called me retarded, at this point it becomes personal hate. he wants to stay at war forever, i personally dont think he understands the culture of the people were fighting, and he was cought SINGING about bombing iran. you dont fucking do that if you have the power to make it happen unless your visibly intoxicated, and even then it is not to be looked upon kindly. but thats just him, lets move on to his running mate

sara palin is closed minded. she is clearly an idiot. she is an attempt to appeal to the lowest common denominator. shes a *****. shes against abortion even if "a 15 year old is raped by a family member". she incites fanaticism and KILLING the other guy, who seems like he would be a good leader in congress even if he doesnt make president, oh, and the small issue of murdering your political opponets but keeping plausible deniability, no bad guy has ever done that. ever. she had a fucking exorcism. and there is a serious danger that john mccain will die in office, and this psycho might be president. now im not proposing she should be locked up, but i think people like her cant coexist peacefully with the rest of soceity. i think they should be put someplace remote, someplace hard to get to, someplace nobody in their right mind would want to live, and its gotta have a harsh enviroment so that that they cant just walk back, far FAR away from civilization. alaska maybe?

then theres the campaign. run by the same people that did george W bush. nuff said. red lightsabres are cool and all, but i would rather not have anyone in power be pulling the jedi mind trick on me.(im not a star wars geek, the bad guys had that too right?)

the other candidate seems like someone who might actually do some good, sure hes hiding something, but his campaign isnt being run by the kind of lies, and if theres anything legitimately bad about him the republicans would have found it by now. far from perfect but more than good enough and im not holding my breath for nader 08, or even barr 08.

also, i am the fabled liberal elitist, i think the smart people should be doing thinking work and the stupid people should be breaking rocks, lifting things, being paid LOTS of money to clean out sewers, or asking me if i would like fries with my large order of fries. i also think that anyone and/or anything should be able to legally fuck anyone/anything else as long as both parties are sentient and consent to the act(s) in question. maybe getting educated. i dont think stupidity and ignorance are things that you should take pride in, i beleive they are things to be ashamed of, cured, or left alone(i will admit, i do not want to know what my grandparents look like during sex, and if you try to kill me i WILL do my absolute best to hurt you, and i dont see any pressing need to know about the technical specs of the first computer). i dont understand why that makes me a horrible evil person, there are lots of other things i would want to be hated for if you absolutely must hate me.

electoral college... why cant we count vote-by-vote? they arent peices of paper written by illiterate morons placed in a bag tied shut and to a donkey that has to be carried thousands of miles across rickety rope bridges to be counted by someone who may or may not be able to read. we use computers and shit, theyre even networked! lets use that to give everyone a vote, conservative votes dont count in california and liberal votes dont count in arkansas under the current system, that seems kinda wrong.

 

[mike1921]

Your electoral college system really does suck ass

It's actually a good thing it keeps some states from having too much say in elections. An example(of no EC system) would be Il. Chicago controls that states agenda because it is the premire population center. So the electoral college system allows lesser states and population centers a bigger say in running the country. Without the EC the northeast would have the biggest control of elections leaving the south and midwest with very little imput into elections.

Erm, surely the number of people is what should determine the election, not the states. If there really are fewer people in those states, surely its fair that they have a lesser say?

I've been saying for the longest time, there are less black people so they defiantly shouldn't have as important say (Sarcasm)

It's true. The only way for black people to have as much say as white people is to make their votes count 4 times more

See, if we had a direct, majority-of-the-voters election, then politicians would only care about issues that effect big (population) states.

No. Only if if they think they can get a vote from 90% of the people in the big population states. The big population states would be more important but they are with the EC to.

also in the third debate he called me retarded, at this point it becomes personal hate

?

 

[Doug]

Your electoral college system really does suck ass

It's actually a good thing it keeps some states from having too much say in elections. An example(of no EC system) would be Il. Chicago controls that states agenda because it is the premire population center. So the electoral college system allows lesser states and population centers a bigger say in running the country. Without the EC the northeast would have the biggest control of elections leaving the south and midwest with very little imput into elections.

Erm, surely the number of people is what should determine the election, not the states. If there really are fewer people in those states, surely its fair that they have a lesser say?

I've been saying for the longest time, there are less black people so they defiantly shouldn't have as important say (Sarcasm)

I don't get what you mean. What I meant was... lets say state X had 100 people, all of whom support candidate A. State Y has only 50 people, but an equal number of electoral college votes. Hence, efficiently, the votes of people in state Y have twice as much strength as in state X

 

[Doug]

....
he was cought SINGING about bombing iran. you dont fucking do that if you have the power to make it happen unless your visibly intoxicated, and even then it is not to be looked upon kindly. but thats just him, lets move on to his running mate
...
she incites fanaticism and KILLING the other guy
...
oh, and the small issue of murdering your political opponets but keeping plausible deniability, no bad guy has ever done that. ever. she had a fucking exorcism.

O....k. Can we have sources for these please? Singing about bombing Iran, I hadn't heard about. Nor have I heard about Sarah Palin encouraging people to assasinate Obama (although I do know they continuously call him a terrorist for some connection with a black supremist or something.

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

Compared to Obama's record of 40% it's safe to say, then, that while McCain and Bush agree on a lot of things they are still very different.

There is a huge substantive difference between 40 and 95

One conclusion tells you that he is indeed W in disguise, and the other, a politician who would misrepresent himself to get to the big job

That IS W. though.

 

[Johnn Johnston]

O....k. Can we have sources for these please? Singing about bombing Iran, I hadn't heard about.

Johnn delivers. [http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg]

He begins singing at 00:35 or so.

 

[Doug]

O....k. Can we have sources for these please? Singing about bombing Iran, I hadn't heard about.

Johnn delivers. [http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg]

He begins singing at 00:35 or so.

Yikes, ok, he's abit insane to say the least. As for Iran, the country is more complex than the average person believe - whilst it isn't exactly free and democratic, its far from a wholy repressive society. As for what the do in Iraq, its abit hypocritical of the US to blame them, given the US invaded the country from half-way around the world.

 

[Saskwach]

Compared to Obama's record of 40% it's safe to say, then, that while McCain and Bush agree on a lot of things they are still very different.

There is a huge substantive difference between 40 and 95

One conclusion tells you that he is indeed W in disguise, and the other, a politician who would misrepresent himself to get to the big job

That IS W. though.

I was comparing 40 to 67, although I assume Obama's record of yea to nay has stayed about the same through the years? Whether it has or hasn't doesn't really matter, though, as Obama's similarities to Bush aren't a matter of discussion.
As for what "IS W." I's reply that that IS politics, and W. is merely another politician. It's a sad necessity of politics, but everyone does it - the argument is only over how much. The point, though, is that using some spin does not make you W, or every damn one of those Congressmen, Democrat or Republican, are little Bushes in training.

 

[BigKingBob]

We, the Obamalites, forecast a crushing victory, therefore we dont need to act like haters.

What happend hear is that Obama has a lead in MULTIPLE states, while mccain is high suport in some states.

The exact oposite of the bush vs algore fiasco from years ago.

But doesnt the entire outcome of the US election depend on the results from a very small number of states? (Like 5 or less)

Obama could stil easily lose this thing, I dont want him to but I can see it happening.

Your electoral college system really does suck ass

my electorate system? Im English xD

I just follow the race and like Obama, looks like he will win too. Unlike the last time i backed Al.

Ah! Apologies from a fellow englishman! I just tend to presume that everyone on the tubes is a yank.

Though our constituency system also leaves something to be desired aswell. I can see why we have it and how it makes sense, but I would prefer it if the house of lords was replaced with a second elected house that was voted in by PR.

NONO! DONT TALK LIKE THAT ABOUT THE LORDS!

Someone might hear you and act on that bad advice xD

The house of lords is a heredatort role and a life membership role, people in it have to be put there the way they are already, because people dont want to see the lords become a weaker version of the house of commons.

Some of them are chosen, some are appointed, and some are heredatory.

DONT FIDDLE ANYMORE WITH THE LORDS!

But its the fact that people that we have not chosen or voted for get a say in our government that annoys me, why should they be allowed to influence our laws more than me just because there great great great great (etc) grandad was a bigger murdering bastard than mine was?

Besides, if the lords were voted in then all the blocks on their power could be removed. So then we would have a second functioning house of government, instead of the vestigial appendix of a house that the lords has become.

 

[Johnn Johnston]

We, the Obamalites, forecast a crushing victory, therefore we dont need to act like haters.

What happend hear is that Obama has a lead in MULTIPLE states, while mccain is high suport in some states.

The exact oposite of the bush vs algore fiasco from years ago.

But doesnt the entire outcome of the US election depend on the results from a very small number of states? (Like 5 or less)

Obama could stil easily lose this thing, I dont want him to but I can see it happening.

Your electoral college system really does suck ass

my electorate system? Im English xD

I just follow the race and like Obama, looks like he will win too. Unlike the last time i backed Al.

Ah! Apologies from a fellow englishman! I just tend to presume that everyone on the tubes is a yank.

Though our constituency system also leaves something to be desired aswell. I can see why we have it and how it makes sense, but I would prefer it if the house of lords was replaced with a second elected house that was voted in by PR.

NONO! DONT TALK LIKE THAT ABOUT THE LORDS!

Someone might hear you and act on that bad advice xD

The house of lords is a heredatort role and a life membership role, people in it have to be put there the way they are already, because people dont want to see the lords become a weaker version of the house of commons.

Some of them are chosen, some are appointed, and some are heredatory.

DONT FIDDLE ANYMORE WITH THE LORDS!

But its the fact that people that we have not chosen or voted for get a say in our government that annoys me, why should they be allowed to influence our laws more than me just because there great great great great (etc) grandad was a bigger murdering bastard than mine was?

Besides, if the lords were voted in then all the blocks on their power could be removed. So then we would have a second functioning house of government, instead of the vestigial appendix of a house that the lords has become.

Argh, I'm in mixed opinion over the House of Lords. I don't feel we should remove it, but I don't feel it's fully fair...

 

[Mistah Kurtz]

I'm not anti-Mccain, I'm anti Palin, and we all know if we elect Mccain she'll get at least 2 years as President.

Hey, don't diss Palin's credentials. I mean, she can see Russia from her house! When you have that as your sole qualification, what else do you need?

I like how the left like to ignore the fact that she was a mayor and a governor. That's like suggesting that Obama's only qualification is that he lived in Indonesia.

Because being governor for less than two years of the least populous state per square mile is better experience than being, I dunno... Senator for three years?

Being a mayor and a governor gives her more executive experience than Obama, yes. The presidency is an EXECUTIVE position, not a legislative one. And if you want to talk about numbers, it should be noted Obama was only present in the senate for something like 145 days total. There's arguments to be made for Obama, but experience isn't one of them.

By that argument, shouldn't Palin be the one running for PRESIDENT? McCain doesn't have ANY executive experience...

Actually, I didn't make an argument, you did - Your argument was that Palin had no experience. I never said that she should be the president, I merely pointed out that not only did she have experience, she had much more than your own PRESIDENTIAL candidate. (Barack only actually served 145 days in the senate - again, being a governor and mayor is a full time job)
I find it pretty laughable that you're trying to pass off a first term junior senator as someone with more experience than someone who was both a mayor and a governor. There are plenty of things to criticize Sarah Palin about - let's not stoop to lies. Insult her intelligence, point out the fact that, like George Bush, she never learned how to say the word 'nuclear', but don't lie - it doesn't help your case man.

 

[ellimist337]

Sorry that we don't have time to spend money on "social programs" due to an economy that was bound to collapse regardless if we had gone to war, when the previous administration failed to properly take care of the leftovers Bush had to deal with.

So how does this explain the surpluses that Bill Clinton had in his terms in office? Did you know that for the cost of the Iraq war (which, in case you forgot, had and still has no justification whatsoever), we could have had a great national healthcare system, solved the mortgage crisis, vastly improved education, hospitals, and roads, and had some leftover, perhaps to assist these failing banks?

 

[Vigormortis]

I'm not American, but if McCain gets in I will loose all faith in humanity and likely kill myself out of disgust and will be making that fact very clear in my suicide note.

Right, like anyone is going to believe this--just like all the moonbats who said they were going to move to Canada if Kerry didn't win the election 4 years ago. Well, he didn't, and there wasn't a mass exodus to Canada.

True, though admittedly, the thought of Hillary getting into office made me say the same thing. At first anyway. Now, quite frankly, I can't stand the thought of either Obama or McCain in office. I find the whole situation depressing. McCain is just a colossal tool and Obama speaks in grand, prophetic rhetoric and makes promises that, quite frankly, he can never, ever keep. I'm not sure if Hillary would be any better, but damn if I didn't wish we had another choice this year.

As for the Obama hate, it likely stems from people looking for somewhere to voice their opinions on the man considering that the general media (TV, radio, news print) are all gushing over Obama and hating on McCain. Personally, I look for any opportunity to bash them both, and their choices in VPs.