ME3 ending standing up against bioware.

[AD-Stu]

By that logic no one haqs any right to ***** about lucas messing with the original starwars.

To be fair, I don't think anyone bitching about George Lucas messing with Star Wars actually expects him to go back and re-shoot the film to their liking.

That said, with the possible exception of silencing Jar Jar Binks in the later prequels George Lucas doesn't have a history of giving a toss what his fans think - Bioware do.

 

[Yopaz]

Uhm, you're basically saying that we have no right to judge something we didn't make. I agree that people are complaining too much about Mass Effect 3 or games in general, but seriously you say we don't have the right to judge if we like it or not. If we weren't supposed to judge then all games would be perfect because the creator of the game said it was perfect and we're simply not getting it.

What if you got what you wanted. They change the ending. Theres just going to be another group of angry fanboys who hate that ending, and also a group of people that dont like the fact that EA-ioware arefucking with the story in the first place. imo the entirety of ME2 was EA fucking with the story, now I bitched and moaned that game's story took a turn for the retarded, but I didnt ask them to change it, i just bailed. EA has a tendency to affect me like that.

I have already stated that I misunderstood this however if you read my post you can see that I think we have the right to judge if we like something or not. I do not say we have the right to demand it to change, so please go back to my post and actually read what I said or alternatively bold out where I said the ending should be rewritten.

 

[Blachman201_v1legacy]

Agreed, they don't have to change it. If they feel they don't owe their fans anything then they don't have to do anything. They're well within their rights to stand by their works and defend them, and we as fans, will have to accept that.

On the flip side, pissed off fans are well within their rights to say that they think the ending sucks. And they're within their rights to ask Bioware if they could change it. Bioware doesn't have to and then the fans will have to get over it. And if the fans don't like that, then they have a right not to buy anymore Bioware/EA products.

It's a tough issue, but placating the fans still goes a long way in this industry. I think Bioware will act on fan complaints, if only to earn back some good standing.

Forbes actually has a pretty interesting article on that subject:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/03/12/how-bioware-could-find-redemption-using-mass-effect-3/

And they are right, no matter what opinion people might have on them, it is rather hard to deny that DA2, TOR, and the ending of ME3 have done some considerable damage to BioWare's image. They are in need of some goodwill from their fans.

 

[Yearlongjester]

Ok, you thought the ending was valid. That's cool, I didn't. Plenty of people didn't, and that's the problem. Everything in this trilogy has built up to that moment and it was not what was expected. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but it also didn't gel with the rest of the game, completely invalidated your previous decisions, and overall felt arbitrary. Honestly, other than a few reference the entirety of the Catalyst and Synthetics vs. Organics war was shoehorned.

I've heard the argument that it's realistic and "what did you think was going to happen? Happy endings are silly and not for manly men!" or something to that effect. Point being I can wake up tomorrow morning and a plane crashed into my house and kills me, and yes that is a valid ending to my life. People die every day and that's sad and tragic. But this isn't reality. This is a video game, a simulated and crafted adventure. Made by people who have said and shown time and time again that MY DECISIONS MATTER. I can die in whatever random way because honestly I'm nobody. Commander Shepard is the protagonist, he's the proxy for all the players and the conduit for our emotional bond with this franchise. Bioware has profited from that, and has to do that justice.

The fact that the ending would've been better if they had just had Shepard blown up by the Reaper laser is a testament to how bad it is. Perhaps people don't have the right to demand a different ending but by all rights we are entitled to ask for one. And if Bioware was smart and wanted to retain their fanbase they would. And for free, although we all know that'll never happen.

 

[Aeonknight]

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You didn't commission Mass Effect, they offered you a product THAT THEY MADE WITHOUT YOUR INPUT. PERIOD.

As a writer when you write a story you have a duty to the work and to your audience to actually write an ending.

Did the game abruptly end in the middle of a fight? Is the ending missing? No?

Then what the fuck are you talking about? Just because YOU personally did not like the ending doesn't mean that it is somehow invalid or incorrect. Imagine if people were to start demanding re-writes of movies or books just because it did not conform to their subjective opinion. Jesus fucking Christ, this is getting embarrassing.

Whenever someone paints gamers as immature, childish and entitled, they will look to this whole outrage for proof.

Indeed good sir. I haven't played the Mass Effect series, and no real plans to. But the sheer amount of bitching is just ridiculous.

I give props to Bioware/EA for having the balls to say "fuck you" to the playerbase. They are the developers, you are not. Until you get off your ass and start making games yourself, don't expect anyone to take your bitching seriously.

 

[xPixelatedx]

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If it was a bad ending or not is not the real discussion. Factually speaking, ME3 is a shoddy product because it's based on false advertising. They make a game series based on the choices the player makes, and connected the choices for three games straight. They obviously implied to have done this for a reason, and that was the 'big sell' of the third installment. Then the end finally happens, which really has nothing to do with the choices players made, even a little. People are not upset because every possible outcome wasn't available, they are upset because only ONE outcome is available. The three possible endings are exactly the same, just different hues. This is ending we got is not the ending to a series built upon it's popularity of choices and outcomes. Everyone who invested any real time in this series was robbed, because that time spent amounted to no conclusion.

However if you are a teenager who just picked the game up and played the "action mode", I can understand why you wouldn't care about the ending as it stands.

 

[xPixelatedx]

Indeed good sir. I haven't played the Mass Effect series, and no real plans to. But the sheer amount of bitching is just ridiculous.

I give props to Bioware/EA for having the balls to say "fuck you" to the playerbase. They are the developers, you are not. Until you get off your ass and start making games yourself, don't expect anyone to take your bitching seriously.

I have not played the series yet either, but I am sure it will be supar kooool because I am a gamer, and I just buy games; it's not my position to delve any further then that. Also, I should inform you I am not a film director, so I obviously have no room to criticize Uwe Boll's movies. I am also not a chef, so I can't really complain about the food they serve at that gas station; the one with the mold on all it's bread. And finally I am not a politician, so everything that has been done in American politics these last 12 years is simply out of my scope of understanding.

Phew, what a relief it is to not have an opinion or critique about anything, like a good, simple person.

 

[Aeonknight]

Indeed good sir. I haven't played the Mass Effect series, and no real plans to. But the sheer amount of bitching is just ridiculous.

I give props to Bioware/EA for having the balls to say "fuck you" to the playerbase. They are the developers, you are not. Until you get off your ass and start making games yourself, don't expect anyone to take your bitching seriously.

I have not played the series yet either, but I am sure it will be supar kooool because I am a gamer, and I just buy games; it's not my position to delve any further then that. Also, I should inform you I am not a film director, so I obviously have no room to criticize Uwe Boll's movies. I am also not a chef, so I can't really complain about the food they serve at that gas station; the one with the mold on all it's bread. And finally I am not a politician, so everything that has been done in American politics these last 12 years is simply out of my scope of understanding.

Phew, what a relief it is to not have an opinion or critique about anything, like a good, simple person.

Cute. You missed one thing though.

There's a difference between simply having an opinion, and trying to force your opinion onto others. Demanding that bioware change the ending cause you didn't like it is douchebaggery at it's finest.

They don't owe you anything else. And considering how wide their audience is, it is literally impossible for them to create an ending that will please everyone.

People wanted the finale, Bioware delivered. Don't like it? Then make your own and shut the fuck up.

 

[FFHAuthor]

Game makers have the right to demand more of us, the consumers, than any other form of media demands of it's consumers. They demand more money for the experience, they demand more time for that experience to reach it's conclusion, they demand more rights over what they create, they demand more and they make demands over not the intellectual property but the actual physical items themselves.

If someone said that JRR Tolkien's estate owned every copy of the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, don't you think you'd laugh at that thought? Game developers tell us that they DO own every copy ever made of their games.

Those game makers demand more from us, we have a right as consumers to be permitted to demand more from them. We have a right to demand quality. We have a right to demand accuracy, and we have a right to demand consistency. We are asked to give more to enjoy a product, and in doing so, those game creators have made it inevitable that their consumers will demand more in return for all the rights and concessions that we willingly (perhaps begrudgingly) permit them.

 

[krection]

Ummmmmmm. Yes. We do have the right to ask the ending to be changed. We legally bought the game. It is now ours. We can do whatever we damn please. I thought the ending was shit. I want Bioware to change it. I have every right to do that, especially considering I paid $60 for the game, I want the ending I paid for, not a piece of shit taped on the game. If you think we shouldn't ask for a different ending, then that's fine. Bitching about us only makes yourself look just as bad as you're making us to be. If you don't protest the ending, fine. It's obviously none of your business then.

 

[Something Amyss]

Its EA and Bioware's fault that the endings are bad. All the consumers are doing is offering EA to redeem themselves in the fanbase's eyes. If they don't then good luck getting their respect again.

More like demanding a change because they don't like the way things turned out. This isn't going to redeem them to the majority.

I don't agree with the original poster, but the drama queens who are the ones by and large screaming are not exactly "offering" anything.

 

[Your Fearless Captain]

I have every right to complain about something I thought was stupid. If I don't like your art I'll tell you I don't like and what I would change. Just because it's something "creative" doesn't make it immune to criticism.

 

[FFHAuthor]

Wait, I don't get it, when exactly did physical ownership become an issue as regards to the ending?

It's not in regards to the ending, it's simply in regards to one of the things that the games industry demands of it's consumers that no other medium demands of it's consumers.

 

[Your Fearless Captain]

I have every right to complain about something I thought was stupid. If I don't like your art I'll tell you I don't like and what I would change. Just because it's something "creative" doesn't make it immune to criticism.

And just because you tell them what you don't like, and what you would change, doesn't mean that they have any obligation to actually make those changes.

I never said they have to change anything, just that I have a right to critique whatever I want.

 

[samaugsch]

Well what makes an ending invalid are stupid plotholes and silly deus machina bullshit.

...What?

Are we just making up rules, all of the sudden? An ending is what it is, if the developers forgot to make an ending, like literally ran out of money at the last minute and all of the sudden your screen just cuts to black in the middle of a fight, then yeah. They would not have an ending.

However, opinions =/= facts, meaning that the ending to Mass Effect 3 IS A FUCKING ENDING AND OH MY GOD I CANNOT BELIEVE I HAVE TO TELL YOU PEOPLE THIS. FUCK.

[HEADING=1]WHY DOES THE VIDEO-GAME COMMUNITY HAVE TO STOOP TO SUCH INTELLECTUAL LOWS? WHY CANNOT WE APPROACH THIS MEDIUM WITH THE SAME MATURITY AS WE APPROACH LITERATURE OR FILM?[/HEADING]

Probably because whatever happens to the protagonist in films and literature doesn't feel like it's your fault. Video games are different because you're controlling the character. I think what people don't like is that they don't feel as important in the third game as they did in the previous 2 because the ending is basically the same in all 3. They feel more like a side character than the main character. Considering that this is a game series that advertises that your choices affect the outcome of what happens in the future, I guess this is a pretty big slap in the player's faces.