Mega Man Creator Shakes Fist At Japanese Game Industry

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Freechoice

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hazabaza1 said:
So long as we can keep Atlus and FromSoft, I'm good.
Oooh, and Platinum.
But if From doesn't make Metal Wolf Chaos 2, fuck'em. I don't want to have Diablo on hard mode, I want the president of the United States blowing shit up and talking like a bad 80's hero.

 

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Do you know what else these franchises have in common? They now all suck. They suck BECAUSE they tried to appeal to western sentiments and they lost their spark along the way.
Yup, this is exactly correct. The more they westernize, the worse their games get. Not everything needs to be a story about hypermasculine muscle mountains, and not every game needs to be CoD.

I disagree with Keiji,but FF13 is ANYTHING BUT WESTERN.
It's very western. It's basically Dragon Age 2 without the dialogue wheel, down to the level design and the amount of sense the plot makes.

Except that the battle system is more fun and less annoying since it can't spam waves upon waves upon waves of enemies at you in a back alley.
 

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Because the only 2 nations making vidyagames is Japan and America? What about GTA?, the biggest game series there is get's made in the UK, about 50 miles from where I live in fact. What about Mojang - they're neither side of the 'coin', that Japan and America seem to think represents the world. The whole attitude seems to reek of ancient Japanese xenophobia - they can't target western audience, must work with western developer to appeal to western audience. What about making games that can appeal to anyone!, is it rocket surgery for developers to concentrate on making a fun and challenging game instead of targetting some percieved market, or peer group.

Anyway, Japanese games are too damn wordy, half the time you get 30 minutes of dialogue before you even start the game - that's one major difference, the non-Japanese part of the world, the western bit, well we prefer to play games than read a bloody book one letter at a time. Any cool-ness in a Japanese game is instantly diluted by all the rigmarole it puts the player through.

Thing is, games that should do well in Japan probably won't - this shouldn't be about selling us Japanese games, because I can't name one single Japanese game that I like, or want, or am looking forward to. I love Pikmin, Pikmin2 as well, and the Gamecube version of Harvest Moon - but nowadays if it doesn't involve rediculous characters with rediculous hair and rediculous impractical armour, well it doesn't get a look in. Japan needs to wind it's neck in, and look back at the games that us western folk actually liked. It's unlikely that we'll get Pikmin3 for the Wii, not even sure about the next gen - so are we really expected to just accept and buy random Japanese games with the assumption that they are any good!

Also, what 'western' games have done well in Japan?
We are expected to appreciate Japanese games, but where is the appreciation for western games?
These people have nothing but disdain for half the planet, who really cares if we buy into their cartoon porn and fake-plastic-culture.
 

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zefiris said:
Do you know what else these franchises have in common? They now all suck. They suck BECAUSE they tried to appeal to western sentiments and they lost their spark along the way.
Yup, this is exactly correct. The more they westernize, the worse their games get. Not everything needs to be a story about hypermasculine muscle mountains, and not every game needs to be CoD.

I disagree with Keiji,but FF13 is ANYTHING BUT WESTERN.
It's very western. It's basically Dragon Age 2 without the dialogue wheel, down to the level design and the amount of sense the plot makes.

Except that the battle system is more fun and less annoying since it can't spam waves upon waves upon waves of enemies at you in a back alley.
The story and linearity beg to differ. I see no influence at all.Please list them.Serious.
 

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Wow, I'm sorry, but he couldn't be more wrong. I am one of his long time fans and this is exactly the mindset he shouldn't have. There is nothing more pathetic then willfully allowing yourself to be assimilated because you no longer have confidence to be yourself. Nintendo has proven if you treat your product like a AAA game, you still get the sales of one. They haven't changed their ways or mindset, and Mario games sell fantastic. So what if it's not COD, it doesn't need to be. All a japanese developer as to do to stay 'in the game' is attempt to develop the same product they did in their "glory days", and that's just not what we are seeing.

Resident Evil is now a game/franchise altered forever just to appeal to western gaming ideals, as is Devil may Cry, Ninja Gaiden and sadly Final Fantasy. Do you know what else these franchises have in common? They now all suck. They suck BECAUSE they tried to appeal to western sentiments and they lost their spark along the way. Japan 'Being themselves' is not the problem at all (again, as Nintendo demonstrates). The problem resides in the fact that Nintendo is the only one left putting the same level of care into it as they did 20 years ago.
It's not really about assimilation that he's talking about, first of all. He's just saying that they need to work with other companies outside of Japan, not because they want to 'westernize' their games necessarily, but because if they keep doing things on their own, they'll start repeating themselves.

I admit, there's no reason for them to turn out 'CODs', in fact that wouldn't help them at all, mostly because COD is going to start losing its touch eventually as well. It is also coming out with new games that, frankly, are copy and pastes of the previous ones with a bit of touch up.

I think the biggest issue that he is talking about is the fact that, yes games like Mario that have been kept around still sell well, but they are not selling enough for the Japanese developers to stay in the game. People are getting bored of the same thing over and over again, and either they're going to have to come up with something new, or find a new way of making the titles that have been around for so long.

I also think they don't need to 'westernize' their games to make them good. I think they just need to find a new formula for the games they already have. Japan has produced some of the best games in the world, but they can't live off of that forever, especially in an ever changing gaming world.
 

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Mutual cooperation between different branches of the gaming industry to try and advance the medium? Nah, that'll never work. :p
 

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I would have more sympathy but is the fact western gamers are not playing your game may be a good thing?

I mean, alright we are a huge market, but does that market include a good taste in video games? let me check to what number call of duty we are up to...nope, it doesn't. apparently we will play pretty much anything as long as it has no innovation, is cross platformed with consoles and has allot of "Hoooraaah!" in it.

I don't think japan needs to put in the Hoooraahs for us, Japan games are different. I respect them for that, some of them don't make any sense to me but i'm not part of their culture, at least they are putting some of their culture in it instead of generic hollywood blandness.

but maybe I don't get it because I stopped liking megaman after M3, after that i was like...uh capcom? can you leave the robot masters alone? at least mario is expanding what a platform game can do. hell even kirby made the whole, use your enemy's powers more engaging.

oh well, don't got to be a hater of the blue bomber.
 

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Freechoice said:
But if From doesn't make Metal Wolf Chaos 2, fuck'em. I don't want to have Diablo on hard mode, I want the president of the United States blowing shit up and talking like a bad 80's hero.

That was...

...why haven't I heard of this game!?

OT: Japanese developers do need to listen to their fans across the pond, but I doubt many of the Japanese developers/publishers are going to just going to turn away from their fans and only focus on the west.

Although I really wish Koei would listen just a bit more to their western fans and realise how they're making stupid mistakes with relatively simple fixes.
 

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It gladdens my heart to know Japanese games are going down the toilet, they allowed their own games to stagnate.
 

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Grey Carter said:
Inafune believes that Japanese developers need to swallow their pride and admit there's a problem.
Swallow their pride? I quote John Wayne:

"That'll be the day."
 

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Normally, this is where I would complain that Japan needs to stop making the same goddamned games or repeating the same goddamned mistakes (see: Final Fantasy, Dynasty Warriors, etc.) and try to put in some innovation or some new creativity in their works, but then... uh...

CoD.

I think the thing that really won over people to Japanese games, as Extra Credits pointed out, was story, though. I think that's what a lot of Japanese developers have missed, having focused on graphical updates and overall visual superiority, something that not a lot of people care about now that graphics are basically as great as they can be and now you just have to try to suck at graphics. If they made games with some really unique and interesting stories, I'm sure that the Japanese market would get a nice, revitalizing shot in the arm.

(read: People at Squeenix, STOP WITH THE ATTEMPT AT MAKING FFXIII A GOOD STORY. PLEASE. THE PACING IS ABSOLUTELY DREADFUL.)
 

RJ 17

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In other news, EA purchased Capcom and a strange glitch began occurring in every Mega Man title in which the Blue Bomber places his megabuster to his temple and vaporizes his own face. :p
 

RaikuFA

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Luckly we have companies like Atlus, X-Seed, NISA, Natsume, Team Ninja and AKSYS bridging the gap between US and JP gamers.

Which is the future.

BTW: summoning him as a sword or shooting lazers out of his eyes in Hyperdimension Neptunia MK2 is awesome.