Ashley would have made me reconsider Liara XD There's really no other good lesbian choice than Liara though. I wish Jack was a lesbian romance option, because my femshep was a bit like that.
ME3: .....gay romance......why Kaiden and not Ashly?
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what? shepard being blonde?Kahunaburger said:
it was the hair "style" people voted for..and then (surprise surprise) she got voted again as having red hair
and I think new femshep default turned out great, and to be completly honest better than anything I could have constructed myself,
Hmm... I do see it as odd, and Default Shepard already has got a lot more romance options than FemShep. Maybe it was just quicker for Kaiden to discover himself than Ashley, maybe it's all about Ashley being a Christian. Meh, no who really knows.
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No, the whole "beauty contest" thing. How much more can they miss the point of what makes FemShep a breath of fresh air?Vault101 said:
I can see how it can be seen as that..definetlyKahunaburger said:
but IMO its not about that, its about recognising femshep as eaqual to maleshep
who got the custom apearance, who got the boxart, the trailers, the promotional material...and has lead many to belive he is "canon"
Im going to be honest, the charachter creator is a ***** to work with, some people make it work..true enough..and spending time creating your own charachter is odten satisfying (if not a little frustrating when ever you see them at that certain angle) I honestly was glad to at least have the option of a femshep whp has been given her own image, it somtimes annoyed me that I had my play dough faced shepard in compariosn to miranda (YES Miranda may be uncanny...but thats Miranda..its her unique look)
the femshep we got in-game (as I said) I think turned out great, yeah, she's pretty but more importantly she's not a Miranda, she [i/]feels[/i] like femshep, and in some ways isnt even that different to her original "default" you could almost say shes a more polished version of that
hell I even thourght that the final concept imagage looked a little young, but in game I think she looks just right
the thing is I really dont care....it was a thing that caused a little controversy...and opinions (neither right nor wrong) and then we got the final product...and that was that
its not that I cant see your point, its more that I see it in a different way (dear god I sound liek the illusive man)
I saw that whole debacle as a demonstration of how both Bioware and most of their fanbase subscribe to outdated and sexist notions re: the appearance of female characters.Vault101 said:
I think the answer is entirely clear cut: because Ashley simply isn't gay/bi. Any curiosity she might have on the subject is neatly taken care of by xenophobia.
Honestly, it has been a question that has bugged me every time I stop and think about most of the interspecies stuff in Mass Effect. Because an Asari looks more or less like a person we take for granted that their reproductive act is mechanically compatible with that of a human. Garrus/Femshep raises similar questions regarding the mechanical reality of sex.
Thus the point you raise is excellent. There is no particular reason to believe that any two species have sexual acts that are even mechanically compatible. If you just use life on earth as an example, once you get outside of Mammals, sexual reproduction gets weird in a hurry. And, to use that as an exmaple, if one were willing to attempt sexual acts with something strange like a somehow sentient pilot fish (Or a Hanar I guess to use something odd from the ME universe), would one particularly care about gender? Crossing that species line seems like a far bolder step than the gender line especially considering that outside of one species there is no chance of reproduction anyhow. Hell, it'd probably be safer for all involved if Garrus got together with Male Shepard.
I'm not sure, to be honest. Mechanisms of reproduction are relatively unknown across most species. For example, "sex" with an Asari doesn't seem as though it would involve penetration of any sort. Given that the "father's" contribution to Asari DNA is as a random element, it would stand to reason they wouldn't be particularly picky about which cells DNA came from. If you further consider that direct fluid and tissue transfer would be highly harmful from at least two of the species in the Galaxy (Turian/Quarian), or that some relationships like Asari/Krogan would be mecanically improbable one starts to wonder just how an Asari has sex.Leodiensian said:
Honestly, it has been a question that has bugged me every time I stop and think about most of the interspecies stuff in Mass Effect. Because an Asari looks more or less like a person we take for granted that their reproductive act is mechanically compatible with that of a human. Garrus/Femshep raises similar questions regarding the mechanical reality of sex.
Thus the point you raise is excellent. There is no particular reason to believe that any two species have sexual acts that are even mechanically compatible. If you just use life on earth as an example, once you get outside of Mammals, sexual reproduction gets weird in a hurry. And, to use that as an exmaple, if one were willing to attempt sexual acts with something strange like a somehow sentient pilot fish (Or a Hanar I guess to use something odd from the ME universe), would one particularly care about gender? Crossing that species line seems like a far bolder step than the gender line especially considering that outside of one species there is no chance of reproduction anyhow. Hell, it'd probably be safer for all involved if Garrus got together with Male Shepard.
Liara isnt technically a lesbian choice......(but she is) I feel put off at the Idea of romancing Liara...I actually think shes a good charachter,(espeiclaly by the end)Wenseph said:
but I feel bad becaue it feels like she was "constructed" to be a desireable romance option..you know? Id feel like some dirty pervert looking at Anime <-I know that might not make snese but its hard to articulate
I actually like Specalist Traynor, I just feel it isnt as satisfying ot have a romance by thte third one than it is to have one thats been around from the start (even if they are absent in ME2)
Well, you shouldn't romance a corpse....Mr Pantomime said:
OT: Probably because FemShep has always been able to be a lesbian, so they were just creating options for ManShep. (And yes, I know Liara, with her woman's voice, tits, and vagina, is totally not gender-specific, and so is absolutely not a lesbian romance option.)
it was hardly a debarcleKahunaburger said:
and theres a big different between shepard looking like a 16 year old prom queen and a troll creature
but as I said, its one of those issues (often with many issues involving sexism) that ususally involve alot of hot debate
I would honestly point to Skyrim as an even better example. While I'm quite sure there are plenty of creepy mods out there already, the one that really raised an eyebrow was the "clean faces" one. It made perfect sense that people who lived in Skyrim would be filthy and yet one of the first things modders did was create something that violated what was reasonable in the universe to suit particular (I'd guess largely sexual) tastes. Hell, every Bethesda game has a modding community that works tirelessly to create content so that one can customize their characters and the vast majority of this content, from body meshes to skins to armor (most of the time, armor is firmly encased in quotes) is designed for females.Kahunaburger said:
In spite of claims to the contrary, the modding community and the popularity of downloads for any of a dozen games shows an undeniable trend of turning the player characters into little more than dress up dolls. While I'm sure there are many arguments as to why, I think what it often comes down to is simply that people are using the PC as a surrogate relationship. And unlike normal people, the character in a video game is easily mutable in many cases.
This is why, if you examine the basic trend of the arguments about character sexuality, people focus on the sexuality choice of the PC. People rarely stop and consider the sexuality of the NPCs. The easy answer is simply that Ashley isn't gay or bi. That she isn't is consistent with other known aspects of her character. The same goes for Liara - the whole "mono-gendered" thing makes it reasonable that Asari simply would not care about gender and the fact that intra-species reproduction is somewhat taboo, the idea that they would choose human mates is perfectly reasonable.
that is trueTimeLord said:
hence why I get (and am glad) that Tali woulnt romance femshep, and Garrus male shep
(but then as the other guy said since they are aliens its odd they subscrib to our Ideas of sexuality..if your gonna bang a human is their gender such an issue at this point? youve already flown past the "different" line at lightspeed) then again some species share similar gener related features (like the drell and quarian)
anyway..going off on a tangent there
like I said, I was going off the fact that ash is Kaidens counterpart (and that it wa planned but later cut originally)
but as people have said...since its never ben an option theres nothing out of charachter there
thats creepy, in skyrim my charachter looked like she had seen better days (I think my mum actually commented "cant you amek her look prettyer?....and can you get a dress?")Eclectic Dreck said:
and yeah...dont get me wrong..I "get" the fact that other NPC's might have alignments of their own
but as I just replied to somone else..it was just the "ash/kainden counterpart" thing and the fact it was originally intended
The anime thing doesn't make any sense, you're right, but I doubt you watch anime... If you had said Hentai, it would have made more sense >_>Vault101 said:
Liara is the best romance option, especially with the Shadow broker DLC, which added quite a bit to the romance in ME2. If she was written to be that, then why should I care for someone else in the same way. She works with all shepards.
Jack is very likeable to me, so I would like to romance her, but I'm not going to play maleshep just for that.