MCU Casualties

[Zontar]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the inciting incident Cap jailbreaking Bucky? So an Avenger springs a known terrorist on top of all previous shenanigans.

A known terrorist involved in one of said previous shenanigans on top of it all.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

It is a low number. The MCU doesn't make any sense. A few terrorists in Paris managed to kill more people in a few hours than aliens managed in the entire New York. Superheroes or no superheroes that doesn't make any fuckin' sense.
And that's why we have this thing called suspension of disbelief.

This "Avengers need to be held accountable" is the most sci-fi thing in this franchise too. Especially since no government on Earth could possibly tell someone like Thor what to do, and Tony Stark could simply buy the corrupt US government the way corporations do all the time.

If you look at death statistics, things like terrorist attacks are so low on the list that intelligence agencies really shouldn't have nearly as much power as they have. And most drug related crimes could be solved by simply legalizing most drugs so law enforcement agencies should be stripped of some of that power too. But the government doesn't seem to care too much about law enforcement accountability or its own accountability. Avengers on the other hand are the only ones equipped to take on alien threat. Yet the government is worried about their accountability. Because plot reasons. Nothing makes sense. So take it easy. It's just a silly superhero movie.

 

[Cicada 5]

The thing is that the MCU movies has always made it a big deal that they try to prevent casualties. It's not like they were Man of Steeling it and hoping people could survive two super powered beings ramming through their living room at the speed of sound. In Avengers 2, we see Tony send the Iron Legion in to protect the people in a local village, for example. In Avengers, they were making an effort to keep the fighting contained and making the effort to protect civilian populations, like when Cap went to protect that diner.

I won't say that I think those numbers are realistic, but in universe it makes sense that the casualties aren't absolutely catastrophic.

That's just it. The idea that casualties are this low is too straining on suspension of disbelief. Showing a higher body count won't make these people less herois, just show they have limits.

Limits they don't really have. Limits that only exist for the sake of telling a story, instead of a 2 minute confrontation and then the end credits. Comics are fun, cheap theater. If you're looking for something that's internally consistent, this was never the medium.

It's simple isn't it? If their regular activities led to a few megadeaths, it would be a completely different story. Since these are comic books, there is no more justification needed, any more than there is to bring a character back from the grave.

Superhero comics have changed a lot from what they were like in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 80 etc. And clearly, it's not just a few deaths considering the plot of Civil War. Saying "it's fiction, ignore it" isn't a valid excuse. I might as well be watching Looney Tunes.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Those casualty numbers are ludicrously small, but I imagine they're rather hesitant to ascribe a massive death count to the Avengers, since at the end of the day this is a Captain America film and I find it highly unlikely they want audience sympathies stacked squarely against him.

As a hypothetical, the concept of "accountability for super beings" is desirable, without going into the absurdity of attempting to figure out how that would work on a nuts and bolts level. In the actual film, I suspect the plan they're presented with is going to be deeply problematic on at least one level. They've already laid the ground work for that in Winter Soldier.

 

[Cicada 5]

The thing is that the MCU movies has always made it a big deal that they try to prevent casualties. It's not like they were Man of Steeling it and hoping people could survive two super powered beings ramming through their living room at the speed of sound. In Avengers 2, we see Tony send the Iron Legion in to protect the people in a local village, for example. In Avengers, they were making an effort to keep the fighting contained and making the effort to protect civilian populations, like when Cap went to protect that diner.

I won't say that I think those numbers are realistic, but in universe it makes sense that the casualties aren't absolutely catastrophic.

That's just it. The idea that casualties are this low is too straining on suspension of disbelief. Showing a higher body count won't make these people less herois, just show they have limits.

Limits they don't really have. Limits that only exist for the sake of telling a story, instead of a 2 minute confrontation and then the end credits. Comics are fun, cheap theater. If you're looking for something that's internally consistent, this was never the medium.

It's simple isn't it? If their regular activities led to a few megadeaths, it would be a completely different story. Since these are comic books, there is no more justification needed, any more than there is to bring a character back from the grave.

Superhero comics have changed a lot from what they were like in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 80 etc. And clearly, it's not just a few deaths considering the plot of Civil War. Saying "it's fiction, ignore it" isn't a valid excuse. I might as well be watching Looney Tunes.

I said, "They're COMIC BOOKS" ignore it. Not "It's fiction". Biiiiiiiiiiig difference. "Fiction" includes Hemingway. "Comic Books" do not.

"It's comic books" isn't much of an excuse either.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Compared to fan theories that like four hundred thousand billion people died in the Superman/Zod fight, I'd say this balances it out well enough.

And to be fair, the aliens and RoboCop were comically(no pun intended) stupid and bad at their jobs. I mean the Avengers tried to control the New York Invasion, and the aliens, who have technology thousands of years more advanced than ours, totally let them. Imagine today's American Marines letting the ancient Romans direct and control a battle in ancient Rome. Not likely.

And Big-O? Come on, ONE town?! Get like 4. From all around the world. Different continents. The Avengers are a team, meaning they have to be together. If you divide them once the world ends. Three or more and its overkill.

So am I shocked by like 200 people dying? No, not really. I don't think those 'villains' were capable of doing more than that.