Men of the Escapist: Keeping up appearances in order to reach "perfection"

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Parasondox

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Good evening to all at the Escapist,

This is simply a follow up (or a part 2) to my previous thread about women who felt pressured into reaching a certain 'standard' when it came to appearances growing up throughout life. I found of all the responses very enlightening and interesting and has opened my eyes more into how much stress women can go through. Link is below;

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.842378-Women-of-the-Escapist-Keeping-up-appearances-in-order-to-reach-perfection

So today I want to draw this subject to the men here at the Escapist. Over the past 5-10 years, there has been an increase in cases of men going under the knife to have either something removed or altered to fit a certain way. Even cases of more young teenage men suffering from anorexia and bulimia and a feeling image conscious about themselves growing up. 10-20 years ago, you wouldn't be hearing studies and cases like these in the news media. They may have happened, but it weren't be seen under the news radar.

It's not just young men too might I add. Even those who may be going through a "mid life crisis" (I didn't like using that phrase but it's more universally known), often look for something to capture their youth that may involve an appearance change, eg. botox, Liposuction, tummy tuck, hair products to darken hair colour or sort out the fading hair line, and so forth.

Now, I want to make clear that there is nothing wrong with making yourself feel and look good because we all have our own ways that we can make ourselves feel comfortable without feeling like you are having an out of body experience, attempting to follow the latest trend. This is more on the lines of if men also feel pressure to look good and reach a certain perfection, similar to women.


Does seeing Hollywood men like George Clooney, Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pratt etc, getting model type "beautiful" women, have you, yourself, feeling like you can either, never reach that stage or work overly hard to achieve that (may often reach a stage of obsession)? Even for me when I see certain movies and see how Chris Hemsworth and Henry Cavill get so much praised and of course the noise women make when they have a topless scene, make me think to myself,

"Damn I gotta go to the gym and build my arms and abs and something, to get that that kind of response from the opposite sex"

That comes to my mind and many men feel that same way. I know of course those guys had personal trainers that cost thousands and paid for by the studios but the thought still comes into our heads. So tell me what you think and be as open as you wish because I know at times it's hard for men to open up about stuff like this and no one here will force you nor hold anything against you.

Added Extra: Now, I was going to add something on Metro-sexuality but I actually had no idea what to say about it. I know what it means but I don't know if I should ask if Metro-sexuality plays a major with men keeping up appearances. This is where YOU can come in and add something into this discussion and does it play a part. If it does, how much of a part does it play? More men including are including more vanity into their lives? I have a friend who was all about "mans mans being a man with muscles, beard, and blah blah", and now he is all about looking good in a different way, eg. hair saloons, waxing chest, checking hair in the window/ mirror every 30 secs and so forth. I have zero problems with him doing it. Anyone can do it if they wanted too, if they are happy and comfortable with it. He's a good looking guy (Yeah I'm not afraid to say that another guy is good looking and handsome), before and after the sudden changes. I just don't know if he is doing it 100% for himself or just proving the ex wrong. His ex-girlfriend broke his heart and he wanted a change after that, which every guy does and goes through. Boy break ups can really hurt and affect people.

Thank you for reading. Anyone can feel free to comment and ladies if you know of any male friends or brothers or boyfriends, you may add in their thoughts on the subject and you comment on this also. It's an open topic really.
 

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Hey, I'm totally a handsome devil. Okay, maybe not sporty, I'm not a gym regular, I don't run, nor do I feel like I have to....I cycle a lot in the summer, mostly to get from A to B. Tall, thin, I dress stylishly enough without paying much mind to what I wear, and all.
 

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Well, to be completely honest yes such men do make me feel inadequate. Do I feel pressurised to be like them? Also yes, but I know it's an impossibility given that I don't have either the free time to exercise that much or afford the trainers and dieticians they do.

So whilst it's not really a factor in my every day life, subconsciously I feel enormously horrendous about myself so much so that I don't even consider relationships with women even remotely possible because I'm just not good enough.
 

Barbas

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"Hollywood"? You have a strange view of perfection. If it were attainable by humans, I doubt it would be found there. Self-improvement carries more meaning and is a far worthier pursuit. As more and more people attempt to alter their physical appearance with surgery, their physical appearance becomes less and less significant in the grand scheme of things. Overcoming life's challenges and learning its lessons, however, is absolutely vital to human survival. Success in this endeavor brings wisdom, a very real virtue and a higher honor to attain than any medal that comes to mind. Trends come and go, but those who learn for learning's sake will endure.
 

Queen Michael

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I don't need to get any surgery. You see, I am too sexy for my shirt. I repeat: I am too sexy for my shirt. In fact, I'm so sexy that it hurts. I am also too sexy for places such as Milan, New York and Japan.
 

sanquin

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I used to, but not any more. Now I see hollywood stars not as just people doing their job and being awesome, but as characters for the media. Their looks are of course a major aspect of their character, but even their personalities. I bet many if not most of them have a kind of media personality. So I don't see the people I see on screen, as people to aspire to.

I went for personal improvement instead. Sure, pay attention to outward appearance. But if on the inside you're uncomfortable with yourself (which includes wanting to be like someone else), you'll still be unattractive. That's how I see it at least.
 

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I have psoriasis, perfection is impossible without screwing up my immune system. As such I stopped caring about the "perfect" appearance a long time ago by necessity. I could have the body of Thor and it would still be marred by my "alligator skin"
 

Aramis Night

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We'll thankfully for us men, women have incredibly low standards as far as what they are attracted to, so it shouldn't be a big concern for most men in the first place. If women actually had such standards, they would all be lipstick lesbians. Thankfully for us men, they are less attracted to beautiful aesthetics and more attracted to the concept of a certain type of man. Someone they feel is more of a compliment to the picture of beauty that they themselves are. We are the frame to their picture.
 

Genocidicles

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I've been trying to get in shape for a while, but that's more to do with health reasons than my looks.

Other than that, the only thing I really think I worried about was when I started to lose my hair... and that was less "oh fuck, I'm ugly now!" and more "Oh fuck, I'm getting old!" After shaving my head that problem went away though.

But no, besides that I've never felt pressured. I know the clowns in Hollywood are all fake and full of plastic, so what's the point in stressing out about it?

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I forgot:

There is one thing that annoys me though. Metrosexuality. How it's 'fashionable' for guys to get their body hair waxed and use moisturizer and all that shit that women usually have to suffer with. Although I tend to think of it less like "Oh crap, everyone's getting their chests waxed! I should probably go get mine done." and more "Fuck off you ninnies! I'll die before I sit in a waxing salon!"

Seriously, what guy saw women suffering with all that crap and thought "Hey, that looks good! We should join in too!"
 

MysticSlayer

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I've never really been concerned about appearance. Sometimes I get a little concerned, but that's mostly due to other self-esteem problems I'm having at the time. Still, regardless of having messed up teeth (accident permanently misaligned and stained some of my teeth), glasses, and mild acne (even at 22), I really don't care. I hardly do anything to help me look better, and attempts my family has made generally are met with apathy on my part. One of my brothers is the same way, though, he really has no reason to even try, since he's about as close to perfect as someone of his general fashion style can get.

However, I do have two other brothers that at least occasionally go on long streaks where their looks are a major part of who they are. One of them in particular seems to be incredibly self-conscious about his looks and often spends money on products to help with getting a better body. Not sure if he's like that when I'm not around, but every time I go home for holidays, he always seems to be up to something new. Of course, for both of those brothers, that might have more to do with them being in high school than anything else.
 

Esotera

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I don't really care about appearances, I'm more concerned about staying in reasonable shape and being fit. To give an example I'm annoyed that I can't currently run a half marathon in under 2 hours, but don't care that I have more abdominal fat than someone from Hollywood. Also this sketch seems relevant.

 

Aerosteam

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I'm only 17, so most of my life choices are still to be made I think. That being said, I don't see extremely hot guys and go: "I want to be as extremely hot as that guy when I'm older".

I don't see if it's worth it to stress out on being like those guys to attract girls who probably aren't my type.
 

Doclector

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Honestly, I get that a lot. I look in the mirror, and everything about me is wrong. Every male that people like, famous or otherwise, looks completely different from me, and more depressingly, not just in that they're a lot lighter. Hell, i'm working on that for my health more than anything else. It's all just wrong.

I don't often feel like I can even talk about it. Not in depth. It feels like a lot of people don't think men can have image problems, that we don't feel that pressure. We probably feel it less, but that doesn't mean it isn't there.

Still, I'll be very surprised if I don't come back tomorrow to an inbox full of hate.

Coincidentally enough, one of my friends was doing a project on male body image recently. She took a bunch of pictures of guys with their shirts off, and interviewed them on how they felt about their bodies. I ended up doing it because she only managed to get thin guys to do it before, and if she didn't get what she needed, she might have failed at uni. So, I guess I have some use.
 

Adamantium93

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Yeah, I think there is tremendous pressure put upon men to be good looking and muscular. And, while I don't spend my days sighing at a picture of Chris Hemsworth, I do feel bad about my image when my female friends gush over their favorite celebrities.

I've had issues with losing weight to unhealthy amounts because I get paranoid about any fat anywhere on my body even though I'm below the healthy weight for my height. And don't get me started on going to the gym. It isn't enough to be physically fit, you have to be muscular and strong. Some of us just can't grow muscles. When I work out, I just get solid. The best I can describe it as is "wiry". I can develop a small six pack and some chest/arms definition, but I'll never have the body that it seems every woman wants.

The thing with men, though, is that appearance is only half the battle. In order to attract the other sex, you need to have confidence and be willing to be the aggressor. Men are expected to be the initiators. They are expected to chase and, on occasion, be forceful in their pursuit of women. And, despite what you may think by reading feminist articles and such, women go for that. If you're shy or awkward or even just a nice guy, you'll spend a lot of nights alone. Woman say they want nice guys but never go looking for them. There are a lot of great guys who would make great boyfriends who are just too shy or self conscious to take the initiative.
 

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Honestly to attract women you don't need to get work done normally. Stay healthy, don't be fat, keep your teeth nice and be clean. Oh and for some women you need a motorcycle. Most important thing is just be sure of yourself. Insecure guys do not go over well.
 

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To term the phrase 'fuck it,' I'm really lightly built upperbody-wise and I can't really be arsed to go on some training regime, especially when my jobs provide more than enough exercise to remain healthy.

Between that and my issues with going underweight on occasion any desires for a hunk body are quickly dispelled.

At most my cleaning regime is to keep me feeling comfortable and remain presentable for work ie: Shave every few days and run a comb though my hair when it gets long.
Genocidicles said:
There is one thing that annoys me though. Metrosexuality. How it's 'fashionable' for guys to get their body hair waxed and use moisturizer and all that shit that women usually have to suffer with. Although I tend to think of it less like "Oh crap, everyone's getting their chests waxed! I should probably go get mine done." and more "Fuck off you ninnies! I'll die before I sit in a waxing salon!"
I don't know, trimming off chest hair can really help during the summer months.
 

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I'm not perfect but I'm told I have a sexy small-of-the-back so I'm OK with myself as long as I don't fuck that one up.
 

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Paradox SuXcess said:
Does seeing Hollywood men like George Clooney, Leonardo DiCaprio, Brad Pratt etc, getting model type "beautiful" women, have you, yourself, feeling like you can either, never reach that stage or work overly hard to achieve that (may often reach a stage of obsession)?
Not at all.

I get that a lot of people do, though. I just personally don't.

I've never really bought into that whole idea of girls swooning over the handsome men in films/TV programmes and feeling as if I need to imitate them in order to attract those same girls. It's a fairly logical response for the most part (If girls like X, then if you were X then girls would like you) but it's also kind of silly since there's plenty of women whom are also regarded as being incredibly beautiful that are in films and TV but most guys don't go looking for people who look like that.

I guess I'm lucky in the fact that my metabolism and lifestyle (LOTS of walking... Used to do 10-20 miles a day at least and then I also had a period where I'd go to the gym regularly (Not for my looks, but to build muscle in certain areas to prevent discomfort)) allows me to be in shape and looking good enough where I do get interest from girls because of my body - For example, the comments and looks I get if I don't wear a shirt when I'm out in a town.

The media is very much about trying to force both men and women into fitting into this arbitrary idea of "The perfect look" (Muscular, short hair with stubble for men and incredibly thin with large breasts for women) be it directly through magazines talking about looks or indirectly via the casts that are used in films and TV programmes (For example, the recent drama Musketeers seems to have picked a bunch of models for their casts by the looks of them... Which has turned some people I know off the show because of how shallow it seemed to them)

I know my best friend has some pressure put onto him for his looks, despite being in shape and fairly muscular (More muscular than me but not overly so) - The issues he faced was initially his hair, which he often spent so much time messing with to try and get right (Though, a lot of this was OCD, he needed it to be right otherwise it really bothered him) though the style he chose was one that was popular at the time. These days after becoming more of a metalhead he's under pressure to become larger, fatter etc as there's a stereotypical view that metalheads are big, bulky guys with beer bellies long hair and big beards - Though, he isn't giving into the pressure an is continuing to just do what he personally likes.
 

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Well, most of my interests are far-removed from the common, modern norm and the way I've chosen to present my physical self is after my passion for heavy metal. That alone should tell you what I think about fitting into said norms, Hollywood least of all. I still try to look good given my style, mind, and can be self-conscious about how I appear. The things I don't really like about my actual body is the rather large size of my nose and having freckles. If I was given a choice, I'd tone them down a little, but I don't mind too much, certainly not enough to get truly bothered by it.

As for the whole 'changing your image to pick up chicks' thing, I have no interest on indulging in it, but I respect those who do. Some may disagree, but I think it's a valid reason to style yourself after if it works and you enjoy what it reaps.