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Y'know what saddens me about MRAs?
There are actually ways that would-be activists could attempt to improve the lives of men. There are plenty of problems out there that disproportionately affect males.
- They could volunteer with suicide prevention groups.
- They could raise funds for prostate cancer research.
- They could lobby for reforms in the prison system.
- They could volunteer with groups who assist homeless people.
And that's just straight off the top of my head.
There are things they could do to assist men without detracting from anyone else.
And yet all they seem to know how to do is whine about feminists. On the internet no less.
Well done you mighty giants, you stalwart heroes of men.
There are actually ways that would-be activists could attempt to improve the lives of men. There are plenty of problems out there that disproportionately affect males.
- They could volunteer with suicide prevention groups.
- They could raise funds for prostate cancer research.
- They could lobby for reforms in the prison system.
- They could volunteer with groups who assist homeless people.
And that's just straight off the top of my head.
There are things they could do to assist men without detracting from anyone else.
And yet all they seem to know how to do is whine about feminists. On the internet no less.
Well done you mighty giants, you stalwart heroes of men.
There are so many areas lacking resources, it would be enormously beneficial for men to step up and volunteer to start and fund programs as well. They need them to step up and raise money and volunteer for programs and mentor those in need to help them build better lives for themselves. This is exactly what feminists have done, and people shouldn't expect them to do all of the work, instead we need more stepping up to help solve the problems. Volunteering for a mentoring program such as one like this:Zhukov said:
http://johngrahamshelter.org/blog1/2012/03/05/mentors-to-aid-in-teaching-life-skills-to-homeless-clients/
Make a real difference in peoples lives, and are very much in demand.
I've never seen any feminists say they will get to men's problems "eventually". Now, I've seen some of the worse Radfems say they aren't any, and I've seen lots of other feminists say that men's problems and women's problems are all based on the same sources, and that both will more or less get solved at the same time, but not that men's problems were separate and should be dealt with later.Cecilo said:
Hey? How is that not a privilege? If society is viewing men in a way that makes it less likely to be raped, that's a privilege.KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
Now, being physically stronger might not be (though IIRC, we don't see physically weaker men being raped to the same extent as women in general), though that would imply being able-bodied isn't either.
Brings another dimension to the phrase 'will work for food', eh?
Vulnerable women are exploited for sex for most of the world, but that doesn't mean vulnerable men men are privileged to not be as exploited for sex, while vulnerable children of either gender are exploited for sex in some parts of the world, and vulnerable women are not privileged to be as exploited for manual labour.
Fuck that was wordy.
Vulnerable women are exploited for sex for most of the world, but that doesn't mean vulnerable men men are privileged to not be as exploited for sex, while vulnerable children of either gender are exploited for sex in some parts of the world, and vulnerable women are not privileged to be as exploited for manual labour.
Fuck that was wordy.
Ha I wish that was the case, I still spend way too much time dicking around on the internet and way too much time caring about feminists/gender wars, and edrama and other such things. It's become a problem, I sometimes look at tumblrinaction (a place to make fun of extreme tumblr feminists), when I'm bored and I get sucked back in again. I think it's my ADD. Part of me thinks I can change people's minds by arguing over the internet and I feel a little obligated to try if they're genuinely hateful or whatever.Aelinsaar said:
It's a problem I need to work on. Perhaps I can find chrome extensions that block sites.
I remember seeing some in UK websites but this is the first I foundAzure23 said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/06/we-should-stop-putting-women-in-jail-for-anything/
Also on a different subject there's this:
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Womens-groups-Cancel-law-charging-women-with-rape
While women are often exploited in different ways than men for manual labor, they are still exploited for manual labour as well:Siege_TF said:
Forced labour, human trafficking and slavery
Almost 21 million people are victims of forced labour ? 11.4 million women and girls and 9.5 million men and boys.
Almost 19 million victims are exploited by private individuals or enterprises and over 2 million by the state or rebel groups.
Of those exploited by individuals or enterprises, 4.5 million are victims of forced sexual exploitation.
Forced labour in the private economy generates US$ 150 billion in illegal profits per year.
Domestic work, agriculture, construction, manufacturing and entertainment are among the sectors most concerned.
Migrant workers and indigenous people are particularly vulnerable to forced labour.
http://www.ilo.org/global/topics/forced-labour/lang--en/index.htm
While 11.4 Million women and girls are taken into forced labour and slavery, it is only about 4.5 million who are forced into sex slavery, the rest of the women and girls are used in forced labour in the fields or domestic work. More females are still forced into into slavery than males at present.
How exactly are we defining mainstream feminism? Who are the true Scotsman of the mainstream?Lil devils x said:
[citation needed]Lil devils x said:
Aside from the fact that feminism has been around a lot longer and thus has more accomplishments they are mirror images of each other but with a focus on different gender.Lil devils x said:
How exactly are you defining equality? Because here in the US if you mean legal equality then the only issues left are the draft, the fact that some places don't let women walk around topless but they let men do and that's it. But neither of those things are huge issues in feminism. They're way more focused on gender roles and such. Hell if it was EXCLUSIVELY about equality than they wouldn't have invented the term manspreading. Nor would they have that laughable "ban bossy" campaign (I think that was from feminists, wasn't it?)Lil devils x said:
[citation needed]Lil devils x said:
Wow that's not a biased article at all. /sarcasm.Lil devils x said:
Seriously that's your fucking source? A word of advice if you want to know what MRAs believe ASK SOME FUCKING MRAS, not fucking feminists. This goes with EVERY group. The article cited one thing some MRAs did and then just gave us tons of assurances that most MRAs are misogynists that we had to jsut take his word for. Then admitted there were legit problems facing men but men should man up and deal with them because they have so much privilege (which is a great way of perpetuating gender roles BTW).
And if that's all it takes to convince you:
"Most feminists are awful people misandric people, they talk in fallacies have no evidence to back up most of their claims and they generally suck. Here's a single instance of feminists doing something questionable to support my claim that they're all rotten.
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Womens-groups-Cancel-law-charging-women-with-rape
"
I don't actually believe that but you get my point.
I have spoken to plenty of MRA's that is why the point stands. I agree with the SPLC, that the VAST MAJORITY are completely anti feminist and spread misinformation against women.WhiteNachos said:
"The so-called ?manosphere? is peopled with hundreds of websites, blogs and forums dedicated to savaging feminists in particular and women, very typically American women, in general. Although some of the sites make an attempt at civility and try to back their arguments with facts, they are almost all thick with misogynistic attacks that can be astounding for the guttural hatred they express."
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/misogyny-the-sites
I do not consider the SPLC a " biased" source, since they are only really biased against hate groups. Showing there are exceptions and claiming " these few guys over here are not like that" does not change the actions of the majority.
Did the SPLC conduct a scientific poll? What was their methodology to come to this conclusion that most of them are bad?Lil devils x said:
That is what they do.. They investigate organizations and report their findings in their journal and hold hate organizations legally responsible for their offenses in court. They do this via investigative work and researching those organizations, the same as they have done with the KKK and Neo Nazi organizations. They do not use " polls" they actually investigate, that was the purpose for their existence in the first place.WhiteNachos said:
The SPLC is a non profit and does not accept government funds, or charge its clients legal fees or share in their awarded judgments.
Well that first article was disappointingly non radical despite the sensationalist headline, pretty much all it was saying is that we should transition from a prison industrial complex to a rehabilitation model, and use women inmates as a test case since they make up such a small percentage of the prison population. At least, that's what I interpreted from the line "....is essentially the same case as the case being made for imprisoning fewer men." Which I wholeheartedly support as well. And I really like that they specifically bring up Illinois, which has massive prison overpopulation issues stemming from the fact that the majority of prisoners here are nonviolent drug offenders, men and women, even when marijuana was recently changed to a ticketing (at the officers discretion) offense. Of course what this actually means is that due to institutionalized racism in the CPD, Black and Hispanic men and women will still usually at least be arrested and landed heavy fines that if they can't pay will land them in debtors jail. That second article, yeach. I mean here in America we have ( in the large majority of states) rape legislation worded in such a way that women can be charged with rape (both with foreign objects and with non consented vaginal intercourse) and we don't have a huge rash of rape counter claims. I mean rape convictions are super rare, but we don't see a lot of defenses of "no no, SHE was the one who raped ME." Although I could see culture making a big difference. I honestly have no idea how it is in Israel, but in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Turkey, women are often blamed for being sexually assaulted, so maybe counter claims would be a problem there? Either way, I'm sure female -> male, female, minor, whatever rape does occur there, as it occurs pretty much everywhere else in the world. And the survivors of those assaults, rare as they may be, should have legal framework in place to obtain justice.WhiteNachos said:
Edit: I don't know how representative Paul Elam or Roosh are of the larger MRA movement, but pretty much anything they say could be held up as unequal or sexist. I'm very willing to accept them as the crazy outliers of the movement though. It'd be a huge comfort, considering Roosh is a self described rapist and Elam recently tried to start a website where vengeful exes could post personal info of their ex girlfriends including what they look like/where to find them/ daily routines. It was basically an effort at crowd sourced vigilantism designed to encourage stalking and harm, and the comments were even worse, like "I'll track these women down and rape them" worse. But like I said, if these guys are the crazy outliers, thank fuck for that.
As I've pointed out a number of times in this thread, my MRA group does what good work we can given our means and none of it involves whining about feminists on the internet. If your experience of MRAs is what you see on the internet than it's no surprise that this is your impression. There are things that we might do that may fall under your idea of "detract" from other people, but that's the nature of what happens when you're ideologically opposed to another group or groups. Not much different than me claiming that feminism sucks because all I've ever seen is feminism on Tumblr.Zhukov said:
Funny thing is that I've been here taking questions since this thread started. Turns out I'm not representative of MRA despite my claims because the SPLC said so and I don't sound like I come from AVFM (because I don't.) I've read the SPLC's articles on MRA and what I see is the same thing as what anti-MRAs spout; MRA sucks because here's some internet sites populated by angry men that suck. Granted you could pull down a boatload of feminist sites that pull the same shit but fuck, no need to be fair in all this. I'm happy to talk about MRA and the good things me and my group do/what we believe but that would just get in the way of the hate-fest and spoil the party. WHo wants that?WhiteNachos said:
I wasn't aware that being a part of a group makes someone able to " speak for that group". I am a woman, I do not speak for all women, no more than you speak for all MRA. Being the exception doesn't suddenly change the actions of the majority.Gorrath said:
Me being female, for example, and enjoying action figures, Lego minifigures and hardcore full loot games does not mean that the majority of women do.