Metro 2033 and other PC games which can only be maxed out with hardware from the distant future.

[Griffolion]

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Yeah, I don't know how much or how little that bandwidth cut matters. I would assume that it wouldn't have mattered much (which is basically what you said, if I understand you properly). I haven't built an SLI machine and probably never will. And, looking back, I think I've only built one tower since PCI-E came out. Fucking technology.

Basically if you pit two identical machines against each other in a game or synth benchmark, one running the graphics card in x16 configuration and the other in x8 configuration, the x16 configuration will (obviously) perform better, but only by about 4% over the x8 configuration machine.

So in a sense, bandwidth doesn't matter when you're looking at anything up to dual GPU configs.

When looking at motherboards, you have to avoid ones that have two PCI-E x16 2.0 specification slots, but one of them is actually a x4 slot in disguise. You could still CF or SLI with that, but a x4 slot majorly cripples a card's peformance to the point where you may as well just stick with a single GPU setup in the full fat x16 slot.

 

[psivamp]

-snip-

Yeah, I don't know how much or how little that bandwidth cut matters. I would assume that it wouldn't have mattered much (which is basically what you said, if I understand you properly). I haven't built an SLI machine and probably never will. And, looking back, I think I've only built one tower since PCI-E came out. Fucking technology.

Basically if you pit two identical machines against each other in a game or synth benchmark, one running the graphics card in x16 configuration and the other in x8 configuration, the x16 configuration will (obviously) perform better, but only by about 4% over the x8 configuration machine.

So in a sense, bandwidth doesn't matter when you're looking at anything up to dual GPU configs.

When looking at motherboards, you have to avoid ones that have two PCI-E x16 2.0 specification slots, but one of them is actually a x4 slot in disguise. You could still CF or SLI with that, but a x4 slot majorly cripples a card's peformance to the point where you may as well just stick with a single GPU setup in the full fat x16 slot.

Okay, cool, I'll keep that in mind if I decide to build a desktop again before the tech comes into it's next major generation. I wondered about that while putting together theoretical machines on newegg.

 

[EllEzDee]

I can run Metro 2033 on DX11 with the highest settings (bar one DX11 specific effect that really chews up the frame rate) at a great frame rate

So clearly not full visual settings then, eh?

 

[Griffolion]

-snip-

Yeah, I don't know how much or how little that bandwidth cut matters. I would assume that it wouldn't have mattered much (which is basically what you said, if I understand you properly). I haven't built an SLI machine and probably never will. And, looking back, I think I've only built one tower since PCI-E came out. Fucking technology.

Basically if you pit two identical machines against each other in a game or synth benchmark, one running the graphics card in x16 configuration and the other in x8 configuration, the x16 configuration will (obviously) perform better, but only by about 4% over the x8 configuration machine.

So in a sense, bandwidth doesn't matter when you're looking at anything up to dual GPU configs.

When looking at motherboards, you have to avoid ones that have two PCI-E x16 2.0 specification slots, but one of them is actually a x4 slot in disguise. You could still CF or SLI with that, but a x4 slot majorly cripples a card's peformance to the point where you may as well just stick with a single GPU setup in the full fat x16 slot.

Okay, cool, I'll keep that in mind if I decide to build a desktop again before the tech comes into it's next major generation. I wondered about that while putting together theoretical machines on newegg.

PCI-E 3.0 specifications should be heading onto motherboards this year come to think of it. But to be honest, like USB 3 and SATA 3, it will be massive overkill for what is currently on the market, no GPU will be able to take advantage of it fully.

But yeah, look out for those nasty boards that have a x4 slot masquerading as a x16 slot.

 

[Stoogie]

i run a i7 860 @ 3.5ghz 8gb ram 2000mhz ddr3, 2x 6870s @ 960/1150 in CF, and i run metro 2033 max everything 1920x1080 no vsync at 25-90fps.

 

[Griffolion]

i run a i7 860 @ 3.5ghz 8gb ram 2000mhz ddr3, 2x 6870s @ 960/1150 in CF, and i run metro 2033 max everything 1920x1080 no vsync at 25-90fps.

You could totally run that CPU higher, do you have an after market cooler?

 

[Chickenfeed]

That's odd, I bought Metro 2033 yesterday am I'm currently playing it on very high settings with no problems.

And as far as I know my dekstop isn't some sort of mystical time travelling device either.

... I wish it was...

 

[Geekosaurus]

I didn't actually read the post, I'm just here to show my appreciation for the awesome thread title.

 

[Stoogie]

i run a i7 860 @ 3.5ghz 8gb ram 2000mhz ddr3, 2x 6870s @ 960/1150 in CF, and i run metro 2033 max everything 1920x1080 no vsync at 25-90fps.

You could totally run that CPU higher, do you have an after market cooler?

Nah ive tried for days man, cant get it any higher. it depends on the luck of the batch aswell as where it was forged on the wafer.

but it has a Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus with 2x Coolermaster silent 120mm fans at 7v (15db).

before i updated my mobo bios it was at 1.18v 79C prime 3.6ghz now its 81C 1.18v 3.5ghz, adding 100 mhz makes it jump abouit 9C due to it needing .6 more volts. my case is really good too 'Coolermaster HAF 932 with 8 120mm Xigmatek Green Led Fans @ 7v'. ive used Artic Silver 5 paste and the right amount and the cpu heatsink is seated perfectly. THE CPU ISNT LAPPED. so i cant get anymore MHZ while having it below 80C.

if u have anymore tips then please tell me

EDIT: Btw im using a asus p7p55d evo and using the auto volting bios overclocking feature.

 

[Anti Nudist Cupcake]

I know! I never understood what the damn developers were thinking, it doesn't make sense to make a game that runs on max settings with hardware that doesn't exist.

How... how the hell did the DEVELOPERS play it on full at all when they tested it? Wtf is wrong with them? I just don't get where this trend is coming from.

 

[Griffolion]

i run a i7 860 @ 3.5ghz 8gb ram 2000mhz ddr3, 2x 6870s @ 960/1150 in CF, and i run metro 2033 max everything 1920x1080 no vsync at 25-90fps.

You could totally run that CPU higher, do you have an after market cooler?

Nah ive tried for days man, cant get it any higher. it depends on the luck of the batch aswell as where it was forged on the wafer.

but it has a Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus with 2x Coolermaster silent 120mm fans at 7v (15db).

before i updated my mobo bios it was at 1.18v 79C prime 3.6ghz now its 81C 1.18v 3.5ghz, adding 100 mhz makes it jump abouit 9C due to it needing .6 more volts. my case is really good too 'Coolermaster HAF 932 with 8 120mm Xigmatek Green Led Fans @ 7v'. ive used Artic Silver 5 paste and the right amount and the cpu heatsink is seated perfectly. THE CPU ISNT LAPPED. so i cant get anymore MHZ while having it below 80C.

if u have anymore tips then please tell me

EDIT: Btw im using a asus p7p55d evo and using the auto volting bios overclocking feature.

I have my I5 at 3.75 GHz, prime 95 puts it to about 60 degrees. Using a Titan Fenrir. Forgot what the exact voltages are but they weren't a massive bump from stock. You may have got a bad chip mate which is really unfortunate because that I7 should go higher than mine and stay cooler, especially with that 212!

I use Thermalright Chillfactor III, it's the best performance paste on the market (yes even better than AS5).

You might be best going over to the toms hardware forums and asking for OC advice there. I go under the same alias on that site as here. I use the similar auto volting feature on my Maximus III Formula but it does it very well.

 

[Stoogie]

i run a i7 860 @ 3.5ghz 8gb ram 2000mhz ddr3, 2x 6870s @ 960/1150 in CF, and i run metro 2033 max everything 1920x1080 no vsync at 25-90fps.

You could totally run that CPU higher, do you have an after market cooler?

Nah ive tried for days man, cant get it any higher. it depends on the luck of the batch aswell as where it was forged on the wafer.

but it has a Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus with 2x Coolermaster silent 120mm fans at 7v (15db).

before i updated my mobo bios it was at 1.18v 79C prime 3.6ghz now its 81C 1.18v 3.5ghz, adding 100 mhz makes it jump abouit 9C due to it needing .6 more volts. my case is really good too 'Coolermaster HAF 932 with 8 120mm Xigmatek Green Led Fans @ 7v'. ive used Artic Silver 5 paste and the right amount and the cpu heatsink is seated perfectly. THE CPU ISNT LAPPED. so i cant get anymore MHZ while having it below 80C.

if u have anymore tips then please tell me

EDIT: Btw im using a asus p7p55d evo and using the auto volting bios overclocking feature.

I have my I5 at 3.75 GHz, prime 95 puts it to about 60 degrees. Using a Titan Fenrir. Forgot what the exact voltages are but they weren't a massive bump from stock. You may have got a bad chip mate which is really unfortunate because that I7 should go higher than mine and stay cooler, especially with that 212!

I use Thermalright Chillfactor III, it's the best performance paste on the market (yes even better than AS5).

You might be best going over to the toms hardware forums and asking for OC advice there. I go under the same alias on that site as here. I use the similar auto volting feature on my Maximus III Formula but it does it very well.

It might be a heatsink position problem, cause it does weigh alot and its very hard to put on with very limited space lol(has screws 2 plates and 4 metal bending fan holding things, and the main clip). also i should reflash to the stock bios so i can get the extra 100mhz. whateva the bios revision was .... sigh lol note to self: dont flash the bios up to the latest for no reason, can lower ur clocks. i run all the fans at 7V so my computer is like 15db silent cause i sleep next to it. running them at the proper 12v makes them 2x louder and only lowers the temps by like 4C.

other than all that i guess i could lap it.

 

[Griffolion]

i run a i7 860 @ 3.5ghz 8gb ram 2000mhz ddr3, 2x 6870s @ 960/1150 in CF, and i run metro 2033 max everything 1920x1080 no vsync at 25-90fps.

You could totally run that CPU higher, do you have an after market cooler?

Nah ive tried for days man, cant get it any higher. it depends on the luck of the batch aswell as where it was forged on the wafer.

but it has a Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus with 2x Coolermaster silent 120mm fans at 7v (15db).

before i updated my mobo bios it was at 1.18v 79C prime 3.6ghz now its 81C 1.18v 3.5ghz, adding 100 mhz makes it jump abouit 9C due to it needing .6 more volts. my case is really good too 'Coolermaster HAF 932 with 8 120mm Xigmatek Green Led Fans @ 7v'. ive used Artic Silver 5 paste and the right amount and the cpu heatsink is seated perfectly. THE CPU ISNT LAPPED. so i cant get anymore MHZ while having it below 80C.

if u have anymore tips then please tell me

EDIT: Btw im using a asus p7p55d evo and using the auto volting bios overclocking feature.

I have my I5 at 3.75 GHz, prime 95 puts it to about 60 degrees. Using a Titan Fenrir. Forgot what the exact voltages are but they weren't a massive bump from stock. You may have got a bad chip mate which is really unfortunate because that I7 should go higher than mine and stay cooler, especially with that 212!

I use Thermalright Chillfactor III, it's the best performance paste on the market (yes even better than AS5).

You might be best going over to the toms hardware forums and asking for OC advice there. I go under the same alias on that site as here. I use the similar auto volting feature on my Maximus III Formula but it does it very well.

It might be a heatsink position problem, cause it does weigh alot and its very hard to put on with very limited space lol(has screws 2 plates and 4 metal bending fan holding things, and the main clip). also i should reflash to the stock bios so i can get the extra 100mhz. whateva the bios revision was .... sigh lol note to self: dont flash the bios up to the latest for no reason, can lower ur clocks. i run all the fans at 7V so my computer is like 15db silent cause i sleep next to it. running them at the proper 12v makes them 2x louder and only lowers the temps by like 4C.

other than all that i guess i could lap it.

Lapping honestly won't do a great deal because the thermal paste (when properly applied) is supposed to do what lapping does (even out the contact surface, leaving as few crags and gaps as possible) and if you say you got the paste applied right then it would be wasted effort.

 

[SkinyJim]

It seems like AMD GPU's are having better framerates. Are you running PhysX? Perhaps you could try disabling that.

 

[Griffolion]

It seems like AMD GPU's are having better framerates. Are you running PhysX? Perhaps you could try disabling that.

Physx will drop performance by about 10%, besides, even if the physx calculations are taken off the GPU, they're only ever being put on the CPU so another component somewhere else is getting bombed by it.

 

[SkinyJim]

Physx will drop performance by about 10%, besides, even if the physx calculations are taken off the GPU, they're only ever being put on the CPU so another component somewhere else is getting bombed by it.

Meh just thought it may have been worth a shot. If he's tried everything else, he may as well try that too. If the other users with thier AMD GPU's and thier dual core machines can handle the physics calculations I'm sure his i7 EE can too.

 

[Griffolion]

Physx will drop performance by about 10%, besides, even if the physx calculations are taken off the GPU, they're only ever being put on the CPU so another component somewhere else is getting bombed by it.

Meh just thought it may have been worth a shot. If he's tried everything else, he may as well try that too. If the other users with thier AMD GPU's and thier dual core machines can handle the physics calculations I'm sure his i7 EE can too.

I agree, its baffled me too. His system isn't BSoDing as far as i can tell and everything on the hardware side seems ample and working fine. The only thing i can suggest is wipe the hard drive, reinstall windows from fresh, reinstall all the drivers from fresh to make sure they are not corrupt on install and see how it goes then.

The other thing to do would be to run Core Temp logging the CPU temps and GPU-Z logging the GPU temps in the back ground to see how hot they get. If they pass a certain threshold they'll throttle back to keep cool and thus affect performance, this will be logged.