Torrasque said:
My feelings about the article:
Okay first of all, would you really expect a
mother to do anything less then defend her child? Mothers have defended people who became serial killers or bombers or white supremacists, you really think a mother
wouldn't defend her child over something as (relatively) petty as attacking someone at a Mcdonald's?
Parents defend their children, that is fact. So while I agree that she's not really justified in making the claim that her child is an innocent angel I certainly can't be surprised that she did.
I can tell you right now that if a member of my family was brought into hospital with a fractured skull, I would be worried too and I certainly wouldn't be saying 'well
she deserved it.'
A metal bat? Really? You can clearly see that it is a thin metal rod.
Metal bat implies that it is a lead pipe, something we all agreed on in the first thread, that it is definitely not.
According to the report one of the women has a fractured skull and a broken arm and the other has severe cuts all over her body.
Call it whatever the hell you want, it still seems to have caused enough damage.
Oh I bet it does.
Wow really? Yeah we can all agree that she didn't deserve to be beaten when she was down,
I want you to remember this bit because you are going to say something that contradicts it really soon.
but she jumped behind the fucking counter, after slapping the guy, and is chasing him further into the store. So don't even give me that shit.
All of which has
nothing to do with the point made here. The point being that she didn't deserve a savage beating and that most of those beatings took place when she was on the floor.
Both of which were true. She was incredibly wrong to slap him and chase him behind the counter but after that it was all on him.
Your point here is utterly irrelevant, it's true that she started it but that's not the point being debated.
My concern is that a cashier that may snap when pushed, has to deal with stupid fucking customers that are violent themselves. I believe that people have the right to try and pass counterfeit bills, but maybe they should not slap and chase someone that they do not know, and be violent when dealing with cashiers.
I agree that this is a problem and people shouldn't attack cashiers. That's something I'm certainly not trying to defend here. However the fact that these women initiated it doesn't make the point invalid, Mcdonald's
should do better background checks on people they hire. This time it was reactionary to an attack but who knows if the next time something like this happens it isn't to totally innocent people?
Plus as another use said, of two bad things that happened his may have caused brain damage.
So she can slap another cashier when they do their job and say "hey, this bill is fake" ?
So she can return to her family and the people who
love her, unharmed? People keep on talking about how 'Rayon Mcintosh was just trying to get his life back together' and 'what he did was in the past, let him try to redeem himself' and yet they frequently seem to think that this woman
doesn't deserve the same chance.
I'm sorry but if you are willing to give a second chance to someone who shot and killed someone else (and wounded an eight year old boy in the process) then excuse me for thinking it's a little hypocritical to not think it's possible for the girl who slapped someone to do something similar.
Who knows? She could really turn her life around, become a saint even. Maybe she'll become a brilliant doctor or lawyer, maybe she'll become a proud humanitarian.
Everyone deserves a chance to fix up their lives and move on and learn from their mistakes, at least if the Rayon Mcintosh defenders are to be believed... but let me tell you they can't really do that if the following thing happens:
You know what, I fucking hope she has brain damage.
I'm very grateful my last meal was over four hours ago, because otherwise I probably would have thrown up all over my keyboard at reading this. I am literally, physically disgusted that you would stoop so low as to actually say that.
To effectively condone that level of violence and condemn a human being to a life of drooling, memory loss, inability to speak, loss of motor skills and a fuckload of other horrible things as well.
And over something
that petty?
That goes
beyond unjust punishment for the crime and the fact that people have an attitude like this is sickening. We live in the year 2011 and yet reading this thread one would think it was still the dark ages.
It will be a good example to other douchebag customers, that you don't be a douchebag.
And if Rayon Mcintosh gets thrown in jail for the rest of his life it'll be a good example to all the 'internet tough guys' that no matter how bitchy someone is to you and even if they started it, you aren't allowed to be excessively violent to them and if you try you won't get away with it.
Except if she has brain damage, than McIntosh is pretty much fucked, which will suck.
I'm going to para-phrase Yahtzee here with a line from his joke review of DNF:
"No it would not
SUCK. If you get arrested for beating someone hard enough to give them brain damage then that does NOT SUCK, that is how the world
should be!"
What would suck however is that Rayon's little girl would get to spend another five years without a father due to his own violent stupidity. It would also suck that the woman's family (who are completely innocent here) would have to go through the trauma and heartbreak of having a member of their family have brain damage.
And leaving a heart broken traumatised family in his wake is certainly no new thing to Mcintosh.
Listen I don't support these women at all, they were bitchy and unpleasant and awful. But from the sounds of things they have been charged with assault and criminal harrasment and breaking and entering. That sounds like a perfectly fair punishment.
Rayon Mcintosh should be charged and held accountable for beating them at least FIVE TIMES while they were on the ground and no longer a threat and causing severe damage in the process. I saw the video and it stopped being self defence after the 38 second mark. Both sides need to be punished by LAW for these actions and no, I don't think either side deserves permenant brain damage.
