Microsoft: 360 Is the Industry's Only Bright Spot

[Treblaine]

actually if you read the article, which doesn't post actual numbers just rough estimates. you would actually see the PS3 is still outselling it in Europe.

now you might think i'm crazy for saying that BUT they claimed to have had 7 million 360s sold and a million less PS3, they've sold more PS3s in less time. do the math behind it, the 360 took 3 years to reach the 6 million mark, the PS3 took just over 2. the math does not lie

If you could actually show me those numbers that PS3 sold more than Xbox 360 in the Europe during the Christmas 2008-2009 season then I'd greatly appreciate it, otherwise the article in the original source I provided still stands.

Meanwhile I'll stand by these numbers:

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=&reg1=------&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=39019&end=39859

See how that green line is so much higher above the red line from Mid September 2008 and all through the Christmas season? Yes, the Green line is Xbox 360 and the Red line is PS3 and yes, higher is better.

I believe the recession really hit around mid to late 2008... soooo... I guess this backs up how Xbox 360 is more suited to people who are stricken by this recession. But that's Sony's mistake for making a console that only rich people could afford and was only worked in HD if plugged into their big expensive HDTVs.

 

[Jumplion]

actually if you read the article, which doesn't post actual numbers just rough estimates. you would actually see the PS3 is still outselling it in Europe.

now you might think i'm crazy for saying that BUT they claimed to have had 7 million 360s sold and a million less PS3, they've sold more PS3s in less time. do the math behind it, the 360 took 3 years to reach the 6 million mark, the PS3 took just over 2. the math does not lie

If you could actually show me those numbers that PS3 sold more than Xbox 360 in the Europe during the Christmas 2008-2009 season then I'd greatly appreciate it, otherwise the article in the original source I provided still stands.

Umm...... here?;

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=------&cons2=PS3&reg2=Europe&cons3=X360&reg3=Europe&start=39159&end=39859

You used overall sales at the time, not specifically Europe. With the exception of the very end towards Christams 08, the PS3 has sold mostly consistantly over the 360 in Europe including Christmans 07.

 

[Treblaine]

actually if you read the article, which doesn't post actual numbers just rough estimates. you would actually see the PS3 is still outselling it in Europe.

now you might think i'm crazy for saying that BUT they claimed to have had 7 million 360s sold and a million less PS3, they've sold more PS3s in less time. do the math behind it, the 360 took 3 years to reach the 6 million mark, the PS3 took just over 2. the math does not lie

If you could actually show me those numbers that PS3 sold more than Xbox 360 in the Europe during the Christmas 2008-2009 season then I'd greatly appreciate it, otherwise the article in the original source I provided still stands.

Umm...... here?;

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=------&cons2=PS3&reg2=Europe&cons3=X360&reg3=Europe&start=39159&end=39859

You used overall sales at the time, not specifically Europe. With the exception of the very end towards Christams 08, the PS3 has sold mostly consistantly over the 360 in Europe including Christmans 07.

Well you just proved my very point, that Xbox 360 outsold PS3 in Europe RECENTLY, as in THIS CHRISTMAS and DURING THE RECESSION! Which has been what this whole thread has been about considering the title of this thread: "360 Is the Industry's Only Bright Spot"
Xbox 360 did BETTER than their previous year = growth. While PS3 did worse = floundering in the recession.

To spite PS3 outselling Xbox 360 in Europe in 2007 and the first half of 2008 they still ended up firing the CEO of SCE Europe David Reeves. Interestingly in an interview with Ars Technica before he was forced to step down he said:
"The most important thing for us as a company in the very short term is for us to start making money. This is a pledge that was made last March and is something that we are still very much on target to achieve,"

From
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/01/what-does-scees-david-reeves-want-for-2009-profitability.ars
in Jan 2009

Which implies even if they beat Xbox 360 by that small margin it was for no advantage as even after all this time they aren't making any money. They sure aren't making any off any services as I've had a PS3 since launch and it hasn't offered anything on PSN that is worth diddly squat.

 

[Jumplion]

Condense

Okay. You're getting a bit overboard here, I'm not accusing anything from anyone. But the PS3 has sold mostly consistent above the 360 for the better half of the last two or so years in Europe, and to center around one small portion of it (no matter how big a deal Christmas is, really) is a little silly. Christmas may be a big time for selling, but it hardly marks the entire market. Besides, after Christmas the 360 quickly dropped down below the PS3 again. It hardly did "worse" than the 360 at the time, it was only below it 50,000 units, and regardless it sold well during that time.

It's consistency over a spike in sales, the PS3 has sold consistently above the 360 in Europe since release, with little spikes of 360 green going up every now and again. Christmas is just one part of 364 other days.

 

[lee1287]

xbox wins, death to all else.. i coudln't care less.

 

[Treblaine]

Condense

Okay. You're getting a bit overboard here, I'm not accusing anything from anyone. But the PS3 has sold mostly consistent above the 360 for the better half of the last two or so years in Europe, and to center around one small portion of it (no matter how big a deal Christmas is, really) is a little silly. Christmas may be a big time for selling, but it hardly marks the entire market. Besides, after Christmas the 360 quickly dropped down below the PS3 again. It hardly did "worse" than the 360 at the time, it was only below it 50,000 units, and regardless it sold well during that time.

It's consistency over a spike in sales, the PS3 has sold consistently above the 360 in Europe since release, with little spikes of 360 green going up every now and again. Christmas is just one part of 364 other days.

This is not "a little spike". From MID SEPTEMBER till NOW, in AUGUST! That is literally the last 12 months = a year.

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=------&cons2=PS3&reg2=Europe&cons3=X360&reg3=Europe&start=39460&end=40034

It is also selling more than the same period last year while PS3 is selling less. This is ALL the hallmarks of Xbox 360 being a bright spot in the industry while PS3 being economically poor and as a PS3 owner since launch I know EXACTLY why:
Poor online services
Lack of online content like games, movies or anything to download
Incredibly slow drip feed of exclusives and overall weaker back catalogue of titles
PS3 losing more exclusives every year
Low quality quality ports making up most of the multiplatform games
Lack of connectivity options (HD output only via HDMI, while X360 supports HD output via VGA)
The HIGH retail price (2x an Xbox 360)
The pointlessness of Blu-ray considering the cost of the disks and actual improved quality over DVD.

 

[Jumplion]

This is not "a little spike". From MID SEPTEMBER till NOW, in AUGUST! That is literally the last 12 months = a year.

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=------&cons2=PS3&reg2=Europe&cons3=X360&reg3=Europe&start=39460&end=40034

It's a little spike compared to the other sales it's had and the PS3 had. I'm not saying the PS3 is ahead by leaps and bounds, but it's ahead nontheless. You're yelling about how the PS3 is "VASTLY behind the 360!" when it's only down by a few thousand, hell a few hundered units in the worst of times.

It is also selling more than the same period last year while PS3 is selling less. This is ALL the hallmarks of Xbox 360 being a bright spot in the industry while PS3 being economically poor and as a PS3 owner since launch I know EXACTLY why:

This hardly proves that the 360 automatically is the only bright spot while the PS3 is economically poor. It's just one moment over 12 months, and you're still ignoring the times when the PS3 has sold ahead of the 360, even with the jumps.

Poor online services It's worked fine for me
Lack of online content like games, movies or anything to download I've downloaded plenty of games online, movies I don't care about
Incredibly slow drip feed of exclusives and overall weaker back catalogue of titles I have nearly 20 games for my PS3, the majority being exclusives. Not including PS2 games of course, or PSN downloaded games. I'm fine with my games at least
PS3 losing more exclusives every year Oh please, that phase was like months ago. Name me one other exclusive lost after Tekken 6 (I think that was the one lost).
Low quality quality ports making up most of the multiplatform games Depends on which games you look at, I've had fine porst for me.
Lack of connectivity options (HD output only via HDMI, while X360 supports HD output via VGA) Eh, can't comment on that
The HIGH retail price (2x an Xbox 360) ...if you're looking at the most expensive PS3 of $600. You're cherry picking here, I personally don't htink $400 is that much to pay for, just save an extra 100 bones. Hell, you can find it cheaper than that with some bundles.
The pointlessness of Blu-ray considering the cost of the disks and actual improved quality over DVD. I've heard that Blu-Ray is actually cheaper to make than multiple DVDs now, and Blu-Ray is an improvement no matter what people say

I'm sorry if you got screwed or whatever with your PS3, but I've had good time with mine regardless.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

actually if you read the article, which doesn't post actual numbers just rough estimates. you would actually see the PS3 is still outselling it in Europe.

now you might think i'm crazy for saying that BUT they claimed to have had 7 million 360s sold and a million less PS3, they've sold more PS3s in less time. do the math behind it, the 360 took 3 years to reach the 6 million mark, the PS3 took just over 2. the math does not lie

If you could actually show me those numbers that PS3 sold more than Xbox 360 in the Europe during the Christmas 2008-2009 season then I'd greatly appreciate it, otherwise the article in the original source I provided still stands.

Meanwhile I'll stand by these numbers:

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=&reg1=------&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=39019&end=39859

See how that green line is so much higher above the red line from Mid September 2008 and all through the Christmas season? Yes, the Green line is Xbox 360 and the Red line is PS3 and yes, higher is better.

I believe the recession really hit around mid to late 2008... soooo... I guess this backs up how Xbox 360 is more suited to people who are stricken by this recession. But that's Sony's mistake for making a console that only rich people could afford and was only worked in HD if plugged into their big expensive HDTVs.

actually they sold more only during one isolated period. look at the rest of the time, the PS3 sold more than the 360 rather consistently

so nice you can try to cherry pick your stats, why not look at the whole thing

also 7 million sold in 24 months means you're selling more than 8 million in 36 months

do the math behind it and you'll see that the PS3 sells more, except at one spot in time

 

[Treblaine]

actually they sold more only during one isolated period. look at the rest of the time, the PS3 sold more than the 360 rather consistently

so nice you can try to cherry pick your stats, why not look at the whole thing

also 7 million sold in 24 months means you're selling more than 8 million in 36 months

do the math behind it and you'll see that the PS3 sells more, except at one spot in time

I am not "cherry picking" stats as they are entirely relevant to this thread which is how Xbox 360 is doing AT THE MOMENT as in DURING THE RECESSION.

In fact PS3 only clear outsold Xbox 360 from December 2007 through August 2008

But why don't we look at the big picture like how many PS3 have been sold and then how many Xbox 360s were sold in the same period.

PS3 has sold since it's Nov 2006 launch: 23,161,776
Xbox 360 has sold since Nov 2006: 25,963,618

So removing the year's head start of approximately 5 million Xbox 360s sold, XBox 360 has still done better than PS3. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions and extrapolations of small data-points when if you actually look at all of it you see a clear and significant 12% lead in sales.

I'm sorry if you got screwed or whatever with your PS3, but I've had good time with mine regardless.

You have no idea how much you are being screwed and at the same time how much you are missing out on. You are also pretty delusional dismissing my points with such wilful ignorance of how inferior the PS3 you don't know how much better it could be.

 

[iblis666]

microsoft has allways been full of themselves

 

[Jumplion]

PS3 has sold since it's Nov 2006 launch: 23,161,776
Xbox 360 has sold since Nov 2006: 25,963,618

I'm sorry, but you're comparing them all wrong, your math is inproportionate. You can't compare data with one being since launch, and one not being at launch. Subtracting a random 5 million is pointless, you're better off just starting at it's launch date. I've been over this with you, with both consoles, 156 weeks after their respective launches, the PS3 has sold more.

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii®1=------&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=X360®3=All&weeks=156

You claimed that I was the one cherry picking stats, but it seems you are the one whos picking the cherries.

You have no idea how much you are being screwed and at the same time how much you are missing out on. You are also pretty delusional dismissing my points with such wilful ignorance of how inferior the PS3 you don't know how much better it could be.

Okay, wow, you're frothing at the mouth for no reason whatsoever. I'm sorry if you hate the PS3 so much that you want it to burn, but I am thouroughly satisfied with my PS3. It has all the games I want, it's online service is free and done well enough for my satisfaction, and it has not crashed on me once over the about 3 years I've had it. It's a good console and I never looked back on my purchase.

I may be the #1 self-admited Sony Fanboy of this site, but at least I can say that the 360 is a damn fine console on it's own. Sure, It doesn't have any games I want, most of it's games can be found better and cheaper on the PC, and you have to pay for online which you shouldn't do. To top it off, I can never forgive any manufacuturing (including Sony) for having a failure rate of 33%. But I'm not yelling at people about how "You have no idea how you're being screwed with the 360!!" or "You're delusional for dismissing my points and being ignorant of how the 360 is inferior to everything". I respect it as a console even if I'm not interested in it.

You however are resorting to name calling, profanities, false and twisted numbers, put-downs, poo-slinging, and being a downright fanboy yourself. Hell, not even AceDiamond is this crazy over the PS3 at times, he can at least admit when he's wrong and I can do the same. Calm down, sip some warm milk or something, and learn some yoga or something, you are overreacting to this whole debate.

 

[Snotnarok]

It's arrogant, but they have the bragging rights since they have been doing really well, console has red ring issues, they make a massive warranty to compensate, they have the best network of the consoles (you have to pay for it but it still works with less issues) their system is the most reasonably priced with the competition and you get the most stuff with their pro system bundle. They've been doing a lot of things right with this system unlike the original Xbox where it seemed more people were interested in modding it for other uses (mame arcade).

 

[Pimppeter2]

Wait.... People outside of America have tvs? Since when?

 

[cleverlymadeup]

I am not "cherry picking" stats as they are entirely relevant to this thread which is how Xbox 360 is doing AT THE MOMENT as in DURING THE RECESSION.

In fact PS3 only clear outsold Xbox 360 from December 2007 through August 2008

But why don't we look at the big picture like how many PS3 have been sold and then how many Xbox 360s were sold in the same period.

PS3 has sold since it's Nov 2006 launch: 23,161,776
Xbox 360 has sold since Nov 2006: 25,963,618

So removing the year's head start of approximately 5 million Xbox 360s sold, XBox 360 has still done better than PS3. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions and extrapolations of small data-points when if you actually look at all of it you see a clear and significant 12% lead in sales.

actually picking ONE period IS cherry picking stats, that's the very definition of cherry picking

also just taking a random number off is just bad math and science

 

[hypothetical fact]

They are the bright spot they get the bragging rights, $ony would have done the same.

 

[Xerosch]

Hmm... does this mean gamers slowly get that their hobby has become pretty boring over the years? Maybe this is the moment to walk off the beaten path and get some creativity back into the industry?

 

[Treblaine]

I am not "cherry picking" stats as they are entirely relevant to this thread which is how Xbox 360 is doing AT THE MOMENT as in DURING THE RECESSION.

In fact PS3 only clear outsold Xbox 360 from December 2007 through August 2008

But why don't we look at the big picture like how many PS3 have been sold and then how many Xbox 360s were sold in the same period.

PS3 has sold since it's Nov 2006 launch: 23,161,776
Xbox 360 has sold since Nov 2006: 25,963,618

So removing the year's head start of approximately 5 million Xbox 360s sold, XBox 360 has still done better than PS3. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions and extrapolations of small data-points when if you actually look at all of it you see a clear and significant 12% lead in sales.

actually picking ONE period IS cherry picking stats, that's the very definition of cherry picking

also just taking a random number off is just bad math and science

You really are impossible. I point it out in clear bloody English and you still obfuscate the issue with utter nonsense. Do you not realise how contradictory and farcical you are being? I don't know if it is worse you being stricken with malice or stupidity but either make debating with you an incredible chore as the simplest statements have to be explained in such mind numbing detail.

Cherry picking is when you only pick the results that prove my point true, when I used all and only the relevant data, that is from around the time this recession hit. Try to get this into your skull before you reply again this is about Recent growth as in the Past Year. Just read the title of the title of this flipping thread.

In fact for my last post I was incredibly broad and all inclusive in my assessment, looking at both console sales in the same long period. I did NOT make up those numbers, your accusations are nothing but baseless slander, you know full well I have taken all my data from http://vgchartz.com/

You are a troll. You don't want a real discussion, debate or conclusion, you will just mix in lies with deliberate misinterpretation to do anything to prevent a logical conclusion. I would give a similar reply to Jumplion's reply but it would be a complete waste of time he is quite clearly delusional, concocting fantasies that I have lied at him, sworn at him, while mixing up personal opinion with established fact as well as he's make accusations of fanboyism as if it is an insult even though he readily admits to being one himself.

 

[akmarksman]

Microsoft: Because you suck.And we hate you.

LOL
stolen from the interwebs and re-tooled from the original.


I like Microsoft.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

You really are impossible. I point it out in clear bloody English and you still obfuscate the issue with utter nonsense. Do you not realise how contradictory and farcical you are being? I don't know if it is worse you being stricken with malice or stupidity but either make debating with you an incredible chore as the simplest statements have to be explained in such mind numbing detail.

Cherry picking is when you only pick the results that prove my point true, when I used all and only the relevant data, that is from around the time this recession hit. Try to get this into your skull before you reply again this is about Recent growth as in the Past Year. Just read the title of the title of this flipping thread.

that's EXACTLY what you did, you picked ONE spot out of the whole. you were comparing ONE spot out of of the past several years to show you were right

you failed to look at the whole picture, which would show that you are wrong and your one spot is a normal statistical anomaly

In fact for my last post I was incredibly broad and all inclusive in my assessment, looking at both console sales in the same long period. I did NOT make up those numbers, your accusations are nothing but baseless slander, you know full well I have taken all my data from http://vgchartz.com/

actually you pulled numbers out of your ass and made up a lot of stuff to "prove" your point, yes taking a random amount of sales off isn't a good thing. you just took arbitrary numbers and called them facts and using them as that basis of your arguments

You are a troll. You don't want a real discussion, debate or conclusion, you will just mix in lies with deliberate misinterpretation to do anything to prevent a logical conclusion. I would give a similar reply to Jumplion's reply but it would be a complete waste of time he is quite clearly delusional, concocting fantasies that I have lied at him, sworn at him, while mixing up personal opinion with established fact as well as he's make accusations of fanboyism as if it is an insult even though he readily admits to being one himself.

please Mr Pot don't blame me for any afflictions that you suffer from. just cause i can easily disprove your theories in one or two sentences rather than a large diatribe means you are just filling your sentences with fluff

also i don't have to resort to personally insulting anyone to get my point across and proving myself right. but i guess Mr Pot you aren't so lucky