Microsoft loses lots of money thanks to real "Free MS points" site

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AzrealMaximillion said:
Umm, dude what the hell are you talking about with prepaid credit cards? I've been using those since 16. I'm 20 now... I can go to my local grocery store or super market and grab them right off the shelf. No questions about age. You're probably thinking of the pre-paid cards you get from the banks. Trust me there are prepaids you can just buy.

And PayPal is only bad if you use eBay. That's why I use Amazon.
That must be so wonderful for you... I like in the UK, I'm met with a wall of 'Card holders must be over 18'.

And PayPal is always bad... always [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.231499-PayPal-Freezes-750K-in-MineCraft-Devs-Account?page=1].
 

Solo-Wing

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Shit. If you do the math that was a LOT of codes being used. 70 points = 1$ so is they were codes for 120 it was about $1.60 for each used. Seeing it was 1.2 million they lost, it was about 700000-800000 codes used. JESUS CHIST. That is gonna be a LOT of people banned if Microsoft decides to actually become Judge Death to those who used them.
 

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Kingsnake661 said:
It's not a scam, but a system that is desigined to work in MS's favor.
I can see the headline now. Frontpage news

EXTRA EXTRA! Company found guilty of looking out for own interest. Accused of interest in profit and personal gain.
 

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godofallu said:
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godofallu said:
Microsoft's points system is morally corrupt, and therefor, they have no right to complain when others cheat them in an immoral way.
How so?
1 Microsoft uses MS points in order to lull the consumer into not realizing that they are spending money. By creating this "middleman" currency they are effectively separating the purchase (good part) from the spending (bad part).

2 MS Points create a feeling of need to use. Once you have the points you feel like you need to use them, or may as well use them since you already have them and don't want to waste them. I want this and I already have the points, let's buy!

3 MS Points are only available in set amounts. This allows them to force overspending by setting DLC and other purchases at levels just above the cutoff points. The consumer does the math (sometimes) and comes up with a purchase price. This purchase price seems reasonable so they set out to buy the item. They then must buy more points then they want in order to get the item effectivly raising the items price without the consumer correlating the increase in spending to the product.

4 The points are overpriced, or more specifically the DLC which is bought using the points is overpriced.

In closing I would like to say that MS Points exist for a reason, because studies have shown that people will generally spend more using MS points than with standard dollar transactions. It isn't illegal to take advantage of this fact, or abuse your monopoly. It is immoral however.
Makes you wish the government could just step in and take all their money and distribute it evenly among the population. Doesn't it comrade?
 

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Master Steeds said:
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Yeah, it's going to be really hard for Microsoft to figure out which accounts added 160 points over and over on that day. Prepare your righteous outrage now so you can claim to be shocked when we all find out that their Live accounts, consoles, and credit cards have all been banned forever.

I swear, the people that use these things just don't use common sense. Everything you do on your account is logged.
Couldn't say it better myself
Yup, now is the calm before the sh*tstorm...

I can't wait to see this soon to be mass banning play out...
 

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Oh come on... did they really think they could just get away with exploiting a glitch or whatever to put FREE MONEY on their account?

I don't know if they'd be able to, but I think the punishment would be a ban of the guilty accounts, but also ban any access to any games, movies, or products bought with any Microsoft points from when the first 160 point addition of many was added to the account.
 

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Well, I am not a big fan of Microsoft's business operations, but I do have to say that this is still stealing.

Truthfully I think Microsoft should ban all those accounts permanantly and lock the people off XBL based on personal information and so on.

Of course 1.2 million dollars at 160 points a pop probably represents a lot of users, and Microsoft might be concerned that perma-banning/locking out that many people would wind up costing them too much money due to the loss of their general business.

It's situations like this that make me think that the game industry needs a universal black list for enforcement purposes. When things like this happened, a person not only gets banned from the network on one account, but banned as a person based on information from their credit cards (real name, etc...) on all gaming networks, for life. I think as a deterrant it would solve a lot of problems, and wind up saving more money, time, and trouble than they would lose from the lost business.

See, with some of the behavior that goes on right now, banning people is fairly trivial. The really obnoxious cheaters, thieves, and troublemakers are the kinds of people who are likely to just go and plop down the money for another account/console and pick right up where they left off. $300 is a lot of money in most cases, but if this is how these guys derive enjoyment, it's just part of the cost of doing "business". Besides, when you consider that we're dealing with the mainstream now, there are plenty of people for whom $300 is nothing. People keep talking about the annoying "frat boy" types floating around out there, but understand that kind of low-IQ, privleged, annoying dweeb probably blows that much nightclubbing or simply on weed and booze on a regular basis. Microsoft bans his X-box? That's simply a trip to the store, or a call to daddy for more money away.
 

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MaxPowers666 said:
godofallu said:
Microsoft's points system is morally corrupt, and therefor, they have no right to complain when others cheat them in an immoral way.

I think that's the logic behind most people's opinion. Steam has a lot of money, but if someone stole from steam's store we would all be pissed. The thing is steam doesn't create an overpriced "fake" currency.

And the currency being overpriced is just the tip of the iceberg there. Look into some of the studies on the MS point scams, truly sickeningly effective business right there.
Your so totally right steam just uses overpriced regular currency, I mean that is so much better. Cut out the fucking bullshit and get in check with reality. Do you honestly think its ok to steal from somebody just because they use a fake currency system?

I have no doubt microsoft will be able to find most of the people who used this and will ban all of their accounts. Im sure the guy who posted how to do it will also be hunted down have his ass pounded in.

Levi93 said:
just out of interest, why don't you have a card you can use online? Your account says your about 16 days younger than me and I've had a card for about 2-3 years, and why do you avoid paypal, I admit I don't use it that often but it's still easy and convenient to use, if it wasn't then there wouldn't be millions of people using it.
I personally dont like paypal because they can freeze your account and if they want take your money for absolutely no reason at all. As an accountant iv seen them do it far far to many times to ever trust them.
The way you lay out your arguments is so childish. Start with an opinion, follow it up with a flame, and finish with stating your opinion as the right one. Way to go.

Let me refute your points quickly. A Steam is not overpriced, they are basically always the cheapest price you can get aside from pirating.

B I never gave my opinion on whether or not I supported the code hacks. I simply played devils advocate on why someone might think Microsoft deserves it. You obviously missed that.