ME3 Prothean DLC on disc after all

[Tanakh]

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WB dude, careful with that perma ban... nahh, who am I kidding, chances are you WILL be perma banned

 

[Simonoly]

Well the fan outrage is spread across a vast spectrum ranging from the justifiably concerned to the down-right petty. Some people are genuinely concerned of the state of the game and what this dlc issue means (which is good!), but it's all watered down by some quite vile feedback and responses from the less thoughtful ME gamers. To be honest, the only videos I've come across on Youtube in regards to this issue are more confused videos on Jennifer Hepler and other misinformed speculative user commentaries. I haven't seen anything from Bioware staff, but if there our videos out there I'd be happy to watch. The only times I witnessed someone being banned from the BSN forums (if that's what you're referring to) is when they've gone completely crazy and insulted pretty much everyone else in the forum. But again, if people are being banned for simply being critical then I'd be happy to see where this is happening.

Oh what a mess this whole thing is! Still, at least the game is actually quite good. I suppose this is all a testament to the relative success of the Mass Effect series. There wouldn't be any sort of public backlash if nobody cared about the game.

http://youtu.be/XT9UDRbjm94

Haha sounds like Ellen Page. Those are some harsh moderators there! Oh dear Bioware.

 

[ThriKreen]

Lol, it went gold 13 Feb 2012, it was realeased 6 March 2012, that proves that from gold to the market they need 3 weeks. Also, you can find pirate day 1 digital copies from the game which can be cracked to include the dlc with a 21 MB file, meaning that there is at least one day 1 digital copie that included the DLC and the game, bundled and certified; that copy didn't magically get there, as fast as it might be to publish a digital game it will still take couple of days at least after the betatesting was done to get there.

So, on day one you have a at least days old digital copy bundled with the DLC, and it takes them 3 weeks from there to release, do the math, at worst they would have delayed 2 weeks or 2 weeks 5 days mate, 1 or 2 weeks would be more realistic; 2-3 months is BS and you know it.

"Going gold" means it PASSED certification, the 2-3 month testing period BEFORE that announcement. That's when the "gold master" is sent out to the manufacturing plants for stamping out the discs.

And it's not BS, given I've gone through the process several times, unlike you.

-> Content lockdown (could call this alpha), no new stuff is added as they go through polish, bug fixing or porting to the various platforms (4-6 months)
-> content complete (could call this the beta I guess)
-> publisher and console certification (2-3 months)
-> GOLD!
-> 2-3 weeks for manufacturing to delivery
-> game is released.

 

[Tanakh]

"Going gold" means it PASSED certification, the 2-3 month testing period BEFORE that announcement. That's when the "gold master" is sent out to the manufacturing plants for stamping out the discs.

And it's not BS, given I've gone through the process several times, unlike you.

-> Content lockdown (could call this alpha), no new stuff is added as they go through polish, bug fixing or porting to the various platforms (4-6 months)
-> content complete (could call this the beta I guess)
-> publisher and console certification (2-3 months)
-> GOLD!
-> 2-3 weeks for manufacturing to delivery
-> game is released.

And you are failing at arithmetics pal, even if you have released stuff (lol, classic fallacy of appeal to authority). I am fully aware what is going gold, it's not exacly rocket science you know?

You are saying "the game would have been delayed 2-3 months due certification if the DLC was to be included on release", I am saying "the game would have been delayed 1-2 weeks because at the release day we know that there was at least one copy of the game with the DLC included being sold that day", because on the 6 of March 2012 there was at least one version of ME 3 with full DLC included being sold, thus we were AT LEAST at the part I bolded of your post (GOLD!), meaning at the very most they would have needed 2-3 weeks from there to release (and I argue that it would have been closer to 1-2 weeks, but that is just an opinion).

I might be missing something here, but if they were at least at "GOLD!" on a version of ME 3 with full DLC on the release day, why the heck would they need the extra 1.5-2.5 months? Anyway, this is nothing personal, i am just failing to see how you can make your numbers fit.

 

[Aircross]

Therefore, I have the right to do what ever I damn well please with my software and piece of pressed acrylic.

This is kind of the point I was making, only articulated a lot better.

If you can only agree to EULA after the purchase, it doesn't produce any legal consequences. It is as if the EULA never even existed. Which means you're free to do what you please.

I swear, having X-ray vision that only works on bullshit must be some rare mutation, otherwise why are EA/Bioware still making money?

It's not a mutation. It's augmentation in my case.

I KNEW those sunglasses weren't just for looking cool!

His vision is augmented.

And so are his arguments.

I'd really love to see EA"s Knight Templar Lawyers take action against people who "modify" the game to unlock the Prothean party member.

 

[boag]

Even IF they had to delay it. There is no reason they couldn't just give us the prothean like Zaeed. (free) Ea games is just milking us hard.

I am actually going to agree with you here, there is more story to this than it was developed at the end.

Although that is to say im not open to any explanation given, but I will be cautious while leaving room for reasonable doubt.

in short order, I only know I know nothing.

If there was a reason they put the character in there but not the rest of the content I would be happy to hear it, but im not going to take anything at face value.

 

[ThriKreen]

I might be missing something here, but if they were at least at "GOLD!" on a version of ME 3 with full DLC on the release day, why the heck would they need the extra 1.5-2.5 months? Anyway, this is nothing personal, i am just failing to see how you can make your numbers fit.

Yes you are missing something. The PC version is published by EA, it would have been easy to test and push out, and some people have stated that was the case for say, the Origin digital download version (just update the archive that is downloaded). It's the consoles that have their own cert period and catch-22 of resetting if new content is added.

And if you are budgeting a lot of money on a world wide, simultaneous release, well...

 

[Tanakh]

Yes you are missing something. The PC version is published by EA, it would have been easy to test and push out, and some people have stated that was the case for say, the Origin digital download version (just update the archive that is downloaded). It's the consoles that have their own cert period and catch-22 of resetting if new content is added.

And if you are budgeting a lot of money on a world wide, simultaneous release, well...

Ohh, we seem to be talking about different beasts then; I was clearly talking about PC (all my examples were PC based), and now it's clear to me you are talking about the console ones.

To wich I reply, yeah, if you would decide to include the DLC on disk the night before release, it would delay the game 2-3 months (not to mention causing a giant mess); but if Bioware wanted from ashes in the disk, it would be before content certification, before lockdown indeed, and this would have delayed the game at the very most 1 month.

Anyway, this discussion of ours is kinda moot because we are dealing with too many hipotetic situations and with the idea that Bioware reason to not include this on disk is that they couldn't, when it was more than they had it planned this way due good economic reasons and misscalculated a bit the PR reaction they would get from fans; still good to find a sensible forum lurker around, happy coding mate.