Men: Now a Minority in PC Gaming.
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Except that's not strictly true. Surveys, or any sort of sampling, work better and have more power when they're larger. But you can get perfectly meaningful, useful data out of a small survey, so long as the data hasn't been particularly biased, which seems like a much more likely problem here. The infamous example being George Gallup v Readers Digest.mad825 said:
If our sample is too small, we'll have a massive confidence interval, but depending on what we want to know, that's not so bad. I'd hazard a guess that their confidence interval wouldn't be small enough for the claim that the portion of women has raised 3%, that's sloppy reporting on everyone's part. Hell, if the standard deviation is low, you don't even need a particularly large sample. Hell, my exam today had a significant result from a sample of 30 (p=0.0001 IIRC), due to the incredibly low standard deviation. It's a pretty important distinction for "Have you never done a scientific survey before?".
Unfortunately, all that's been reported here is the point estimates, and not the confidence intervals, and they don't seem to be in the source or the source's source. A quick google search brings up site after site reporting on something they read on another site, and their data, or more of their conclusions, don't seem to be available.
OH MY GOD! I can feel my masculinity fading away with each new word of that article. I reckon I'll grow a vagina if I read it 3 times in a row. WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE TESTICLES?!
I really couldn't care less how many gamers are male or female.
I really couldn't care less how many gamers are male or female.
I do get your point and I'm not saying that these people definitively can't be regarded as gamers, I just feel that there is a significant distinction between someone who uses their free time to play video games, even rarely, and those who do it because they're sitting on the toilet and they've already read the instructions on the back of the shampoo bottleBreakfastMan said:Well... Why included shooters or sports games, then? There are a good many people for whom most of their gaming time is just a match or two of COD once or twice a week (if that), or just playing the new madden when it comes out every year. Those people aren't exactly huge game enthusiasts either.
The only thing it means is you can't use this data and apply it to a typical steam/Origin/GOG user or AAA and indi markets.CrystalViolet said:I do get your point and I'm not saying that these people definitively can't be regarded as gamers, I just feel that there is a significant distinction between someone who uses their free time to play video games, even rarely, and those who do it because they're sitting on the toilet and they've already read the instructions on the back of the shampoo bottleBreakfastMan said:Well... Why included shooters or sports games, then? There are a good many people for whom most of their gaming time is just a match or two of COD once or twice a week (if that), or just playing the new madden when it comes out every year. Those people aren't exactly huge game enthusiasts either.
What counts as a game and what counts is a gamer is a rather silly augment.
My point is contestable, but a silly argument? That's a bit... dismissive and even a bit arrogant. I'm very much a person who casually plays games so it's not like I'm some sort of territorial jerk trying to defend her hobby against the dirty casual invaders. I'm just trying to argue the point that you can't really compare gaming as even a very casual hobby and killing time during a particularly tedious proctology exam. You don't have to agree with me, but my argument isn't silly.direkiller said:
All these surveys seem to be kind of vague in my opinion, I could do with some more detailed figures. Can we please get some solid data about specific games? Can we get a survey focusing on AAA games? How about one just on Indie games? How about one focused on social games? Then at least we can have some real data to sling at each other over the parapets Lumping social games into the PC mix just irritates people and there is already plenty of irritation already. It gets people wondering if maybe the numbers aren't quite what they seem, which just hinders the discussion.
Lumping social games into the PC mix just irritates people and there is already plenty of irritation already. It gets people wondering if maybe the numbers aren't quite what they seem, which just hinders the discussion.
Statistically it is decent, not good, but decent. http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/Soc_participants.shtmlZerosteam said:
I was agreeing with you, just saying you should not get hung up on arguing titles.CrystalViolet said:
I don't trust a study just like that. What was their sample size? Where did they get it from? How many people playing farmville said they were pc gamers? Are there other reports getting similar numbers? Heck, apparently league of legends is considered an mmo. Sorry, but a queue with worldwide players while being in a match with 9 others is NOT mmo. That's just normal multiplayer. Otherwise CS 1.6 used to be an mmo too, and 'normal' multiplayer doesn't even exist.
Imo, if they want to do a proper poll on how many pc gamers are female, they should have a sample size of half a billion at least. And don't do US only. Why? Because the US isn't the end all be all, especially when it comes to gaming. Imo if you want to do actual, proper research you can't stick to just one country. Even if that country is pretty big.
Imo, if they want to do a proper poll on how many pc gamers are female, they should have a sample size of half a billion at least. And don't do US only. Why? Because the US isn't the end all be all, especially when it comes to gaming. Imo if you want to do actual, proper research you can't stick to just one country. Even if that country is pretty big.
So when "SJWs" posts studies like this they are false, cherry picking and serving an agenda, but when GGers post the same studies they are proof that men are actually getting shafted in gaming? Yeah, seems legit.
As other have explained, that's not how sampling works. And it is certainly true that certain parts of the world may have different ratios. Though we don't have global data, surely there are interesting things we can note from this country-specific data?sanquin said:
However, if you want a 'better' study, see http://www.iabuk.net/about/press/archive/more-women-now-play-video-games-than-men
This was a sample of ~4000 british people that came to the conclusion that 52% of gamers are female.
EDIT: if you're interested in SuperData Research's terminology and methodology, see: http://www.superdataresearch.com/terminology/
EDIT 2: fixed first link
This ^Kathinka said:
Or Battlefield, or Endless Legend, or Starcraft II, or Team Fortress 2, or Dota 2 or hell even Dragon Age... OR literally any actual videogame-- so, strike off the apps, bejeweleds, farmvilles and so on.
Search each player base in each game for a day and turn up anything like 50/50.
Actually, let me save you some time by providing the conclusion you'd otherwise spend a day reaching: it's nowhere near 50/50. It is a figure so far away from the right ballpark that the people who live there don't even know where the right ballpark is.