ME3 ending standing up against bioware.

[Deathmageddon]

Two words, bro... SHERLOCK HOLMES.

The author tried to kill him off, but enough people were upset that he was written back to life. Now BioWare is in in Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's shoes. It's not unusual or unreasonable. BioWare failed to provide closure for their fans and, as happy as this whole thing has made me, it's up to them to satisfy that need.

 

[boag]

Woooow. I just realized something.

Creative work

That you did not make.

You have no right to try to make Bioware change the ending of ME3, its a creative work that THEY worked hard on, you didn't do anything and raging about it on the internet is not going to change anything. Bioware said they won't change the ending I'm pretty sure as well, and starting a charity to CHANGE their mind? Thats a low blow. Hey we are donating for children if you don't change the ME3 ending you are against helping children is basically what is going on. If you buy a piece of art and don't like it, you don't go over to the artist and tell him to change it. They worked hard on it, so what gives you the right to spit in their face and tell them that they need to change the ending?

Note, I'm being realistic. Don't get upset and state your point validly. Otherwise don't post.

EDIT: The ending wasn't good, but I didn't think it was as bad as people are raving about, yeah it was copy pasted but the OVERALL ending wasn't bad at all, life sucks then you die. I knew something like that was going to happen.

Some people are taking the matter too far claiming it to be the WORST THING EVER, when in fact its just a bad ending.

Thematically, it goes agaisnt everything you worked for, either Renegade or Paragon.

Interactively, It shifts the game from a multiple choice branching game to a single unifying outcome that doesnt take into consideration anything you did before.

And from a story telling perspective, it leaves you without any closure, the Final Galaxy Changing event, happens no matter what choice you pick and you do not get to see the consequences of your actions leading up to it, it lacks an Epilogue to fill you in on what your choices meant to the whole story.

 

[Blachman201_v1legacy]

i hear a a lot of i hate this ending because its not the normal sappy happy modern day fairy tale ending. you know fairy tales weren't always like the Disney remakes.

It is indeed true that quite a few people want that happy ending, but I have also seen posts from countless others who admit to enjoy bittersweet or even downer endings, who was very disappointed with what they got too.

The general consensus is that we just want a satisfying ending that provides prober closure to Shepard's story, as well as the characters and the universe we have grown attached to over the years.

 

[Bradeck]

Funny that you chose a piece of art as your metaphoric example. Because, if I commission a painting of a dog, and the artist takes two years and hands me a great picture of a cat, I am fully within my rights to send it back to the artist and tell him it's not what I paid for.

Now, if you are reffering to sight unseen art, then that is a different story. But then why would you buy a piece of art you have never seen? That's pretty foolish. Same goes with anything else. Cars, food, movies, books. You are lead to believe the car will be good, the food will be good. Here are our reviews, here is a description of the item, here's what it looks like, here's a sample, here, test drive this car to see if it's what you want. No one buys something sight unseen in the real world, unless, you are a gambler. Gambling is a habit based off chance however, and you are not buying a product.

ME3 was supposed to be, for all intensive purposes, be a very good game, with a lot of really great features, and a capstone ending that ends the series and brings closure to the trilogy. Thats what we had been lead to believe, even while playing the game. Instead, what we got was something completely different. A MONTH before buying the game, they told us if we wanted the 100% complete game, we needed to buy a DLC. Then, they went back on their promise of closure, and gave us a shitty ending that can obviously be exploited for future sequels on down the road.

Imagine buying a car, completing all the paperwork, conducting the test drive, checking with review sites, checking the competition, and finally deciding to go for it. Then, at the last signiture, the dealer says, "Hey! This just in! If you spend an extra 15% of the total cost of the car, you can have the spare tire in the back of the car!" Wait, that doesn't come standard? While it does not affect the function of the car in anyway, it's nice to have, and will likely come in very useful. Why is it not standard?

So you buy it, drive it off the lot, and then after 10k miles, the car no longer runs, but functioned flawlessly up until then. WTF? I didn't buy a car, just to have it's last hurrah be a giant piece of shit. Same with ME3.

You don't buy sight unseen, you don't pay extra for that which should be standard, and you don't pay for a product with built in obsolescence.

 

[lacktheknack]

In my days you couldn't even get bugs fixed, now people ***** about anything.

Yep. In my day a beloved RPG series that ran for 20 years completely fell apart in the final game, which was riddled with game crippling bugs, horrible game play, and bizarre character and lore breaking retcons. It was never fixed, and the series collapsed and fell into obscurity, later to be turned into an ambitious but troubled MMO and then later into a soul destroying Facebook game.

Man, am I ever glad we're not in those fucking days any more, and games with screwed up endings, like Fallout 3, sometimes get fixed.

I can't tell if you're being serious in reference to Ultima, or sardonic in reference to something else.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I can't tell if you're being serious in reference to Ultima, or sardonic in reference to something else.

Really? You can't tell? Should I have included a picture of Richard Garriott fiddling about in his castle, playing with his secret doors?

 

[lacktheknack]

I can't tell if you're being serious in reference to Ultima, or sardonic in reference to something else.

Really? You can't tell? Should I have included a picture of Richard Garriott fiddling about in his castle, playing with his secret doors?

Yes.



Re-reading it now, it's a lot more obvious. Sorry.

 

[boag]

Funny that you chose a piece of art as your metaphoric example. Because, if I commission a painting of a dog, and the artist takes two years and hands me a great picture of a cat, I am fully within my rights to send it back to the artist and tell him it's not what I paid for.

Now, if you are reffering to sight unseen art, then that is a different story. But then why would you buy a piece of art you have never seen? That's pretty foolish. Same goes with anything else. Cars, food, movies, books. You are lead to believe the car will be good, the food will be good. Here are our reviews, here is a description of the item, here's what it looks like, here's a sample, here, test drive this car to see if it's what you want. No one buys something sight unseen in the real world, unless, you are a gambler. Gambling is a habit based off chance however, and you are not buying a product.

ME3 was supposed to be, for all intensive purposes, be a very good game, with a lot of really great features, and a capstone ending that ends the series and brings closure to the trilogy. Thats what we had been lead to believe, even while playing the game. Instead, what we got was something completely different. A MONTH before buying the game, they told us if we wanted the 100% complete game, we needed to buy a DLC. Then, they went back on their promise of closure, and gave us a shitty ending that can obviously be exploited for future sequels on down the road.

Imagine buying a car, completing all the paperwork, conducting the test drive, checking with review sites, checking the competition, and finally deciding to go for it. Then, at the last signiture, the dealer says, "Hey! This just in! If you spend an extra 15% of the total cost of the car, you can have the spare tire in the back of the car!" Wait, that doesn't come standard? While it does not affect the function of the car in anyway, it's nice to have, and will likely come in very useful. Why is it not standard?

So you buy it, drive it off the lot, and then after 10k miles, the car no longer runs, but functioned flawlessly up until then. WTF? I didn't buy a car, just to have it's last hurrah be a giant piece of shit. Same with ME3.

You don't buy sight unseen, you don't pay extra for that which should be standard, and you don't pay for a product with built in obsolescence.

The thing is, ME3 is a REALLY GOOD GAME, which is why the ending just sort of feels rushed.

 

[Zorgy]

The game was excellent and the ending was atrocious. I'd very much like to see it changed (fat chance of that!) but that's not my main issue with the clusterfuck of a situation. No, what annoys me most is that Bioware flat out lied to us about what the ending would be.

ME3 ending spoiler:

Spoiler

There are more quotes floating around from pre release interviews mentioning how open the ending would be, all of it was disingenuous bullshit designed to reel people in. The lack of respect or honesty on display is positively disgusting in my book. Completely gutted that Bioware would stoop to such lows and (as some theorise) if this was all intentional in order to drive up sales of a "true ending" dlc that that is down right wrong. An utter betrayal of a loyal fanbase.

But sure, go ahead and call me "entitled". Entitled because I'm pissed off that the product I bought was mis-advertised quite deliberately and blatantly? Sure, OK.

 

[Hyper-space]

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You didn't commission Mass Effect, they offered you a product THAT THEY MADE WITHOUT YOUR INPUT. PERIOD.

As a writer when you write a story you have a duty to the work and to your audience to actually write an ending.

Did the game abruptly end in the middle of a fight? Is the ending missing? No?

Then what the fuck are you talking about? Just because YOU personally did not like the ending doesn't mean that it is somehow invalid or incorrect. Imagine if people were to start demanding re-writes of movies or books just because it did not conform to their subjective opinion. Jesus fucking Christ, this is getting embarrassing.

Whenever someone paints gamers as immature, childish and entitled, they will look to this whole outrage for proof.

 

[Worgen]

By that logic no one haqs any right to ***** about lucas messing with the original starwars.

 

[teh_Canape]

I don't see how its a bad ending, its not great and they kinda backed themselves into a corner that they will have to pull out some fancy stuff to continue the series.

that and, seriously, if they instead worked on making endings that fit any single set of choices every player made, ME3 would pretty much be released along with HL3

 

[boag]

I just want an epilogue, I want to know what my choices accomplished through out the games.

how much the last choice fucked over the Galaxy.

And why the Fuck Joker fled like tool, when in ME2 he came back to rescue me from the Collector Base.

 

[Bradeck]

Funny that you chose a piece of art as your metaphoric example. Because, if I commission a painting of a dog, and the artist takes two years and hands me a great picture of a cat, I am fully within my rights to send it back to the artist and tell him it's not what I paid for.

A more appropriate metaphor would be that you commissioned "a painting". Maybe you THOUGHT you specified that it be a painting of a dog, but there was no creative input on your part. Then you get a painting of a cat, and are upset that it's not the painting that you wanted. And now you're angry at the painter, that he didn't make the painting you thought he would, and you demand to not only have him make a new painting, but you insist that you should get that new painting for free, despite how much time and effort the painter put into his work, and further insist that he was just money-grubbing with his original painting.

ME3 was supposed to be, for all intensive purposes, be a very good game, with a lot of really great features, and a capstone ending that ends the series and brings closure to the trilogy. Thats what we had been lead to believe, even while playing the game. Instead, what we got was something completely different. A MONTH before buying the game, they told us if we wanted the 100% complete game, we needed to buy a DLC. Then, they went back on their promise of closure, and gave us a shitty ending that can obviously be exploited for future sequels on down the road.

The ending ends the series and brings closure to the trilogy, it doesn't bring closure to the entire universe. It's the end of the story arc that stars Commander Shepard. It is "an ending", not "the ending". I have to imagine that future games in the Mass Effect universe will either take place something like 100 years after the endings of Mass Effect 3, or possibly even be a prequel, taking place in a prior extinction cycle perhaps.

Oh, and bringing up the DLC is completely irrelevant, since it has absolutely fuck-all to do with the ending of the game, and is 100% optional content.

You don't buy sight unseen, you don't pay extra for that which should be standard, and you don't pay for a product with built in obsolescence.

Except you do buy sight unseen, as until you read the book, you haven't actually read the book, and once you finish reading the book, no matter how many times you go back and read it over, the ending doesn't change.

And "should be standard" is subjective, not objective. If you buy a car, you have the option of paying extra for Satellite radio, or not paying extra and just going with AM/FM Stereo CD. You can buy the DLC and enrich your experience, or you can not buy it and only miss out on an optional feature.

I like the way you reframed my points. Your arguments make a lot of sense. My only comment would be the end, where you say you do buy sight unseen. Have you ever walked into a book store, stared at the floor, walked up to a random book shelf, picked a book at random, and bought it? I don't believe you if you say yes. Because we process a great deal of info before we purchase that book. For me at least, I look at the cover, the description on the back, the reviews, the first few pages where comparable authors have written what they think, etc. There is also book review sites and the store likely has info graphics as well, showing the book for sale, and about it. The news may talk about it. It might be featured in a magazine we read, or on a website we frequent. You may think you purchase sight unseen, but we rarely if ever make 100% uninformed choices before purchasing.

As far as how that relates to ME3, well, from what I had read, what I had seen, and what I had experienced in the previous two iterations, I was under the premise that the story would have taken a different arc. But, you are right, it is NOT my decision how they write their story. I am only the consumer, not the producer. Perfectly valid point.

Allow me to state then I am not advocating a change in the ending, simply stating I feel the ending does not mesh with what I was expecting. I am not butt hurt, or calling for a boycott. I simply see alot of people displeased with the ending, and I think I speak for a large portion of them.

As far as the analogy, I want to add that at no time did EA or BW promise me my version of an ending.

 

[spectrenihlus]

Since when is it entitlement to expect the same amount of quality in the ending as the rest of the game has?

 

[Hyper-space]

Well what makes an ending invalid are stupid plotholes and silly deus machina bullshit.

...What?

Are we just making up rules, all of the sudden? An ending is what it is, if the developers forgot to make an ending, like literally ran out of money at the last minute and all of the sudden your screen just cuts to black in the middle of a fight, then yeah. They would not have an ending.

However, opinions =/= facts, meaning that the ending to Mass Effect 3 IS A FUCKING ENDING AND OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE I HAVE TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THIS. FUCK.

[HEADING=1]WHY DOES THE VIDEO-GAME COMMUNITY HAVE TO STOOP TO SUCH INTELLECTUAL LOWS? WHY CANNOT WE APPROACH THIS MEDIUM WITH THE SAME MATURITY AS WE APPROACH LITERATURE OR FILM?[/HEADING]

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Well what makes an ending invalid are stupid plotholes and silly deus machina bullshit.

...What?

Are we just making up rules, all of the sudden? An ending is what it is, if the developers forgot to make an ending, like literally ran out of money at the last minute and all of the sudden your screen just cuts to black in the middle of a fight, then yeah. They would not have an ending.

However, opinions =/= facts, meaning that the ending to Mass Effect 3 IS A FUCKING ENDING AND OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE I HAVE TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THIS. FUCK.

[HEADING=1]WHY DOES THE VIDEO-GAME COMMUNITY HAVE TO STOOP TO SUCH INTELLECTUAL LOWS? WHY CANNOT WE APPROACH THIS MEDIUM WITH THE SAME MATURITY AS WE APPROACH LITERATURE OR FILM?[/HEADING]

Uhhhhh, the same thing happens in other media. Fans personally retcon stuff all the time.